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dancingme

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Thu Sep-08-05 08:59 AM
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Latest Freeper excuse

Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 09:00 AM by dancingme

I got this from my Rep brother who regularly reads Lucianne.com for his talking points.

It was the Louisiana state Homeland Security department that refused to allow the Red Cross to deliver food and water and medicine, not the federal Homeland Security. The state Homeland Security department was in charge.

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SammyWinstonJack

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:01 AM
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1. Oh boy!

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MemphisTiger

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:02 AM
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2. They will keep repeating this crap until every

moran in America believes it. Look at Rush's talking points, if he repeats them enough, people will believe it.

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dancingme

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:03 AM
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6. Anything above level 3 hurricane

is under federal control. That's what I told him.

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Dogmudgeon

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:02 AM
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3. Nope.

Federal Homeland Security was in charge.

The moment Bush signed that executive order of a State of Emergency, HE had the power. It was all Federal from the early morning hours of August 27th onward.

Anything Louisiana did or did not do was strictly because the Bush Administration had failed in their responsibilities -- like issuing orders and failing to issue counter-orders.

There is NO WAY the Bush Administration can disclaim responsibility for this one.

--p!

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jhain

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:03 AM
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4. here you go:

http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

I printed this out - think it was on Saturday - and I am carrying it with me whereever I go- has silenced quite a few freeps.

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dancingme

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:06 AM
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7. That's what Lucianne is using

it says "The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city. "

So that is their reason to blame the state authorities. They claim it proves that the federal depart of Homeland Security did not prevent the Red Cross from helping. The state did it.

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EnfantTerrible

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:39 AM
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21. The Red Cross link

is supporting the "state homeland security" theory. How much Federal money do they get each year that they're trying to protect?

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K-W

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:41 AM
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22. Did you read the whole thing?

As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.

Is the key.

Since the Red Cross agrees with the decision, this is a total non-issue.

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On the Road

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:03 AM
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5. Is That True?

I mean, it would make a difference. Is the Louisiana department part of the federal agency? Or did it receive orders from the feds?

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Touchdown

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:08 AM
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9. No. It's not.

It was under Federal HS and FEMA control. They're making shit up again.

Rule of thumb, whenever they tell you something, assume it's a lie until it can be verified, or they provide you with proof, which happens once a solar eclipse. It usually is a lie.

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Mistress Quickly

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:30 AM
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18. The Red Cross is lying?

They are the ones saying it was state homeland security.

In GA, the GEMA/Homeland Security is under control of the governor.

I don't think anyone's going to get a pass on this. And good, get rid of them all, none of them cared.

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K-W

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:37 AM
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20. The president ordered the feds to take control on saturday.

And the Red Cross agrees that its role is to supply shelters, not enter into disaster areas.

So yes, Red Cross isnt being allowed into the disaster area, but no it isnt the governers responsibility, nor does it mean anyone is obstructing the rescue effort.

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justabob

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:07 AM
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8. On CNN this am

Angel Flight and another group(sorry I can't remember now who it was) said it was someone in the governors office who was putting up barriers.... allegedly stafffers said they didn't want patients airlifted out of state because they wouldn't be able to receive FEMA money.

I am certain we didn't get the full story. It sounds to me like some poor soul working in the govs office was *trying* to look out for the people, but was horribly misinformed or confused by red tape. I really don't know.

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libertypirate

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:08 AM
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10. It was FEMA everyone said FEMA looks like karl is suffering from ADD /nt

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ET Awful

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:10 AM
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11. Effective as soon as the letter to Bush of August 28 from Blanco

was signed, FEMA was in charge. FEMA means FEDERAL EMERGERNCY MANAGEMENT, not state.

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Hubert Flottz

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:26 AM
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17. Maybe the Freeper meant LEMA

Those people are MORANS!

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ThoughtCriminal

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:12 AM
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12. I'm waiting to hear comments from the LADHS on this one

See who was calling the shots.

Sure doesn't explain the FEMA delays though.

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txindy

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:12 AM
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13. Who controls Homeland Security?

The federal government. Their next point will be that the Louisiana state Office of the pResident failed at that level. Which is true, enough, but the Executive Branch is a FEDERAL branch of gov't. They'll just have changed the phrasing, making it sound like a state-level arm of that branch had failed, somehow. With the emphasis on STATE-LEVEL.

FEMA failed to act. FEMA. The FEDERAL Emergency Management Agency.

This is why Brown and Chertoff need to be examined with a microscope, no matter what.

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dancingme

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:16 AM
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14. If a terrorist attack happened tomorrow

in any state, are we to believe that the state Homeland Security dept could overrule any orders from the federal government?

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txindy

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:18 AM
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15. I believe that the federal office of HS has complete control

Esp. if a state of emergency has been declared, which was the case in LA BEFORE Katrina hit, making the feds responsible from that moment on.

Such is my understanding. Someone will correct me, if I'm wrong, I'm sure! ;)

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KharmaTrain

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:22 AM
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16. Louisisana Homeland Security?

WTF is that?

And what is this secret organization and which homeland are they protecting? They afraid Texas or Mississippi will invade? Maybe some terrorists will sneak in from New Mexico.

There are tons of first hand accounts - NOLA.com is loaded with them...that details FEMA's hijacking of busses, trucks, food and water in those critical hours.

But then what do you expect from people so far in denial that genocide isn't just tolerated, it's graded!

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mattclearing

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Thu Sep-08-05 09:32 AM
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19. Actually, someone was here saying this was true last night, and that...

...Blanco was afraid to draw more people to the Superdome by delivering it there.

I don't know, honestly, but that's what was said.

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