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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:30 PM
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Amazing story of Gore at NOLA - - details of how FEMA tried to stop him
This piece is very long, chronicaling the several days it took to get the evacuees out of NOLA. You have to read the whole thing to get how bizarre the FEMA response was...

http://www.algore.org/index.php?option=com_content&task...

From TMP Cafe
by Greg Simon, President FasterCures

On September 3rd and 4th, FasterCures worked with a small dedicated group of people to airlift approximately 270 medical patients and evacuees from the New Orleans airport to hospitals and shelters in Knoxville and Chattanooga, Tennessee. This is the story of how it happened.

On Thursday, September 1<sup>st</sup>, my friend Jill Chozen of San Francisco called to ask if I could put someone in touch with Al Gore. Dr. David Kline, the father in law of Jill’s friend Denise Kline, was stranded in Charity hospital in New Orleans. The situation was dire and becoming worse by the minute – food and water running out, no power, four feet of water surrounding the hospital and alligators eating corpses outside. David is a neurosurgeon and needed to take his patients out of the hospital as soon as possible. David asked Denise to find Al Gore for help because David knew Gore from operating on Gore’s son after a life threatening auto accident nearly 16 years ago.

(snip)

We were now desperate to find a contact on the ground at the New Orleans airport to help triage ambulatory medical patients into these planes. FEMA in Washington was non responsive. We spoke to the aide to one of the deputies at FEMA and was told they did not need or want our help since the hospital evacuation was going fine. We looked at the reports from CNN about the conditions at the field hospital at the airport and discounted that opinion immediately.

(snip)

(On September 4th) Mimi was unmovable. We were not military and that was that. She tried to sound grateful for our intentions but she was not going to have outsiders help. I even offered to GIVE her the planes and the crews and the hospitals and let her run it through her NDMS system but she would have none of it. She asked me at least to delay until noon the next day and I said I would try.

I called Steve and told him to delay the planes. I called Al. It was 2 a.m. in Nashville. He was planning to leave for Dallas at 4 a.m. to meet the plane. I told Tipper what was going on. She said, “Greg, you can’t delay it now. It’s too late, the doctors are flying in here to fly with Al to Dallas.” Al got on the phone and said we could not delay. I tried to scare him. What if something went wrong with a patient on the plane? What if the military did not cooperate on the ground and no patients got on the plane? He refused to budge. Col. LaFon could handle the patients and Al would trust that when they landed they would break through the resistance and succeed.

(snip)

Over the next three hours (from 2a.m. to 5 a.m.) I was called by an array of Majors and Lieutenant Commanders telling me to stop. (“I don’t mean to be rude, sir, but you must not do this. You must stop this now.”) Major Webb from GPMRC (don’t ask), Grant Meade from ESF. Major Lindquist from TRANSCOM (at last!) all telling me they would not cooperate and they did not know how we had gotten permission to land. I never mentioned Gore’s name because no one ever asked me who was paying for the flights or how we had come so far.

Finally at 5 a.m. Major Lindquist said if we landed he would not put any patients on the plane and we should expect no cooperation and there was no place to store the plane so we would have to leave.

(snip)

(On Sunday the 5th, after evacuating 270 people from NOLA) We decided not to return to New Orleans because the medical patients we could take had been helped. (We could not take bedridden patients on stretchers on this plane.) Gore said that on the second trip to New Orleans, the doctors at the airport told him that the evacuation of the first 90 ambulatory patients had been the tipping point in their ability to adequately care for the other bedridden patients. They also noted that the military evacuations did not really pick up steam until after we “motivated” them with our private effort.

Of note:
Throughout the entire operation in Tennessee, EMS operations in Chicago had stayed prepared to handle patients or evacuees. None ever arrived because the military did not want us to use Chicago. The volunteers in Chicago were amazing in their desire to help. Mayor Daly had been rebuffed earlier when he offered a complete mobile hospital unit for the airport and a tent city as well. Sen. Barack Obama called Gore and asked how had Gore managed to land in New Orleans when the Senator had been refused landing rights to help.

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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:38 PM
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1. Excellent! Thanks for the report.
Al Gore, if you read this...please run in 08. We are with you!

Gore/Obama?

Gore/Clark?

Gore/Conyers?

I'd take anyone of those combinations.
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:38 PM
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2. Gore is an experienced politico undaunted by red tape.
And the superman for that hospital. What a hero.:patriot:
Thanks, President Al.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:40 PM
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3. Who's your DADDY!
Gore put the fucking smack down on these clowns.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:41 PM
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4. GORE evacuated Charity hospital?
My god, I remember the postings on Craigslist about them.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:43 PM
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6. That's my president. n/t
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:42 PM
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5. Thanks for posting this.
Lotsa stuff coming out from Congresspeople about FEMA obstructing help - although, of course, they're all Dems, so the Freepers won't believe them.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:45 PM
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7. Must read,
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mirror wall Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:47 PM
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8. Al Gore RULES.
He was a bit of a wuss in 04, but I've forgiven him. This is my all time favorite picture of the man, he's pissed and taking names.



This was from a speech he gave where he passionately decried the misdeeds of Bush and Friends in the runup to the 04 theivery.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:57 PM
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15. amen
I'm sure there's a hell of a speech brewing in his head right now.
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:08 PM
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Don't mess with me(this man processes more info per sec. than a superchip)
His brain has got to be abnormally large like Einstein's. He even resembles a fired up pissed off Einstein here in this pic.
Nice shot.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:34 AM
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61. I just love him
My brother has a friend who goes to MTSU and I would love to go there just so I could attend Gore's class. *sigh* The only other person I'm this passionatley about is John Kerry. I think our country still needs Gore. I wish he would run in 2008.
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:08 PM
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23. dupe
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 08:09 PM by peacebuzzard
:hangover:
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:08 PM
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24. Can I ask where you found that pic?
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mirror wall Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:15 PM
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27. It's archived at Portal of Evil news.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:22 PM
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30. age that pic a couple centuries, and it could pass for a pic of a founder
the background's not right, but that could just as well be a patriot in philadelphia debating the constitution in the 1780s.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:48 PM
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37. I had the same thought
Someone hyperintelligent and dedicated to making this country not only work - but making it a better place and beacon of light to the world. Now we're in the neanderthal Bush dark ages!
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:55 PM
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42. Actually, I don't think it's very flattering.
Just my opinion.
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mirror wall Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:08 PM
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52. Ha, that's exactly what they said on POE.
In fact, I think three people posted it at the same time. It's a really moving photo. All that could have been. His passion, integrity, and not-Bushness. Compared to all that was instead. Sigh.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:30 PM
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34. He was a bit of a wuss in 04??
Did you mean 2000?

He was many things but a wuss in 04.
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mirror wall Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:06 PM
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51. Ah, derp, that's exactly what I meant. '00, not '04. n/t
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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:55 PM
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48. I like ANGRY AL !!!

I think the Democratic party is over-run by political consultants that systematically drain every bit of personality out of Democratic politicians. After Gore lost, he suddenly had a personality again.

I REALLY LIKE this "give em Hell" Al Gore. And when he's criticized for "being crazy" Al should poor it on twice as heavy.

Somehow GW Bush has managed to sluff off political consultants who strip personality from their candidates. Because the dumb-ass ignorant redneck thing comes through loud and clear (and probably quite deliberately).

Here in Indiana, Evan Bayh is widely rumored to be running for President. They'll have to follow him around with nuclear fuel cells to keep him powered. He's an DOUBLE the robot than Al was 2000.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:35 AM
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62. I think I like angry Al too
I find it I'm more passionate and willing to work harder if I'm angry. I'm sure other people are the same way. Al doesn't take any bullshit.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:47 PM
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9. Incredible story - All these agency's blocking help
No wonder so many died - just really sucks - why the blocking? why did they want to let so many people die? This are suppose to be the pro life group.
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Pharlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:54 PM
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40. Stop....Think....The original dichotomy -
instead of planning ahead for the evacuation of poor people, they open the Superdome as a venue of last resort.

The Superdome has a proven rating for a category 3 hurricane. There was a category 5 heading inland. Hmmmm...Sound to anyone like they never expected them to make it as far as they did?

Why were the USS Bataan and FEMA outside New Orleans? Well, what if it were upper middle class and upper class neighborhoods afflicted with the worst Katrina could hurl at their coast?....


I may be completely off base, but sending people to a Cat. 3 Hurricane rated building with a Cat. 5 incoming just doesn't sit right.


The Superdome was built to withstand most catastrophes; the roof was ostensibly estimated to be able to withstand winds with speeds of up to 200 mph, but flood waters could still possibly reach the second level 20 feet from the ground, making the structure an unreliable shelter in severe rain and wind. However, when looking into the origins of this 200 mph wind security in the Superdome, CNN reported that no engineering study has ever been completed on the amount of wind the structure can withstand; the building's engineering study was underway as Hurricane Katrina approached and was put on hold. It was used as an emergency shelter although it was not designed nor tested for the task.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Superdome

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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:49 PM
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10. This is why more people voted for Gore in 2000. Real leadership,
not just photo ops.
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starmaker Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:53 PM
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11. kick and rec
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:54 PM
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12. Am I the only one that can't read it from the site?
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:55 PM
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13. Me, too. Help, please? NT
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:57 PM
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14. Try this link-- the original link said I wasn't authorized to be there
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 07:59 PM by ailsagirl
http://www.algore.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=78

When I tried to sign up for email updates, I got, "This page
cannot be found"

:shrug:

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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:02 PM
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17. Thanks
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:02 PM
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18. You betcha' :=) Gore is THE MAN!!! Our real President!!
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 08:03 PM by ailsagirl
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:10 PM
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25. I can't register, either.
:cry:

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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:16 PM
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28. I'll keep trying and if I have any success, will let you know
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:27 PM
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32. Thanks!
:hi:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:50 PM
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39. Try this link
Go the home page http://www.algore.org/ it is the top story on the page.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:25 PM
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45. incredible and riveting - thank you al gore and everyone
who worked to make this happen (and who contacted gore in the first place)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:30 PM
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35. Me, either.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:50 PM
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38. me neither
says I'm not authorized to view
so much for sharing with friends & neighbors
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:43 PM
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47. this link works
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:09 AM
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58. I posted it on my blog as well as the main site, try these two links
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:00 PM
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16. That's what leadership is
:cry:
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:04 PM
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20. Yes-- we've been DEPRIVED of it for so long, it's quite
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 08:05 PM by ailsagirl
amazing when you see it. Gore in 2008!!!
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:04 PM
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19. People died because of Red Tape and turf wars
Randi Rhodes is correct -- negligent homicide.

And it looks like Al Gore saved some lives -- the last paragraph is very telling.

We decided not to return to New Orleans because the medical patients we could take had been helped. (We could not take bedridden patients on stretchers on this plane.) Gore said that on the second trip to New Orleans, the doctors at the airport told him that the evacuation of the first 90 ambulatory patients had been the tipping point in their ability to adequately care for the other bedridden patients. They also noted that the military evacuations did not really pick up steam until after we “motivated” them with our private effort.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:06 PM
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22. They've got so much BLOOD on their hands, it boggles the mind
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 08:13 PM by ailsagirl
Brings to mind Macbeth's words:

I am in blood
Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o'er

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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:02 PM
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49. THAT IS WHY THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO ACT !!!

In emergencies, the President has to get actively involved and call people and say, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE REGS SAY, GET YOUR ASS MOVING!!!!

This is the type of thing that Clinton would do ALL THE TIME, especially in regard to anti-terrorism. Clinton managed his PRIORITIES and made sure that the beuracracy was in sync with those priorities.

Now the gist here, is that GW and Cheney do this too. But they have DIFFERENT priorities. Their priorities are doling out sweetheart contracts to their pals and exacting institutional revenge on their enemies.

GW Bush COULD HAVE made sure those resources were mobilized. His round of golf in Arizona was more important to him.

If anything, the beauracracy seems to have ACTIVELY tried to stop aid to New Orleans. Not only did they not do SHIT until AFTER the hurricane. They actively kept aid OUT of New Orleans. See, if Bush can't help you, no one will!!!!

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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:06 PM
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21. JesusGodAlmighty what is wrong with these people?
Like the Russians say, "A fish rots from the head." The vacuum of leadership at the top caused a ripple effect of an absurd, tragic failure to respond in a humanitarian crisis.
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:12 PM
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26. Get the word out about this. If we only talk to ourselves it won't help
much. I'm on the e-mail rant right now: MSNBC,FOX, CNN, CBS,ABC.
How about we send the link to Oprah,Imus,Keith,and even Geraldo?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:18 PM
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29. I told my husband that after Gore flew in and did EXACTLY
what any leader who was not morally bankrupt would do...suddenly evacuations started picking up. I'd say he lit a fire under their asses!!! Most definitely!

peace.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:26 PM
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31. Hey it was not just FEMA.
It was also the MILITARY, for goodness sake.
Who is the damn commander-in-chief????
How is it that military evacuation "did not really pick up steam until after they "motivated" them with their private effort???

I drop my brain.

:grr:
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:34 PM
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36. FEMA's name sure was on several accounts -- this will come out
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:29 PM
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33. Good read! n/t
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:54 PM
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41. emailed it to Oprah. n/t
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:27 PM
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46. that would be some compelling episode
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:10 PM
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43. A true patriot.
And Leader. Al Gore. :patriot:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:22 PM
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44. The people are absolutely incapable of telling the truth!
"We don't need your help and won't let you help because the evacuation of the hospital is going just fine." WTF?????????

The evacuation was NOT going fine, because it was not GOING at all.

I don't think this was a turf war. I think it was a deliberate attempt to let people die.
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:04 PM
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50. BTW this is Greg Simon
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 10:10 PM by drummo
Let's not forget about him, either. Great guy.





He was the Chief Domestic Policy Advisor to Vice President Al Gore from 1993 to 1997, specifically on economic, science and technology issues.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:12 PM
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54. Yes he is one of the many heros
why didn't bushie use his "private" plane and copter to get people OUT.

No . . while people were dying the half-human Republicans were putting on a show.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:11 PM
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53. This was an incredible read. nt
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:23 PM
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55. Kick for Gore and all involved in his heroic actions - pls nom up.
This is just an amazing, heartwarming, words-can't-describe it story that more should hear about if they haven't already.

Al Gore & Co - :yourock:
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:39 PM
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56. Kicking it up for President Gore
:kick: :patriot: :kick:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:45 PM
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57. Can someone please explain how in the fuck
states are not allowed to help one another?

What kind of system IS this, George Fuckwit Bush? Huh? Are you just pure evil or what?

Thank God or Goddess for Gore and all the others who told FEMA to fuck off. The more I read about this criminal agency, the angrier I become.

This is just WRONG, people!
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:27 AM
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59. I really don't understand this.
FEMA LIED about evacuating Charity Hospital. Everyone knows they lied. If Gore wouldn't have done it, everyone would have died. Who would have been accountable? Why didn't FEMA want the place evacuated? Did they want everyone to die? WHAT THE FUCK?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:25 PM
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68. Must Be Photo-Op
If it isn't a backdrop for a corporate or military PR campaign, or outright profiteering, they see no purpose in it.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1346
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1354
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1352
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:32 AM
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60. I can not find the words....
Why would FEMA do this? Why would they kill their own people? We always hear how bad Saddam Hussein was to his people, will the same thing for George Bush! I tried to read the whole thing but the page kept saying I needed to login so I did and I still got the error. :shrug:
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:37 AM
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63. God bless Al Gore...
I'm sending to everyone I can think of... This is amazing.

THIS is the man who should be starting his second term!
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:52 AM
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64. thanks for the info, it is symbolic of the incompetence that has befallen
our government, after Clinton & Gore.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:06 AM
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65. Kicking it back up for President Gore
:kick: :patriot: :kick:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:21 AM
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66. It's very consistent: the feds do NOT want anyone aided. Period.
This is beyond monstrous. It also shows how few people in authority are being affected by basic humanity. Very frightening. Not only is this killing thousands, and they obviously don't care about that, but you have to wonder: if the neocons ever DID manage their dream of declaring martial law (doubtless called something like "Operation Safe America"), we are seeing a preview of just how willing the military would be to go along with it. If they are willing to block aid to the dying, why would they hesitate at ANYTHING?
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:08 AM
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67. Kicking it back up for President Gore
:kick: :patriot: :kick:
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