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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:42 AM
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September 11 Revisited
...and the shock was subsonic
and the smoke was deafening
between the setup and the punch line
cuz we were all on time for work that day
we all boarded that plane for to fly
and then while the fires were raging
we all climbed up on the windowsill
and then we all held hands
and jumped into the sky...

- Ani DiFranco, 'Self Evident'


I have a small glass of scotch sitting beside me on the desk as I write this. I have no intention of drinking it - it is not even noon yet, and despite the notoriously dissolute reputation writers carry around, I have no intention of getting sloshed before the sun crosses the yardarm - but I need it to be there for the smell. The smell, you see, is my memory trigger for September 11. I was teaching that day, and shepherded a building filled with children through their own terror while stuffing mine down into my stomach, and walked out of school with my brave face still on, and stopped on the way home for a bottle of Bushmills, and sat down in front of my television with a glass, and poured, and watched, and wept.

The smell still reminds me, and so here sits the glass as I look back down a blood-soaked corridor of four years gone. I remember the day before that awful morning, Monday September 10th, looking forward to the Newsweek cover story that was going to put the bricks to the woeful Bush v. Gore decision. I remember scanning the headlines of virtually every major publication in the country that day, all of which had nothing but hard words for the wild boys in the White House. I remember thinking that things had been pretty bad, but maybe it was all about to turn around. I remember thinking that the country was finally waking up to a hard fact: this administration was thrashing around in the dark, and had no idea what it was doing.

And then, the smell of scotch. Suddenly, mystically, the Bush administration could do no wrong, they walked on water, they were the exemplar of all that was good and strong and righteous. The flags came out. The double-barreled blast of "How dare you criticize the president at a time like this!" and "No one could have expected such a thing to happen!" drowned out anything but bullhorn blather, and we were off to the races. The bodies started to drop, the press lined up in stalwart support behind the administration and its policies, and a shroud of fearful stupidity descended over our public discourse. Anyone with a question, a concern or a critique was wrapped in plastic sheeting and duct tape, smothered by everyone's knee-jerk need to cling to an image of strength so as to cleanse their eyes and minds of what they had seen on that sun-blessed Tuesday morning.

We've had four years to let this all cook, and the cake coming out of our collective mental oven reeks of failure. The merry-go-round has rolled and rolled, and as we look things over after four long years, we are finding ourselves right back at the spot I found myself on that innocent Monday four years gone: this administration is thrashing around in the dark, and had no idea what it is doing.

Perspective these days is a beast with damned sharp teeth. Four years ago, we got kicked down onto our knees. In the aftermath, all we heard was that there was no way such an awful attack could have been stopped, so there was no fault to be found. Four years later, we hear the same kinds of excuses coming from our elected leadership in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. I'm waiting for the moment when some Bush-bot gets on television and says that criticizing the president at a time like this only strengthens the resolve of the hurricanes.

Here's the thing, though. Katrina was the single most anticipated natural disaster in the history of the country. Report after report, study after study, everything and everyone for years and years said that a hurricane making a direct hit upon New Orleans would flood the city out of existence and kill a lot of people. The National Weather Service dipped into dire poetics to try and warn all of officialdom that the ram was coming. Yet despite all this, the catastrophe happened anyway.

Where is the parallel to September 11? Let's see.

In 1993, a $150,000 study was undertaken by the Pentagon to investigate the possibility of airplanes being used as bombs. A draft document of this was circulated throughout the Pentagon, the Justice Department, and to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

In 1994, a disgruntled Federal Express employee invaded the cockpit of a DC10 with the intention of crashing it into a company building.

Again in 1994, a pilot crashed a small airplane into a tree on the White House grounds, narrowly missing the building itself.

Also in 1994, an Air France flight was hijacked by members of a terrorist organization called the Armed Islamic Group, who intended to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower.

The 1993 Pentagon report was followed up in September 1999 by a report titled 'The Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism.' This report was prepared for the American intelligence community by the Federal Research Division, an adjunct of the Library of Congress. The report stated, "Suicide bombers belonging to Al Qaida's martyrdom battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House."

Ramzi Yousef was one of the planners and participants in the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. Yousef's right-hand man, Abdul Hakim Murad, was captured and interrogated in 1995. During that interrogation, Murad described a detailed plot to hijack airplanes and use them as weapons of terrorism. The primary plan was to commandeer eleven commercial planes and blow them up over the Pacific Ocean. The secondary plan was to hijack several planes, which would be flown into CIA headquarters, the World Trade Center, the Sears Tower, the White House and a variety of other targets.

Ramzi Yousef eluded capture until his final apprehension in Pakistan. During his 1997 trial, the plot described by Murad resurfaced. FBI agents testified in the Yousef trial that, "The plan targeted not only the CIA, but other U.S. government buildings in Washington, including the Pentagon."

Abdul Hakim Murad described plans to use hijacked commercial airplanes as weapons in 1995. Ramzi Yousef's trial further exposed the existence of these plans in 1997. Two reports prepared by the American government, one from 1993 and another from 1999, further detailed again the existence and danger of these plots. The Federal Express employee's hijacking attempt in 1994, the attempted airplane attack on the White House in 1994, and the hijacking of the Air France flight in 1994 by terrorists intending to fly the plane into the Eiffel Tower, provided a glaring underscore to the data.

FBI agents in Phoenix issued warnings in the summer of 2001 about suspicious Arab men receiving aviation training in American flight schools. The warning was never followed up. An agent in the Arizona field office commented in his case notes that Zacarias Moussaoui, arrested in August after suspicious activity at one of these flight schools, seemed like a man capable of flying airplanes into the World Trade Center.

Newspapers in Germany, France, Russia and London reported in the months before September 11th a blizzard of warnings delivered to the Bush administration from all points on the compass. The German intelligence service, BND, warned American and Israeli agencies that terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack important American targets. Egypt warned of a similar plot to use airplanes to attack Bush during the G-8 summit in Genoa in June of 2001. This warning was taken so seriously that anti-aircraft missiles were deployed around Columbus Airport in Italy.

In August of 2001, Russian intelligence services notified the CIA that 25 terrorist pilots had been trained for suicide missions, and Putin himself confirmed that this warning was delivered "in the strongest possible terms" specifically regarding threats to airports and government buildings. In that same month, the Israeli security agency Mossad issued a warning to both the FBI and CIA that up to 200 bin Laden followers were planning a major assault on America, aimed at vulnerable targets. The Los Angeles Times later confirmed via unnamed U.S. officials that the Mossad warnings had been received.

On August 6, 2001, George W. Bush received his Presidential Daily Briefing. The briefing described active plots to attack the United States by Osama bin Laden. The word "hijacking" appeared in that briefing. Shortly after this briefing, George W. Bush departed to Texas for a month-long vacation.

"No one could have anticipated an attack like this," right? Nonsense. Just as with the hurricane, the warnings were there but the disaster happened anyway. The attacks became enveloped in this asinine mysticism, as if they were magic, as if they were some kind of unstoppable bolt from Heaven itself. This was politically expedient, and was also the product of a stunned populace that didn't want to even begin to consider the possibility that their leadership could screw up so catastrophically. In fact, the attacks had been anticipated, feared, described before they ever happened, and warned against. The attacks should have been stopped, should never have happened in the first place. Such is the only available conclusion to be reached once the mystical nonsense is ripped away.

The magical qualities attributed to 9/11 helped the Bush administration to pursue what has since become yet another colossal and bloody disaster: the invasion of Iraq. Had the proper perspective been in place, no one in their right mind would have allowed these fools to pursue an attack of this magnitude after screwing up on 9/11 so badly. Like September 11, like Katrina, this was a scenario that had oodles and oodles of people warning that chaos was in the offing. Like September 11, like Katrina, the Bush administration blew right through the warnings to do as it pleased.

One such warning came from me, in a book published in August of 2001 titled "War on Iraq - What Team Bush Doesn't Want You To Know." In that book, I said, "The case for war against Iraq has not been made. This is a fact. It is doubtful in the extreme that Saddam Hussein has retained any functional aspect of the chemical, nuclear, and biological weapons programs so thoroughly dismantled by the United Nations weapons inspectors who worked tirelessly in Iraq for seven years. This is also a fact. The idea that Hussein has connections to fundamentalist Islamic terrorists is laughable - he is a secular leader who has worked for years to crush fundamentalist Islam within Iraq, and if he were to give weapons of any kind to Qaeda, they would use those weapons on him first."

"The coalition that came together for the Gulf War is nonexistent today," continued the book, "and a vast majority of the international community stands furiously against another war on Iraq. If Bush decides unilaterally to attack, he will be in violation of international law. If Bush does attack Iraq, he will precipitate the exact conflict of cultures between the West and Islam that Osama bin Laden was hoping for when his agents flew three planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. An attack on Iraq could bring about a wider world war America cannot afford, and that a vast majority of Americans do not desire. These are facts."

Later in the book, in the section dedicated to an interview with former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, Ritter said, "This is truly becoming the clash of cultures Osama bin Laden wanted. That's one reason he attacked us: he wanted to turn this into a war between the West and Islam. Almost everyone said that's ridiculous. But the United States is turning this into a war between the West and Islam. And we won't win. It's not that we'll suddenly be occupied, but we'll lose by not winning. It could be a humiliating defeat for the United States, a significant defeat that could mean the beginning of the retrograde of American influence around the world. It could be devastating to our economy."

"We can kill more efficiently than anyone else in the world," continued Ritter. "The question is, what will constrain us? When you start talking about urban warfare and digging people out of a built-up area loaded with civilians, your options are very limited as to what you can do. Understand that we will also take considerable casualties. Our death toll will be in the high hundreds, if not thousands."

That book is three years old now. The warnings within remain eerily accurate, and mine was but one voice among a large chorus that included Mr. Ritter and a whole slew of very smart, experienced people. Despite these warnings, Bush blundered into Iraq anyway. One thousand, eight hundred ninety six American soldiers have died there. One hundred and one other soldiers from the "Coalition" have died there. Thousands and thousands more have been horribly wounded. Because we don't do body counts, we don't know how many Iraqis have been killed and wounded, but the most conservative estimates put the toll in the tens of thousands. The invasion has cost hundreds of billions of dollars, and there is no end in sight.

Perspective is a hell of a thing. Perhaps now that we have Iraq under our belt, perhaps now that we have Katrina under our belt, perhaps now that we have had a few unspeakably costly lessons on just how wretched, stupid, useless, blind, willfully ignorant, dangerous, petulant, frightening, narrow-minded, foolish and ultimately deranged this administration is, perhaps now we can look at September 11 for what it really was: just another Bush administration failure that came with another massive body count.

Hell with it. I'm drinking the scotch. Here's to you, America. May you finally wise up.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:44 AM
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1. Thanks, Will. I'll drink to that
:toast:
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:52 AM
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2. Read it through tears, Will. Nice work.
:cry:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:07 PM
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3. An awesome piece of writing, Will! Profound thanks!
"...just how wretched, stupid, useless, blind, willfully ignorant, dangerous, petulant, frightening, narrow-minded, foolish and ultimately deranged this administration is...".

To which I would add, greedy beyond belief. Actually, I don't think their wretchedness, stupidity, uselessness, blindness, ignorance, dangerousness, petulance, fright, narrow-mindednewss, foolishness and derangement are without purpose. I think that what appears to be incompetence is deliberate policy, for the benefit of war profiteers, disaster profiteers, and other global corporate predators. And this is a much more difficult problem to solve than merely an egregiously incompetent administration.

And I don't think we're going to see the end of it until we achieve election reform. (The War Democrat they are going to install is not going to prosecute and get reparations. He/she is going to perpetuate most of the injustice, with perhaps some minor and cosmetic reforms. And we'll probably see a Draft--because, of course, we can't "leave" Iraq without sending more cannon fodder over there.) (Throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW! --or a Louisiana levee might serve!)

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In case you missed this...

Urgent! Senate committee wants Katrina input - deadline TODAY 9/11


The Senate H.E.L.P. Committee (Health, Education, Labor and Pensions) has been requesting input on Katrina reconstruction. The deadline was changed from Friday 9/9 to Monday, 9/12 (but presume 9/11, by the end of today) to allow more input. I don't know if DUers are aware of this. It's a great opportunity to help influence the treatment of survivors and the fate of the Gulf coast.

The email for public input is listed below. These emails are going to start being reviewed by committee staff tomorrow (Mon, 9/12). I heard about this on a CNN radio rebroadcast of the Senate H.E.L.P. Committee roundtable (of disaster experts) on 9/8, but could not get this posted until now.

Email: katrina_comments@help.senate.gov
Senate H.E.L.P. website: http://help.senate.gov /
(The ranking Democrat is Sen. Edward Kennedy.)

My input to the committee is at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4735625
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:15 PM
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4. Perspective is a hell of a thing.....
:smoke:
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:25 PM
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5. Probably don't need me to tell you this but
Your writing just keeps getting better and better.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:29 PM
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6. your post made me think of that Sage Francis song, do you know it?

Sage Francis - Makeshift Patriot Lyrics

(People talking)
I'm tired of hearing of young fellows, who think you know it
all.
You know nothing, you have not seen a shot fired,
and you're waving the damn flag.

Frank, what's that man?

I'm just watching some bullshit.
On the news. It's f**king bullshit.
Reporters trying to win a f**king emmy.

Makeshift patriot,
the flag shop is out of stock,
I hang myself at half mast.
(3x)

It's the makeshift,
The patriot,
the flag shop is out of stock,
I hang myself for your live telecast.

Coming live from my own theater room,
Beautiful weather offered a nice shine,
Which is suitable for a full view of an altered skyline.
It's times like these I freestyle biased opinions every other
sentence.
My journalist ethic slips when I pass some offensive gestures.
Don't give me that ethical shit.
I've got exclusive, explicit images to present to impressionable
american kids,
and it's time to show this world how big our edifice is.
That's exsactly how they attacked,
with a typically dark-skinned disney villain.
Use civillians against civillians and charge the trojan horse
into our buildings.
Using commercial aviation as instruments of destruction.
Pregnant women could have protected their children;
wheelchairs were stairway obstructions.
I had to back-pedal from the shower of glass and metal,
wondering if after it settles,
we'll find who provided power to radical rebels.
The melting pot seems to be calling the kettle black when it
boils over,
but only on our own soil,
so the little boy holds a toy soldier,
and waits for the suit and tie to come home.
We're going to wait until he's older, though,
before we destroy hopes for a colder war to end.
I'll get a close-up of his head.

Makeshift patriot,
the flag shop is out of stock,
I hang myself at half mast.
(3x)

It's the makeshift,
The patriot,
the flag shop is out of stock,
I hang myself while the stock markets crash.

The city is covered in inches of mud.
I see some other pictures of victims erupt.
Grieving mothers are thinking their children are stuck,
leaping lovers are making descisions to jump while holding
hands,
to escape the brutal heat;
sometimes in groups of three.
The fallout was far beyond the toxic clouds where people would
like to breath,
but all they say when all was said,
beyond the talking heads,
was the bloody dust with legs,
looking like the walking dead calling for meds.
All the hospitals overwhelmed,
volluntiers need to go the hell home.
Moments of silence for firefighters were interupted by cell
phones.
Who's going to make that call, to increas an unknown death
toll?
Someone we rally behind.
He's got a megaphone, promising to make heads roll.
We'd cheer him on, but asbestos is affecting our breath
control.
The less we know, the more they fabricate,
the easier it is to sell a soul.

(Man talking)
There is a new price on freedom, so buy into it while supplies
last.
Changes need to be made;
no more curbside baggage,
seven pm curfew,
racial profiling will continue with less bitching.
We've unified over who to kill, so until I find more relevant
scripture to quote,
remember, our kind is bigger, stronger, smarter, and much
wealthier.
So wave those flags with pride, especially the white part.

We're selling addictive, twenty-four hour candlelight vigils on
TV.
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
The viewers are glued to television screens, stuck,
'cause lots of things seem too sick.
I use opportunities to pluck heartstrings for theme music.
I'll show you which culture to pump your fist at,
which foot is right to kiss.
We don't really know who the culprit is yet,
but he looks like this.
We know who the heroes are,
they're not the xenophobes who act hard.
We taught the dog to squat,
how dare he do that shit in our own back yard.
They happen to scar our financial state,
and char our landscape.
Can you count how many times so far I ran back the same damn
tape?
While the cameraman creates news and shoves it down our throats,

on the west bank, with the ten second clip put on constant loop
to provoke US angst.
So get your tanks and load your guns and hold your suns in a
family huddle,
'cause even if we win this tug of war and even the score,
humanity struggles.
There's a need of blood for what's been uncovered under the
rubble;
some of them dug for answers in the mess,
but the rest were looking for trouble.

Makeshift patriot,
the flag shop is out of stock,
I hang myself at half mast.
(3x)

It's the makeshift,
The patriot,
the flag shop is out of stock,
I hang myself.
Don't waive your rights with your flags.

(Two people talking)
Seriously, if I want to find out anything, I'm not going to read
Time Magazine,
I'm not going to read Newsweek, I'm not going to read any of
these magazines.
I mean, because they've just got too much to lose by printing
the truth,
you know that.

What kinds of truths are they omitting?

Well, anything.
Even on a worldwide basis.
They'd just go off the stands in a day if they printed really
the truth.

What is really the truth?

Well, really the truth is just a plain picture.

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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:37 PM
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7. We didn't know anyone who was killed, personally.
We called each other and watched the TV and felt like hitting the ground. We watched the sky because we live near an airport.

We kept putting our hands on each other's wrists because we had no idea whether or not our family was going to go up in a fucking puff of smoke. We thought bush was a hero at that exact moment, although none of us had ever voted for him, nor was it even an option. We thought he'd handled it all so well.

We saw Michael Moore's documentary and learned what really happened. Everyone outside the theater was talking, complete strangers became friends, and we could not speak, really. We took it upon ourselves to read the ugly truth later, and we did.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:40 PM
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8. Idon't even begin to know what to say...
besides wow...and check your pm.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:00 PM
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9. kick
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:00 PM
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10. Please, let me never forget the truth.
Nominated!
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:05 PM
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11. I almost hate to admit it
but my first thought when I realized what had happened at the WTC was "well, isn't THIS convenient?"

Everything that followed seemed so orchistrated that I was appalled at how easily nearly everyone in this country, particularly the corporatized media, fell in line behind the administration that had allowed such a thing to happen.

I don't usually drink, but a shot of Cuervo or Beam sounds about perfect right now. Too bad I don't have any.

Cheers.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:56 PM
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26. "I was appalled at how easily nearly everyone...
...in this country, particularly the corporatized media, fell in line behind the administration that had allowed such a thing to happen."

What happened NEXT (the Iraq war) tells us a lot about what happened then (9/11). A traumatized nation was manipulated and blackmailed and forced into becoming a cash cow for war profiteers. It's more visible in the Iraq war, and how things fell out with that over time. But go back and think 9/11 through with what we know now--and add in Katrina--and the suspicion that the same people who brought us the Iraq war, and who brought us murderous neglect of the poor and the black in New Orleans, also brought us 9/11, perhaps by their own hand, or at the least by the standdown of our country's defenses, not to mention past doings with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan (Bush Cartel/CIA funded) and with Saudi royals, all of which fostered and funded Islamic jihadists (who may--and I stress may--have been the perps).

As for the American people, I'm not sure what they know or suspect about 9/11, but I do know this: 58% of the American people opposed the Iraq war BEFORE the invasion. Across the board in all polls. Feb. '03.

That figure dipped only once, in the few weeks of the invasion when U.S. troops were at max risk, then went right back up to nearly 60%, where it stayed throughout the election. Now it's pushing 80%.

The American people NEVER supported this war. Never!

So it's really not accurate to say that "nearly everyone in this country fell into line." In fact, most Americans DID NOT fall into line. What most Americans are is disempowered and DISENFRANCHISED.

The war profiteering corporate news monopolies of course "fell into line." They even doctored their own exit polls on everybody's TV screens on election night to hide evidence that Bush didn't win. It's THEIR war, as much as the Bush Cartel's. And when you think of the collusion of establishments like the New York Times, you realize how very much that is true, and also how bipartisan the pro-Iraq war elite is.

We have a double-whammy: Diebold and ES&S doctoring the vote, and the news media doctoring both election data and war information. And a triple whammy, really--the third rail being pro-war Democratic leaders, and corrupt Democratic leaders, who were silent or collusive on Bushites gaining control of the vote tabulation

It's a wonder that the American people aren't nuts with confusion. But they really are not--if the war profiteering corporate news monopoly opinion polls are any gage. They never seem to heed their own polls, but here is what those polls say, over the last year: 60% to 70% of the American people disapprove of every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic. You name it. The Iraq war. Torture policy. Social Security. The deficit. Women's rights. The great majority of Americans oppose Bushite views, and show themselves to be thoughtful, progressive, peace-minded and justice-minded people.

I think that the American people are pretty clear on what's going down, and have been for some time. They just haven't been able to get their voices heard or their votes counted. They tried to oust the Bush Cartel, in the only way they knew how--by voting. But they were ill informed on the election system and WHO now owns and controls the vote tabulation (with SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, run by Bushites), and on who let that happen (corrupt, collusive Democratic election officials, and others).

We really, really need to make a distinction between what the corporate news monopolies PROJECT as "mainstream" opinion, and real opinion, as reflected in their own polls (and given that these polls are almost always weighted to the right, these amazing numbers on disagreement with Bush are probably even higher). If you are an activist, you may encounter the loudmouth freepers, and get that view blown out of proportion in your minds--but what is going on in the minds of those millions of people driving down the freeway that you never hear from? Well, now we know. They're thinking BUSH IS WRONG. And they're wondering if they are all alone in that view (because they so rarely see it reflected in the media!)

We need to make a distinction between what the Bushites and the corporate news monopolies are creating as an ILLUSION of our country, and what people are really like and what they really think.

I know it's hard. Most of us here are plugged into "the news," and we get that hit of lies and disinformation and freeper opinion. It can be alarming for sure. But we need to make the effort to see it for what it is: corporate-created propaganda, designed to disempower and disenfranchise the progressive majority. Brainwashing. Illusion. Crap. It doesn't really form opinion. Family and friends and our experience and intelligence do that. But it makes people feel alone and isolated and out of step.

Anyway, please be careful in characterizing American opinion. Are you describing the illusion they have tried to create of a rightwing majority (--incredibly, in spite of their own polls), or reality?

The news monopolies fell into line (--and actually did more than that), but, from everything I can gather, the majority of Americans falling into line was very short-lived, post 9/11, and soon turned into a permanent and large, disenfranchised majority opposed to all Bush policy.





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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:21 PM
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31. Very well said, Peace Patriot. Media driven self image as a nation is
a large part of the problem. Just like children growing up in a dysfunctional family, we do not have a realistic "mirroring" of our own identity. We do not know who we really are as a society.

I think this can be taken further, too. It is not only our own understanding of ourselves, but our understanding of other people as well. Our understanding of who and what humanity is, what our real relationships can or could be with one another.

Those who manipulate, influence and control the structures of power benefit from a DISUNITED humanity. Whether it is along class lines or racial lines or religious lines or what have you, STRUCTURES OF POWER benefit from maintaining this dissonance. We are taught to look at our DIFFERENCES and to infuse them with far more importance than those values and necessities that we ALL HOLD IN COMMON.

This is the human condition right now as we are having to confront enormous problems on a global scale. Peak oil, economic inequalities, ecological catastrophes -- do we really think that greedy power hungry institutions -- whether they be governments or corporations or both -- can lead humanity forward to a better, freer, more just and humane world?

I don't.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:54 PM
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38. The illusion then...
The public representation that everyone fell in line with it.

Especially considering that Congress didn't really do anything to oppose it.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:23 PM
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12. LINK TO FINAL
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:09 PM
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28. I'd love to hear this read on the Air somewhere
:toast: here's to you America
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dcfirefighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:10 PM
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13. Bushmills is Irish Whiskey not Scotch Whisky. n/t
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:24 PM
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14. What evidence do you have that Osama attacked the US on 9/11?
This is the problem, Will. If this were merely a matter of incompetence on the part of the Bush administration or NORAD or any aspect of our national air defence, heads would have rolled and you know it. But none of that happened. No more evidence has been presented to back up the presumption that bin Laden attacked the US on 9/11 than established Sadam as having WMD's.

Will, I appreciate your journalistic skills and your dedication to the cause of getting rid of the Bush administration. However, I am one person out here who will not give you a pat on the back for continuing the travesty being perpetrated upon the American people to this day.

You and I both know that Bush is no more qualified to be the President of the United States of America than Michael Brown is qualified to be the director of FEMA. And yet he is in that position. You and I both know that it was not the MAJORITY of the American people who put him in that position and have kept him there. Bush is a puppet for an extremist regime that has insinuated itself in the deepest interstices of the national security state. Even removing him from office before the completion of his term (if that is at all possible, I'm skeptical) would NOT change that underlying fact.

This nation -- the whole world, in fact -- is in grave danger. It does not serve us one bit to misdirect our attention and perpetuate lies and myths that deflect us from a clear and accurate analysis of what we actually face.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:47 PM
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16. What evidence do you have that he didn't?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:55 PM
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17. The very fact that Bush insists he did, for one thing.
The very fact that Bush insists he did AND offers little to no evidence to actually back it up. You know that if they HAD evidence it would be in the public domain. You know everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie, plane and simple.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:04 PM
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18. "plane and simple"
Was that on purpose?

I asked for evidence, by the way. Innuendo doesn't count.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:19 PM
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19. If innuendo doesn't count, then why did we go after bin Laden? Why is he
still at large?

Come on, Will; since when do liberals take the position that one has to prove INNOCENSE rather than guilt?

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:39 PM
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23. Um...
Innocent until proven guilty is pretty much the fundamental underpinning of our legal system.

I am no fan of George, but if you try to tell me that:

1. Bush was directly involved in the planning and execution of this attack;

2. The planes were flown by remote control;

3. A missile hit the Pentagon;

4. A missile was fired by one of the Tower planes before it struck;

5. Etc...

...I await evidence from you to support it. "It's Bush so it has to be true" doesn't nearly measure up.

P.S. The far-out theories on 9/11 came out after the good ones were put forth. The far-out ones have drowned out the good ones. The far-out ones were (imho) deliberately spread to muddy up the good ones. Don't fall for it.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:55 PM
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25. I don't know what Bush knew. I think he is an ass and a fraud,
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 03:59 PM by Beam Me Up
a pawn in a game that is so far beyond his comprehension he couldn't imagine it in his wildest dreams.

What I do know is that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have been deeply imbedded within the national security state infrastructure most of their political careers. In their positions they have had access to secure communications systems and NORAD level military chains of command.

I think there is plenty of physical evidence that is worthy of serious inquiry but I will not debate that with you here. That always boils down to whose 'expert' you believe.

The point is, the case against bin Laden has not been proved but merely ASSUMED to be true. And I'm sure you agree, given the people who have put Bush in power and kept him there, that is a dangerous assumption to make.

Edit to add: "Innocent until proven guilty is pretty much the fundamental underpinning of our legal system." Exactly my point. So why are you asking me to provide evidence that Osama is innocent? It makes no sense. What I asked you for was evidence of his guilt. So far, none has been forthcoming.


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allthatjazz Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:24 PM
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20. I agree with you Beam Me Up
And I didn't come to that conclusion, or even question it until yesterday.
I was revisiting the evidence regarding the WTC-7 "collapse". A building that was not hit by an airplane and had suffered no significant damage is reduced to tiny pile of rubble within seconds on 9-11. The only reasonable explanation being that is was a controlled demolition. If you accept that 1 fact (forgetting all the other oddities that happened on 9-11), you have to accept the fact that it was an inside job.
Everything the Bush administration has told us about 9-11 was a lie, so why believe them when they say Osama Bin Laden was responsible?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:35 PM
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22. Eeverything about this "Presidency" is a lie.
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 03:36 PM by Beam Me Up
Absolutely EVERYTHING. It is all a dog and pony show. Every last bit of it.

I'm convinced that 9/11 IS (not was as it continues to this day) the biggest mind control con-job EVER perpetrated upon a subject population (which is what we now are). It was a false flag operation and remains a social driver to this day. Will himself points out how the day before Bush and his PNAC cabal was in big trouble, next day he can do no wrong, although during the events of 9/11 he passively sat there and DID NOTHING. Even the Secret Service DID NOTHING to protect HIM from "unknown terrorists hijacking airplanes and using them as weapons of mass destruction."

It is incredible. That is, the story is NOT credible and it wasn't credible from day one. I can STILL recall one of the CIA talking heads on CBS (I believe it was) saying something to this effect: "What I'd like to know is, who is behind this 'myth' of Osama bin Laden. This attack on the United States had to have had State backing." When asked by the anchor what state could do such a thing he said, "I would suspect SaddamHussein." I wish now I'd taken notes as to who this person was -- he was presented as a person in the CIA very knowledgeable about the Middle East.

The point being that at that stage, still during the unfolding of events, the 'story' had not yet officially taken shape. PNAC and their people wanted to go DIRECTLY to Iraq, not Afghanistan. That was what 9/11 was MEANT to be used for.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:15 PM
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30. As someone here at DU said the other day...
.. about Katrina and the Fed. response or lack of it: Incompetence only gets you til Tuesday.

It's similar with 9/11. The incompetence excuse only gets them so far. There are way too many unanswered questions - still.

And this, too, I know. I see it in everything they do and say: These guys are cold-blooded liars.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:39 PM
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33. Yes. At what point does incompetence cease to be an excuse for
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 04:39 PM by Beam Me Up
treason.

They knew. At the very least, they knew. At the very least they knew and allowed it to go forward to achieve domestic and foreign policy agendas that the American people would not have supported under other circumstances. As Peace Patriot points out in the post above, even with these extreme circumstances, the vast majority of the American People DO NOT SUPPORT these measures.

They are cold blooded murderers even IF the planes were hijacked as portrayed. They knew.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:29 PM
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21. Except Osama's owing up to it.
If the translations are to be believed, didn't Osama admit that the attack was planned by al qaeda?

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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:42 PM
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24. He may very well have.
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 03:42 PM by Beam Me Up
And confessions DO count as evidence.

But when investigating a crime, if one wants to know the truth, one doesn't simply take the word of a known criminal as fact, even if it directly implicates them in the crime. Why? Because they could be covering for someone else.

We know there are close relations between the Bush family the house of Saud and the bin Ladens. That is clearly established. We've been sold the idea that Osama is somehow outside that sphere of influence. I'm not buying it.

Edit to add: Osama is still at large.

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:00 PM
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27. Yeah, Osama could be covering for someone else.
And he could have convinced his entire organization to cover for someone else too.

So what corroboration is there? Well, Osama is a known criminal, as you note, of a certain type. And that type is terrorist.

So it's not like Joe Schmoe claimed it. It's Osama's MO.

I suppose I would like to investigate the crime by bringing Osama in and grilling him for a few hours. But for purposes of action, if trying to capture him is a difficult thing, I would do with killing him for whatever reason he has for claiming responsibility. Because I can't think of a reason he could have that doesn't make him a danger to innocents all over the world. Can you?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:34 PM
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32. Yes, he is a danger, but he doesn't have his finger on the nuclear trigger
while George W. Bush and those who put him in power and keep him there do:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4733205

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:17 PM
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34. No, Osama is his own type of danger.
That others are more or less or differently dangerous doesn't change that one bit.

Ergo, he should be captured or killed.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:26 PM
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39. Originally
Osama sent a fax saying he was not responsible for 9/11.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:09 PM
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36. Did Bushco also attack the U.S. embassies in Kenya
and Tanzania? Did Bush and Cheney also blow a hole in the U.S.S. Cole you could drive an SUV through? Just curious if that's part of the MIHOP thinking.
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TOOLZ Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:32 PM
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15. I drank red wine.
I agree with everything -- except Bushmill's is Irish Whiskey, not Scotch.

Semantics.

Thanks for the perspective.

I posted my own:

<www.toolz.blogs.com>
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:14 PM
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29. I thought to myself, America will never be the same again.
What I thought would be different has changed in the security aspect of our country, but I had no idea that freedoms would hop out the door after 9-11. I had no idea Americans were so willing to give them up. That has been the biggest thing of all. How could any American give up their rights?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:06 PM
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35. Nice work as always, Mr. Pitt nt
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rabbit2484 Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:29 PM
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37. Every person in America should read this
Especially now with so many finally doubting them. If only we could all convince just one person each to step back and look at the past four and a half years with open eyes and no bias.

Thanks Will. Excellent piece of work.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:18 AM
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40. Will, Bush was already on vacation at the ranch when he got the 8/6/01 PDB
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:50 AM
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41. One more, Will: wasn't your book ""War on Iraq - What Team Bush Doesn't"
published in 2002? Amazon says so.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:47 AM
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42. Yeah
I wrote about August 2001 and the PDB, and the date was in my head when I wrote this. I fixed it in the final earlier today.

Thanks for the sharp eye. Much appreciated.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:01 AM
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43. What about Democratic leaders? they sould listen to William Pitt
What about the Democrats in Congress claiming "they were lied to" about Iraq?

The info on the bogus claims of the administration was out there from many sources well before the fall 2002 vote.

". . .in a book published in August of 2001 titled "War on Iraq - What Team Bush Doesn't Want You To Know." In that book, I said, "The case for war against Iraq has not been made. This is a fact. It is doubtful in the extreme that Saddam Hussein has retained any functional aspect of the chemical, nuclear, and biological weapons programs so thoroughly dismantled by the United Nations weapons inspectors who worked tirelessly in Iraq for seven years. This is also a fact. The idea that Hussein has connections to fundamentalist Islamic terrorists is laughable - he is a secular leader who has worked for years to crush fundamentalist Islam within Iraq, and if he were to give weapons of any kind to Qaeda, they would use those weapons on him first."
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:29 AM
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44. Damn. Beautiful as always...
How many people need to die before this country wakes up to the utter disaster that is this administration? sigh...

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