Wow; that's a coincidence...

http://www.fxnetwork.com/shows/originals/oilstorm/main.html

click "synposis" and read

on fox nonetheless...

...no one could see this coming! Mister Dubya and his hand-picked horse-trainer Mister Brown said so!

He didn't train horses.... his job was to make sure the horse show judges were doing their jobs. That's way more responsibility.

sarcasm off

TOO INCOMPETENT TO RUN A HORSE SHOW. BZZZZZT.

It freaked me out, honestly. It was off-the-grid to the ultimate power.

After the hurricane, gas prices slowly rose. The main characters were gas station owners who lost their livelihood when gas prices reached $10.00+ a gallon and people abandoned their automobiles. Suburbs vanished. The video of thousands and thousands of shiny automobiles piling up in cornfields, used as makeshift junkyards, was jarring.

It is, of course, the first thing I thought of when it became apparent that Katrina was making a beeline for New Orleans. I kept thinking, "Oh, shit, that movie!!!"

I doubt FX will air it again anytime soon (it would be too much for people to bear right now, believe me), but maybe it'll show up on DVD.

I watched and it had an impact on me. This "doomsday scenario" worked out much as predicted. Well, some of it, we'll have to wait and see if the repercussions are as dire as the movie's.

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Hurricane Katrina
by - miczun (Sun Aug 28 2005 02:55:07 )
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I was just watching the coverage of Hurricane Katrina and this movie popped into my head. I know the movie is far fetched but it plants a seed a fear in the back of your mind. Lets hope this movie says a movie and not become reality.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - superdolfan13 (Sun Aug 28 2005 06:42:32 )
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If anyone has noticed (or at least it seems so to me), whenever a tropical disturbance is mentioned, oil futures start to rise, even if the storm is nowhere near the Gulf. And the fact that a storm is present is always mentioned in the cause of the rise in oil. So did the people who are responsible for oil prices watch this movie. It never seemed to make a difference in the past.

The timing of Katrina, the track of the storm are all parallel to the movie. Just for my own sake, I'm going to fill up all three vehicles today, Sunday, Aug. 28, while the price is under 2.50/gal. At the time of this writing, the storm is about 28 hours from making landfall in New Orleans.

If this storm comes through as it is supposed to (Cat. 4-5) and gas prices are NOT affected, then I will feel much better, but still aprehensive that a movie made me a little paranoid. Do we need to conserve? Yes. Solution? Get all those SUVs off the road. Give a $10,000 tax credit to anyone that trades their SUV in for a car that gets over 30 mpg. Hey, it's a start...


Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - bob_ross42 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 17:05:11 )
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UPDATED Thu Sep 1 2005 17:06:33
Well, gas here has gone from $2.48 to $2.99 in 72 hours. How is that? I have seen prices in the $5.50-$6.00 range. Just like the movie. I mean they were only a week or two off as far as the hurricane goes. They said Labor Day 2005, it came a week or two before. You wonder if anyone at Fox has stock in the oil companies.


175 mph winds? Yeah, this movie was prophetic.
by - lexolicious (Sun Aug 28 2005 13:04:30 )
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If you read the synopsis on Fx's website, the hurricane they describe hitting New Orleans is a category six. No such category exists, category five is the most powerful. But considering category five STARTS at 145 mph and Katrina is already 175 mph, I would say Katrina is as powerful as the one in Oil Storm, though I haven't watched the movie since it aired two months ago so I can't be sure.

Who wrote that script anyway, Nostradamus?

Re: 175 mph winds? Yeah, this movie was prophetic.
by - slicedbread (Sun Aug 28 2005 13:59:30 )
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Well then, lexolicous, the question shifts from how powerful Katrina is to whether the Oil Storm hurricane was strong enough to do what it did in the movie.

Re: 175 mph winds? Yeah, this movie was prophetic.
by - darkzero (Sun Aug 28 2005 21:23:06 )
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"Who wrote that script anyway, Nostradamus?"

Big Brother.

I am racist - against the human race.

Re: 175 mph winds? Yeah, this movie was prophetic.
by - slicedbread (Mon Aug 29 2005 13:03:15 )
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You know, as many logical fallacies there where in this movie, and how farfetched it was for this to actually affect the oil pipelines, they really are considering tapping the SPR and the storm has damaged some oil rigs and such.

Re: 175 mph winds? Yeah, this movie was prophetic.
by - jeffrey-98 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 08:09:26 )
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does anyone know where I might download the movie "Oil Storm". I saw it a few months back and it was great. I would just like to show it to some friends. Thanks!

J

Re: 175 mph winds? Yeah, this movie was prophetic.
by - vicki_56 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 20:07:33 )
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In the actual movie the hurricane was a Category 4 named Julia. Pretty close!!

MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - tomikajj (Tue Aug 30 2005 17:57:37 )
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ITS August 2005, A Big Ass Hurricane comes up through GULF, A movie 2 months ago SHOWS on TV, DAMN near same situations as movie, & its just the 2nd day.
Somthings not right. BUSH in OFFICE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Be SCARED, PREPARED, & PRAY

Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - lti99 (Wed Aug 31 2005 04:42:45 )
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Blame Bush?? Thats stupid. It's a natural disaster.

Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - Toxictoy (Wed Aug 31 2005 05:30:54 )
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Hello??? Yes it is a natural disaster but the management of the aid and recovery afterwards is a govermental responsibility as well as PREPARING for this type of disaster. If the writers of a FOX movie can think this stuff up why does it seem far fetched that the government wouldn't have known that this is a risk and prepared for this exact eventuality. The president has already released some of the oil reserves - which is exactly what happened in the movie. Gas in many states is periliously close to $3.00 a gallon.

Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - cvbrewer (Wed Aug 31 2005 06:56:01 )
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OMG the movie is coming true, Everything is happening. storm hit New Orleans , gas is going up almost 3.00 gal. This just sux Look out for a depression.

Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - phate5180 (Wed Aug 31 2005 07:38:17 )
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Does anyone know how to get a hold of this damn movie so I can watch it again?? I can't seem to find it anywhere! Was this a once showing only? Not even underground sites seems to have it.

Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - peechee (Wed Aug 31 2005 10:02:09 )
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I doubt we'll see this one on tv for a while. It'll be like 9/11 when broadcasters were afraid to show movies with bombs going off, the twin towers before the disaster, etc. The wound is still too fresh.

Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - bob_ross42 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 17:34:04 )
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This was shown on FX and probably won't be shown again anytime soon whatall with all the deaths. Not too soon anyway. However, if Fox can make a buck on it, anything is possible despite the bad taste.


Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - Obi-Norm (Wed Aug 31 2005 10:24:09 )
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But how about $4?

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes

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Movies don't create psychos. Movies make psychos more creative! - Scream
Norm <[cheers>]

Re: I may not blame Bush but accountability ..hell yes
by - victorspaw 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 16:41:24 )
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I'm sorry but we have been on a cat and mouse chase expending untold monies and lives in Iraq to protect us against a foriegn threat.
All the time these resources could have been being used here at home over countless years to make our citizens safe from natural disasters like this (the Netherlands have spent monies to design systems to safeguard againt a 1 in 10,000 year natural disaster) and technologies to take us away from dependence on foreign oil.

Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - bob_ross42 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 17:12:16 )
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You might want to do a little research before defending Bush

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html

In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.


Robert

Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - llewis-5 4 days ago (Sat Sep 3 2005 21:01:02 )
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This is very interesting, thank you for the site. I guess Michael Moore will have some new material for his new movie based on Oil Prices and the Bush Admin!

Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - dminic 3 days ago (Sun Sep 4 2005 09:11:17 )
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You people really are blinded by your hatred of one man. Do you really believe that this tragedy is ALL his fault? The levy project in New Orleans is 40 years old, Bush has had 5 years. Who says that the federal government is the sole protector of each and every city in the nation. This tragedy can be laid squarely at the feet of local administration. Why is it that the city can continue the pay for Mardi Gras and not the protection of it own people. Let's all remember that PERSONAL responsibility is still a desired trait. If you trully want the government to be responsible for your very well-being and safe keeping, support the Patriot Act and marshal law... Other than that, I want my local government to be qualified and informed. Only they will know what's best for us.

Sorry for the ranting, I'm just tired of the Bush bashing without common sense playing a part...

Re: MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!
by - jeffrey-98 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 08:28:54 )
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Do you know where we could download this movie? I saw it on FX in June. I just wanted to show it to some friends. Thanks!

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - amyersbrat (Wed Aug 31 2005 11:47:51 )
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After the past few days fact seems to following fiction, just how far fetched was this movie? After watching it and the events that have been transpiring in the past several days I wonder how much more life-like that movie is going to become. It is almost scary how things are happening.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - jimmyp-1 (Wed Aug 31 2005 12:42:08 )
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ok here's the deal:

the movie didn't MAGICALLY predict anything, they simply said what would happen if a larger than average storm hit us during a time which is specifically deemed a season for THOSE TYPES OF STORMS in a region which IS KNOWN FOR THOSE STORMS.

That being said, what is happening down there is beyond unfortunate.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - RDESkiD (Wed Aug 31 2005 13:48:15 )
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Check it:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.517.IS:
http://www.theorator.com/bills109/s517.html (mirror)

Also:
http://www.carnicom.com/
http://twm.co.nz/wxwar.html

Sci-fi? Conspiracy theory? Maybe. But why establish a government bureau to reasearch science fiction?

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - jbakaregit (Wed Aug 31 2005 14:16:59 )
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I watched this movie months ago and it is scary that in the movie, a hurricane comes ashore in August and later sends the country into a major crisis. Funny how it is now happening: prices are $3.10/gal where i live in georgia. Someting needs to be done about our dependency on oil or else....

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - shallowmeans (Wed Aug 31 2005 14:28:14 )
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It's funny, i kept hearing about the gas fiasco, then i get home and read some about it, and this movie, even though i only watched about 10 minutes of it, popped into my mind.

I'm in Athens, it's that much here...gas is being rationed and stations are closing down early, too. What sucks is i didn't see this coming at all, and my car has like only a quarter of a tank left, heh...i'm just not gonna be driving at all this next week or so - here's to hoping the pizza/wing places will still deliver.

And yes, this does make a good case for riding bikes/alternate fuel sources/hybrid cars.

Oh no! The dead have risen - and they're voting republican!

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - zenscrotum (Wed Aug 31 2005 15:56:33 )
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The oilstorm has arrived.

Calm the hell down!!!
by - europop2005 (Wed Aug 31 2005 16:06:23 )
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This is a cheap shot to blame bush again it seems...there is too much fear in the news and people need to calm down a little

"Its pronounced Bon-Oh...not Bone-Oh"- Actual quote to a friend of mine

Re: Calm the hell down!!!
by - bob_ross42 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 17:28:08 )
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But you can't deny that the oil companies helped put Bush in office and it is the oil companies that were recording record profits before Katrina and now this and Bush doesn't even exercise his Presidential power to put a cap on prices. NAAAWWWWWWW don't blame Bush!!! Can't forget the latest Energy Bill he signed into law giving the oil companies a 2.4 Billion dollar Tax Break. GET REAL

Re: Calm the hell down!!!
by - robtn72 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 18:16:25 )
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Dear God, people defending this guy make me so infuriated I just don't know....

OBVIOUSLY HE DIDN'T CREATE THIS HURRICANE AND CAN'T BE BLAMED FOR IT HITTING LA/MS/AL, BUT HE'S THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY! WHERE THE HELL IS HE?

Have you even paid attention to the news? Or checked the news sites on the net? Every news outlet, INCLUDING FOXNEWS, has said New Orleans and the surrounding areas are out of control and people are being RAPED, MURDERED, DYING OF THIRST! OF THIRST FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!! IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN THE 21ST CENTURY!!! And THIS "LEADER" is going to do a "fly-over" tomorrow? And land in a few places???? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? AND THIS IS BUSH-BASHING?

This isn't a situation that was NEVER CONSIDERED! You defenders of this administration want to know WHY people who criticize this administration criticize it so vehemently???? Because any IDIOT could figure out that ONE DAY, a storm or other natural disaster like this was going to happen. No one could know when and no one could know exactly where, but THERE IS NO PLAN IN ACTION RIGHT NOW! THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, from CNN's reports to FOXNEWS's reporters are saying that THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP ARE BEING LEFT TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES!!!

WHERE IS THE WORLD? WHERE ARE THE SAUDIS AND THEIR BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS??? WHERE ARE THE EXECUTIVES OF THE OIL COMPANIES HERE IN THE U.S. THAT, INCIDENTALLY, HAVE BEEN POSTING RECORD P-R-O-F-I-T-S AS THE AVERAGE AMERICAN CITIZEN HAS BEEN PAYING MORE AND MORE FOR GAS EVERY MONTH??? SURELY THEY CAN AFFORD TO DONATE AT LEAST SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS EACH, WHAT WITH THE GENEROUS TAX BREAKS ENERGY COMPANIES JUST RECEIVED COURTESY OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION!!!

WHERE IS CONGRESS??? Katrina hit last weekend, passed north into the Ohio Valley Monday, WHEN THE LEVEEs BROKE AND NEW ORLEANS STARTED FLOODING, INCEDENTALLY. It's Thursday and THE WATER IS STILL RISING!!! AND CONGRESS IS GOING TO COME BACK FROM THEIR RECESS/VACATION EARLY TO TRY AND GET SOME MONEY HEADED TOWARDS THOSE WHO NEED IT!!! WELL HOW THOUGHTFUL OF THEM TO END THEIR VACATION EARLY!!! Especially after the "President" ended his MONTH-LONG vacation A WHOLE DAY EARLY (but NOT before going to San Diego to give a speech promoting the war on terror)!!!

If we don't start holding our "leaders" accountable, as they are SUPPOSED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO US (you know...WE, THE PEOPLE?), this country is never going to be the same again!

Where are all the nay-sayers who said, "ah, this movie is TOTAL FICTION! Nothing like the devastation or gas prices shown in OIL STORM would happen over night or even in such a short time frame in the REAL WORLD!" And my particular favorite..."if something like that DID happen, the GOVERNMENT would step in and get it back under control!"

Yeah, the current "GOVERNMENT" is doing a REALLY GOOD JOB in New Orleans right now! I hope those nay-sayers and bush-fans, especially those of you living in the southeast, enjoy paying your $6+ a gallon for gas! Schmucks!

Re: Calm the hell down!!!
by - bob_ross42 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 19:13:34 )
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I include a quote out of this article that I will post the link to about our Loving President.

In Biloxi, Miss., Bush comforted two weeping women on a street where a house had collapsed and towering trees were stripped of their branches. "My son needs clothes," said Bronwynne Bassier, 23, clutching several trash bags. "I don't have anything."

"I understand that," Bush said. He kissed both women on their heads and walked with his arms around them, telling them they could get help from the Salvation Army. "Hang in there," he said.

The BRAIN DEAD President didn't even know a photo op when it presented itself. He really does need someone talking to him on a transmitter (remember the debates) "Mr. President, now would be a good time to reach into your wallet and give the woman the fifty dollar bill we gave you before you left" "Also sir, make sure the camera is on you and the light is on, we only gave you one fifty dollar bill".

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBCGT9Y4DE.html


Re: Calm the hell down!!!
by - bronwynbriley09 3 days ago (Sun Sep 4 2005 12:58:58 )
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THANK YOU, thank you, thank you..... for demonstrating how easy it is for a human being to come to logical conclusions when one forces themself to use both the left and right hemispheres of the brain, as opposed to blindly following a leader who is reactive, not preventative (as well as a president can be), and A LEADER WHO IS ABOUT "MARKETING, NOT LEADERSHIP".

I'll tell you, I voted for Kerry because I was just at a loss. He seemed to be the only hope at the time. I had some hope that our nation could give someone else, ANYONE ELSE, a chance to run this country besides George "Dubya". I was hopeful that those who voted for Bush in the prior election could actually see what a mess he had made, and not continue to blindly trust him. The last time I checked, TRUST had to be EARNED.

I am one of the actors in the Oil Storm movie. I'm sure I'll be hearing from those (in an unpolite way) who support Bush, after they read this comment. But honestly, if they have been paying attention, how can they support his lack of urgency in a situation like this? Was he not so interested because he had nothing to gain from it? Maybe he was just too preoccupied with Iraq to even phathom the idea of "getting his hands dirty" and dealing with thousands of low income families who were starving and dying of thirst in New Orleans. I mean, after all, they were having to survive in their own and other people's human waste..... ew! Can't get THAT dirty, now can we? Gosh no.

The footage of him hugging the people of New Orleans and smiling that half cocked smile of his makes me ill, to say the least. Bush supporters, if you cannot see what is happening based upon FACT, then take notice of something as simple as the WAY he is hugging these poor, desperate people. (The sideways, 2 or 3 pats on the back, hug, as opposed to the "let me see the pain in your eyes" so I can empathize with you, hug.) Not so genuine, if you ask me. But oh, so pretty for publicity's sake. Say cheese!

I'm also from Texas and let me tell you, I'm so ashamed of how he has represented this country and this state, that I am willing to risk any future possibilities of landing acting roles by posting this comment. President Bush is a JOKE and more people need to see that. Like my character in the movie, I also have faith in a higher power. I believe we are all here for a purpose. Obviously, THE PRESIDENT OF A NATION IS ELECTED FOR A PURPOSE. I'll give him this, it has to be extremely difficult to be President of any nation; however, from what I can tell, he is PURPOSEFULLY SELF-SERVING AND NEGLECTING HIS PRESIDENTIAL DUTIES TO THIS NATION. That calls for a simple solution... Ya Fired!

Melody

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - queenbeequilter 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 09:27:04 )
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Does anyone remember the 'date' that was mentioned in this movie? I remember thinking - gotta keep that date in mind....seems to me it was September 2005 something.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - exittoeden817 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 10:43:30 )
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They specified "Labor Day Weekend" in the movie - seemed to recall Sept 2nd being mentioned?

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - blegroux 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 19:53:00 )
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I recall Sept 2 being mentioned as well. I really wish I could see the movie again.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - Go_Go_Gryffindor 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 14:46:32 )
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I wish I could see this movie again as well. I've been wanting more people I know to see it, since I first saw it several months ago. I set my dvr up, hoping they'd rerun it, but they haven't. I went so far as to try looking for it on a file sharing program. I guess no one thought it was important enough to dvr it on their computer, or what ever it is they do to have every episode of Family Guy in there. Any one know how to contact FX? I want to send them an email to request them to rerun it. Hopefully people have already been doing this.

"He grows up and marries you. Is that what you want to hear?"

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - palso4 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 19:04:55 )
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UPDATED Thu Sep 1 2005 19:07:04
I am almost positive the date in the movie was September 5, 2005!!!

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - vmaxer 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 23:08:14 )
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UPDATED Thu Sep 1 2005 23:11:32
LOL - YOUR RIGHT - They were off by a few days! ;)

Not that there is anything funny about what's happening. That movie had great insight. God help the victims!

BTW - Has France or any other countries sent offers of relief yet ???!!!

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - exittoeden817 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 07:05:36 )
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Japan, Australia, Venezuela, and Sri Lanka have pledged financial support and/or personnel. That is all I have seen so far, at least from CNN.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - pippacurran 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 08:39:08 )
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Actually, over 20 countries have pledged assistance in some form or another, including France. Everything from cots, blankets, and water purification (one of France's offers) to Food, and cash assistance.

The problem: the retard in office spent a few days stamping his feet and saying America gives help, doesn't receive it and that "we can take care of ourselves." Certainly this offended more than one nation, yet they are continuing to pledge assistance.

Of course, the Bush administration has done such a fabulous job in this catastrophy... not like there are babies, the elderly, the sick and disabled dying in the street or anything....

This is disgusting me. I hope that this forces the American population to realize that we are rapidly becoming a totalitarian, religious state.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - ZippyZephyr 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 12:25:21 )
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UPDATED Fri Sep 2 2005 12:27:43
Yeah, that's right. Let's blame bush, it's all his fault. Apparently, he should have appointed YOU to coordinate the biggest rescue and disaster relief project in the history of our nation. Please be realistic. This stuff doesn't happen overnight and it will take time - obviously time these people don't have, but time nonetheless. This morning a massive caravan of aid and buses made their way into New Orleans to help those at the Superdome. Think about it and you'll realize that it probably took a day or two just to coordinate that effort alone. This is an unprecedented crisis and even the federal government can't solve it on its own.

So perhaps for a moment we could stop passing judgement in ignorance and actually do something to help. Put your money where your mouth is: www.redcross.org

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - robtn72 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 14:31:16 )
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UPDATED Fri Sep 2 2005 14:39:50
Ever heard the saying, "The buck stops here"? Obviously, Bush can't do it all himself. The beauracracy is too big for one person to run everything. BUT THE ADMINISTRATIONS VIRTUAL SILENCE UNTIL YESTERDAY WAS UNACCEPTABLE! If it was going to take a day, or two, or even three to get everything positioned and moving, then constant updates and briefings should've been made. Any idiot can see that!

Instead, what you HAD, was Micheal Brown (head of FEMA) saying that everything in New Orleans was running smoothly, comparatively speaking; Mike Chertoff rambling on about this and that; the Mayor of N.O. SCREAMING that nothing is being done in his city!

FEMA and Homeland Security have had 4 years to get disaster preparedness in order, and we all KNEW Katrina was coming DAYS before it hit. We all KNEW that it was going to be one of the worst hurricanes to make landfall this century. With all this knowledge, for FEMA and Homeland Security to be so slow in getting the relief ball rolling is CRIMINAL! How long would it take if a SUPRISE TERRORIST ATTACK OCCURRED?

You talk about how it's going to take a day or two to get the relief going. It's Friday, 4:36pm Central Standard Time and FOXNEWS has just reported that SNIPER FIRE IS STILL GOING ON TODAY! They're pinning a group of FIREFIGHTERS AND THEIR FAMILIES in a building! This sniper fire was going on YESTERDAY MORNING AT LEAST! DOES IT TAKE A FEW DAYS FOR ARMED POLICE OR MILITARY HELICOPTERS TO FLY OVER NEW ORLEANS AND ENGAGE THESE SNIPERS? I guess there's NOTHING the Federal Government can do about this, either? At least, not for a few days?

You talk about passing judgement in ignorance and start helping. It would be VERY hard for me to imagine that the majority of those people that are as upset about this as I am, haven't given what they can and still are giving...but AS USUAL WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION, NO ONE IS BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR FAILURE!!! Lt General Honore actually said on TV last night that the Government failed to plan for a contengiency such as this. This sounds AWFULLY familiar, doesn't it? I believe I've heard this before, referring to a failure to plan for an insurgency.

WHEN AND WHERE IS THE BUCK GOING TO STOP? That's all I'm asking!?

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - ZippyZephyr 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 16:58:22 )
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I'm sorry that the lack of press statements caused you pain. But PERHAPS... just perhaps there's more going on than you can see on TV.

As far as the administration's culpability, that will be an argument for another day. No one has enough information about what's been happening behind the scenes to know whether more could have been done faster.

And yes, there's currently millions of people with no homes, no power, etc. There are people in New Orleans still clinging to rooftops and bridges. There are people dying of exposure and thirst. People are going nuts and shooting each other AND those who intend to rescue them. Fires are breaking out all over the city and oil is spilling into the gulf. It's absolutely overwhelming just thinking about all the challenges and things that need IMMEDIATE attention. However, I firmly believe that everyone involved is doing everything they can. And I'm sure it's a great comfort to these people that for all their sacrifice, they'll receive only criticism.

And by the way, before you start assuming that I don't care as much as you, know that two of my friends are still in New Orleans working in an overrun hospital. I of course pray to God for their safety, but I understand that this is a huge, incredibly complicated crisis and it's impossible for it to be solved overnight. All we can do at the moment is to help however we can and trust that those who organize said help will do it effectively.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - bob_ross42 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 19:23:05 )
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Four days after Katrina killed hundreds if not thousands, Republicans joined Democrats in wondering why it was taking so long to relieve the misery of so many people living in squalor without the necessities of life.

"If we can't respond faster than this to an event we saw coming across the Gulf for days, then why do we think we're prepared to respond to a nuclear or biological attack?" asked former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Republican.

And this coming from the former REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep defending this Administration and I hope you fall when it does.


Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - bob_ross42 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 19:18:34 )
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Anybody for an approval ratings poll today. I would bet he is approaching 25% really quick.

The White House is in quick Spin mode blaming the head of FEMA for their failures.


Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - luv3n8 3 days ago (Sun Sep 4 2005 12:10:57 )
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I am simply amazed at the ignorance of people that do have homes and the ability to buy gas and food and water. President Bush did not cause this problem and all the bashing in the world won't change it. Sure the oil industry will profit and sure they helped put Bush in office, but, so what? Everything is political now. The people of New Orleans, black and white, are in trouble. It doesn't matter. As for the people that lived on welfare already, they will continue to do so. Think about it. The government has been taking care of them and will continue to do so. It may just take longer. For one minute, let's think about any family that did have a home with a mortgage, and a car with a payment. Both are now destroyed and neither are paid for. The government can't help that. FEMA may find them a temporary housing but not a permanent situation. Those on welfare don't have a job, but will have a welfare check eventually. Those middle class working families don't have a check now because their places of employment are under water also. So, let's quit talking about those people that the Media insist on showing us day after day and let's think about helping all people. President Bush can not control anything without Congress. Think about that. Also, it is the biggest disaster to hit the United States so we probably weren't prepared. But instead of being so negative, get out and do something to help. Go door to door and ask for help from people that should be thanking God rather than complaining constantly.
Remember, people on the Gulf Coast and in New Orleans need EVERYTHING.
God Bless All OF YOU...
1999 Victim of Floyd in North Carolina

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - bob_ross42 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 17:16:39 )
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We can't forget that King Saud of Saudi Arabia just died and we are in the middle of an unpopular war. What if the new leadership start getting too much pressure to stop doing business with the US. Very possible, very quick. Our economy would be up the creek without the proverbial paddle (gas) to paddle the boat, car, or anything else that runs on patroleum or patroleum bi product.


Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - david-2296 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 16:26:20 )
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Agreed 100%; Do you have any idea how I could purchase the Movie? A lot of my friends didn't watch it, well, maybe only my brother and I did. Just looking for a copy.

Scary s#$t man! Being from the Gulf Coast, my heart is broken seeing all what has happened. What is worse is all of the Damned N%$%$#z (no racial intent implied).

Any way, please let me know if you know how to access a dvd of the flick.

p.s. fill up your tank, stock up on ammo, and get non-perishables. :)

Thanks,
David

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - victorspaw 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 16:31:25 )
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I saw this movie and unfortunately now we know how real the threat is. The premis of this movie was a hurricane knocking out a delivery pipeline in the Gulf. Katrina took it one step further and seems to have put all her chips on the table.
As a country we need to pull our heads out of our asses and see whre our real national threats lie and spend our money and human resources on efforts here at home rather than overseas.

No Doubt!!
by - nymarie99 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 06:42:23 )
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I agree that we need to get our priorities straight. From the moment I saw this movie, I had sucpisions that we might very well see these unfortunate events happen. Well.... they certainly did! I think it's sad that so many people are whining about gas prices going up. We need to start getting more creative and start being less gluttenous. I agree it's a shock to have to pay more at the pump, but the real issue is that we've become a spoiled, rich nation that is not interested in conserving and becoming less reliant on this NON-renewable resource. There are other options! In Europe, they pay $6.50 a gallon and take the bus, ride a bike and walk. Come on America, get off your fat, lazy, SUV-driving, McDonald's eatin' ass and become resourceful!

With all that said, I send my thoughts and prayers to those poor souls that are suffering what it must be like to really struggle - not for gas, but survival!

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - mjrash 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 18:55:57 )
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IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIt's Here!!

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - mkkingwell 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 22:59:54 )
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I Need a copy of this film.. Please contact me at regu1atormountup@gmail.com

Hurricane Katrina - Oil Storm - the real problem
by - vmaxer 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 23:01:21 )
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UPDATED Thu Sep 1 2005 23:30:26
This movie came to mind as soon as I saw Katrina hit a category 5 covering the gulf and hitting New Orleans - the predictions the movie made were on the money (sort of speak). That movie also made predictions of terrorist hits etc.. to bring the fuel prices as high as they are predicted now. Over speculism and price gouging is what we see now.

Federal regulation of the fuel industry in America (in my mind) is needed to secure our economy. Many Americans blame the increases in price of imported oil to be the big factor - although it is somewhat true, the biggest factor is the way this country's corporations analyse profit margin. That is that profits are determined by a percentage of the price of raw material and increased by percentage through each distributor until it reaches the customer (most local gas stations, however, do not do this - they base their profit off a flat rate. Ie: 5 cents/gallon no matter the price.) The percentage base profits through refineries and distributers make the price go up exponentially. Fuel is still a free market enterprise in America.

There is no REAL competition in the fuel industry since ALL the fuel comes from the same raw fuel suppliers and go through the same refineries. It is therefore a monopoly - protected by lobbyist companies making huge profit margins.

I hope the government steps in (a "pipe" dream) to govern how the fuel industry defines prices. Profits need to be flat rate through out the industry.

BTW - I'm a republican and a huge Bush supporter. Probably not the point of view you'd expect from a republican - huh :((

Re: Hurricane Katrina - Oil Storm - the real problem
by - undyinggodagain 6 days ago (Thu Sep 1 2005 23:43:20 )
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UPDATED Thu Sep 1 2005 23:46:43
All I know is that 70 CENTS IN 4 DAYS IS A f&^#ING RETARDED THING TO HAPPEN IN A COUNTRY THAT CLAIMS TO BE THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST IN THE WORLD(REMEMBER 4 MONTHS AGO WHEN IT WAS TOGGLEING ON TWO DOLLARS?). WHERE IS THE TRUTH????? SOMEONE IS LYING ABOUT THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THIS!!!! AND FOR GOD SAKES IF WE CAN SEND TROOPS TO INDONESIA TO HELP REBUILD AND 33 BILLION DOLLARS IN DONATIONS AND AID WITHIN DAYS WHY CAN'T WE DO IT WHEN THE f@##ING DISASTER IS HERE????????



"BUNCH'A DAMNED JERKS IF YA ASK ME!"

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - nebraskastormchaser 6 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 00:15:10 )
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It's almost creepy to think that when this movie came out, you put it in the back of your mind thinking, "I doubt this will happen to us."

Well, guess what? Right before Labor Day weekend 2005, here it is.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - und3rgr0undpo3t 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 16:42:14 )
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I never thought that this was ridiculous. I am from Mississippi, and I have a lot of family that "lived" in New Orleans. The gulf coast of MIssissippi and Louisiana had been warned and the national government had been warned for decades about something like this happening. And for those of you who are asking is "Oil Storm" happening. Well here in Mississippi and Louisiana it is. The guy up there that said that 70 dollars per barrel were just like the "mockumentery" Oil Storm. It's very weird but that guy was right. It is happening like it did in that show. It started out at 70$ per barrel and went up to 153$ a barrel, if I am not mistaken, and that is in the neighborhood of 8.50$ a gallon. I don't expect gas to hit 8.50 a gallon, but here in Mississippi today it was 3.59$ in some parts, and in some parts of Georgia, it was 5.87$ - 6.-15$ a gallon. It's unreal, but I expected stuff like this to happen. Back to "Oil Storm". The name of the hurricane in Oil Storm was Katrina, and was a CAT4 hurricane. The weird thing is, is that this CAT5 Hurricane Katrina, was only supposed to reach CAT4 level. Think about it? It's a little to coincidental. I don't know. I also read on cnn website that FEMA had did a mock incident preparedness bull whatever to prepare for something like this. Well that was two years ago. Last year they were preparing, this year implementing. What do you expect everyone to think? Did they really know? That's for them to know and us to always wonder about. Feel free to contact me at my email address: und3rgr0undpo3t@yahoo.com. I am still without power at my house, but I do have computer access at work. If you email me, I will write you back, just let me know where you got my email.


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Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - bill_shenk 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 17:09:54 )
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Saw the movie. Thought about it when news of the hurricane first started.
As someone else put it, They did a movie about a storm in an area that is known for such storms. How can anyone even think it is related to the movie, or that there is some type of connection. I mean really, the movie was 3 months ago. Do you think they looked into the crystal ball, or maybe they knew by the phase of the moon and the wind speed that evening? Gimme a break.

Blaming Bush? What would you do? What could he do up until this point?
What crap.
The people in NO knew it was coming.
Some left. Many didnt. I have no pity for someone who doesnt have the regard for the safety of themselves and their family to get the hell out of the way from a category 5 hurricane.
The sheep going to the SuperDoom were told to take food and drink with them. Many probably thought they would be given food, just like they get a welfare check every month. Maybe this will motivate them to get jobs of their own, since they see they cant depend on the government for everything.
If they would have followed directions the first time, they would have left New Orleans. If they would have followed directions the second time, they would have had enough to eat and drink.
The people at the convention center were not where they were supposed to be. Had they been at the SuperDoom rather than the convention center, they would have been seen and well on the way to a rescue.
SUVs arent the problem. If everyone with an Expedition traded them in for Geo Metros tonight, gas wouldnt decrease any. The market is driven by profit. Simple math shows that they get more profit from the same invested cost out of people driving 20 mpg SUVs, than people driving 45 mpg Econoboxes.
The price of gas would go even higher. If everyone is driving a Civic, that will be less gas bought, thus lowering the profits for everyone from the guy behind the register, up to the CEOs of the oil companies. This is unacceptable to business. Thus, in reaction to the reduced profits, the prices would be raised by the oil companies to make up for the lost volume of sale.

I dont agree with Bush's Politics, but you liberal tree huggers give me the *beep*

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - ZippyZephyr 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 18:18:34 )
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Haha... you apparently didn't pay much attention in economics. Price is not profit-driven but market-driven. As you saw this week: as demand increased, prices increased. The reverse is also true that prices will go down as demand decreases. Different industries have different dynamics, but as demand decreases companies have to compete with each other to get our business, leading to lower prices. Anyway, this is neither here nor there. No one is going to trade in their SUV tomorrow.

As far as your callous attitude towards those in need, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - bob_ross42 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 19:36:14 )
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If you believe this *beep* that you just posted, you are more retarded than the Brain Dead President. There does not have to be a reason for the Oil Companies to go up in price at the pumps. All they have to have is the Carte Blanche privileges that this administration has given them. 2.4 BILLION Dollar Tax Break via the Energy Bill just passed. READ FOR GOD'S SAKE

They put him in office and he is paying them back now by having a hands off approach.

We have New Orleans people moving into our neighborhood and I can't do enough so don't even go there and call me calloused.

Bush ran in 2000 as the Uniter and not the Divider. They worry about a civil war in Iraq. They ought to worry about a civil war here. The Class war. If the people in New Orleans would have been white instead of black, they would have convened a special session of Congress and Bush would have interrupted his 5 week vacation sooner. He came back on a Sunday to pass legislation for Terri Shiavo but couldn't come back to save thousands. WHAT A HIPPOCRIT

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - SCBrandy79 5 days ago (Fri Sep 2 2005 20:55:52 )
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This website (http://norwegianity.com/index.php?id=2294) mentioned to watch for the movie to be playing again in the next few days. I guess check the TV guide and see how reliable that is??

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - ZippyZephyr 4 days ago (Sat Sep 3 2005 07:32:53 )
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UPDATED Sat Sep 3 2005 10:08:40
yeah, i wasn't talking to you about being callous, i was talking to bill_shenk - the guy who basically said about the people in new orleans that it's their own damn fault.

and as far as the gas stuff, it was a hypothetical situation posed by aformentioned callous person and yes, i'm sorry, even the oil industry is governed by supply/demand. the problems are 1. there is NEVER going to be a large drop in demand, people drive how much they want to drive and pay what they have to - what economists call inelastic demand. price doesn't largely affect people's demand for gas. problem #2: OPEC controls supply as a monopoly - something that would be illegal if it were an American company - unfortunately we have no jurisdiction to prosecute an international cartel. and what you mentioned adds to the problem, but is by no means the sole issue. anyway, i hope prices will come back down once the infrastructure down south is restored. but who knows when that will happen.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - ZippyZephyr 4 days ago (Sat Sep 3 2005 08:14:08 )
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UPDATED Sat Sep 3 2005 08:15:24
On FoxNews.com yesterday:

"Crude oil prices fell by $2 a barrel on Friday as Europe prepared to tap up to two million barrels a day of emergency reserves to help ease a fuel crisis threatening the United States."

Supply goes up, price comes down. See?

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - bob_ross42 4 days ago (Sat Sep 3 2005 11:40:37 )
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I have noticed that it is almost impossible to find out who is responding to who on these threads. Actually, the President has Executive Authority to FREEZE Gas Prices and to order RATIONING. That would keep the prices in check and the consumption in check. One without the other won't work. If you freeze the prices, people would over consume filling up their tanks, er SUV's, cars, boats and any containers they could lay their hands on. Rationing without price freezes still lets the Oil companies have Carte Blanche when it comes to charging for their product. This price freeze/rationing worked very well in WWII and so it could work again. Yes, we have a different society than we did then. Things are more spread out but there has to be some number (gallons per week per family) that will work that will be feasible. Farming would require a little more as the combines and other farming equiptment would require more but for personal consumption, I would recommend 20 gallons a week. If you are finding that that is not enough, sell the damned SUVs and buy something that conserves more and gets better gas mileage. God forbid we should roll down our windows and turn off the AC. That would give our cars better mileage. We might have a bit more of a body odor problem but hell, isn't that what antiperspirants are for anyway?

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - Mad-i- 4 days ago (Sat Sep 3 2005 23:39:23 )
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Actually on myth busters a little while ago, there was a piece about how rolling down the windows is just as inefficient as using AC because of the drag it creates.

Bill Shenk - That was a horrible and ignorant comment. I can't believe you blame the people of NO for their misfortune. How many of them do you think don't have cars? It's not their fault if the buses or trains aren't utilized or won't take them out.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - vannillawaif 4 days ago (Sat Sep 3 2005 09:12:52 )
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Be kind: keep your ignorant words unspoken

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - trevor_k 2 days ago (Mon Sep 5 2005 15:13:40 )
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Too many people think reality is based on their *opinions* rather than what
is really happening.

I've been monitoring what the super-rich elites have been up to for 20 years now, and I can't find *ANY* reports regarding what they are up to that are good. In fact, *everything* they do appears to be criminally evil in pretty much *every* example.

The super-rich rob us to death, and now they want genocide in North America...not just Africa or Bosnia...and the population here is too far gone to do anything about it.

We're a bunch of evil *MONEY LOVERS* and even the poor tolerate mass greed and all it entails. FEMA was out there *INSTIGATING* to increase the severity of the atrocity, so that you can have a great depression and national draft next year. The amount of evil going on is unbelievable, but people seem to think it can be *PRETENDED* away.

"Just *PRETEND* hard enough and we'll all be safe"

And *please* scrap the "hee hee, the guy is a kook" behavior. This thing could descend into a full fledged holocaust if we're not careful...and judging by the selfish and dishonest character most people have adopted now adays...I'm not sure there are enough people with the backbone to turn this around.

Alex Jones is a bit of a loudmouth, and scares the shallow sheeple of America and their Disneyland mentalities, but he's documenting what's going on.
infowars.com There are many more sites if you look...

BUT, if you like being fed the lies...tune into CNN or FOX. They dish out great cattle feed. Just don't say the "H" word....HAMBURGER. Bush, Cheney and their Royal masters "care" about all of you. They really must! They're billionaires and want you drugged, vaccined and making 50 cents an hour...but they "Care".

Total evil is breaking loose, but nobody is stopping it because it's more comfortable to live in *DENIAL*. Giggle, and scream your pre-programmed curses about lefties, tree huggers or conspiracy theorists and make sure you avoid the truth. The next victim could be you, but I'm sure it won't happen if you *pretend* hard enough, and cling to stupid myths.

God help us all.
tkra

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - ZippyZephyr 2 days ago (Mon Sep 5 2005 17:18:19 )
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What exactly do you mean a "full-fledged holocaust"? I'm afraid I don't follow. It seems to me that people are being evacuated to relief centers, not gas chambers. It sounds like you actually believe that Katrina was called forth from the pockets of the evil, greedy rich people.

I'm afraid you do come off like quite a kook. Perhaps using the word "evil" a few less times would lend a bit of credibility to your future rants. Just a suggestion.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - davzee102 22 hours ago (Wed Sep 7 2005 02:30:15 )
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What exactly do you mean a "full-fledged holocaust"? I'm afraid I don't follow.

Everyone who cares about the present and more importantly, the future, I urge you to check out this web site: www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net for a more chilling
look at the future of the "American Dream". Follow the links to the man's mainstream and credible sources. I haven't had a good night's sleep in over a week now, and I doubt I ever will again. Hurricane Katrina and the aftermath is just a taste of what's still to come. Oil Storm had some elements right, but overall, they downplayed the reality a bit... there won't be a happy ending when the REAL storm hits. Bush still needs to reinstate the draft, so he can begin the next phase of the resource war (Iran). And the anniversary of 9-11 is just around the corner, a made to order opportunity, if you ask me. Think Sept 11, 2001 could happen without our governments complicity? Think again! www.fromthewilderness.com Follow the links! I thought it was farfetched too! But now? I'm not so sure.The war on terrorism will end when there is no more oil left to fight over, or our oil dependent ECONOMY has completely and irreversibly collapsed.And billions of people have died. And there's your holocaust. Peak Oil is real and it's upon us. The clues are everywhere. And I haven't even mentioned global warming. For all of you naysayers, think about this;
Hurricane Andrew and Hurricane Katrina hit land on the same date. Hurricane Andrew was the first named storm of that years season, Katrina is the 11th....think about it.

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - mgurgun 16 hours ago (Wed Sep 7 2005 08:57:57 )
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trever-k : i completly agree, i cant agree more even.
But, alas, too many cant understand.
Thats why their plans will be working and we will never have the change to change it.
Isnt everything predetermined. Not in a spiritual way but in an inner circle way.
What they are doing is making us think the way they want us to think.
Movies are their best tools to manupulate the minds of the ones who dont/cant understand what you mean by the "H" word.
Isnt it a big coincidance that movies are becoming better and better at "guessing" what will happen in the future.

see the American Idiot music video in which there is a faded US flag at the background and the singer is walking in green swamp water. coincidance? lol

Re: Hurricane Katrina
by - ZippyZephyr 11 hours ago (Wed Sep 7 2005 13:07:56 )
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Right... off to a thread that isn't infested with weirdos.