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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:54 PM
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'Reagan revolution': I have never heard this term before
Can someone explain?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:56 PM
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1. End of "big government" and (necessary!) regulation ...
the beginning of the end, IMHO.

Hands-off mergers, go-go capitalism, smashing of labor unions (goodbye, PATCO), trickle-down economics ... In other words, the seeds of everything that's wrong with the country today.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:58 PM
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3. You explained it very well
Thanks!
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:01 PM
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6. Invade sovereign countries, kill the people and overthrow the gov't
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 05:02 PM by CottonBear
(Grenada and various Central American countries)

Iran-Contra scandal.
Tax cut and massive debt.
"Trickle down" economic theory.
and (gag me) "Morning in America"
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:03 PM
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7. Thanks for reminding me about Iran-Contra ...
not to mention John Negroponte's little adventures in Central America. My God, no wonder I was drunk during most of the 80s ... gimme my medication!
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:06 PM
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8. It was an awful time, but our time now is even worse.
:cry:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:14 PM
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15. Yeah, that's why I'm back on the wine ...
I swear, we've got to clean up this country so I can clean up my act!!!
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:15 PM
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17. Me too. I think I'll have a beer when I get home. n/t
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:13 PM
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14. So called "Trickle-down" economics....
It has been proven to be more aptly called "Tinkle-On" economics, or "piss-on-the-poor"
Part of the Reagan Revolution was all the Democrats who were sold on stopping funding to the "welfare moms". A lot of Democrats supported Reagan because they thought they were better off if they paid less in taxes.
Prior to the time of Reagan, for two centuries the rest of the world looked at our economic growth and set out to try to get their standard of living to be like ours. With Reagan, the economy of America started moving so our standard of living could be more like the rest of the world. The rich being filthy rich, less and less middle class each year, and the poor growing in numbers and in their level of poverty.
Even with the economic boom of the Clinton years, the effects of "Tinkle-On" economics are clear to see.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:57 PM
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2. you haven't missed anything
i don't have the heart to actually answer the question

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:59 PM
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4. You would have had to have been there.
It was basically the whole "Reagan" BS.
Much like the "Bush Doctrine".
Basically pre-assigning a legacy for someone incapable of forming their own.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:01 PM
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5. Well, I was in the Army at the time
:shrug:

I had never heard the term before now.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:06 PM
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10. Isn't it funny....
That during weird times (like then and now) the members of our Armed Forces are less informed than residents of the USA who do not have televisions and cannot read English-language publications?
I read today that a lot of guys in Iraq only get to phone home once a month. And I'm not talking about*.
We were more up than that in the 60s (SE Asia).
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:08 PM
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11. You are totally right
We were busy all the time and rarely watched TV or read the papers. Overseas, all we had was Armed Forces for entertainment and news.

There was a complete lack of information then. Now, I think the military is a little more informed, but it's still tough for them to get the truth.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:10 PM
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13. Then you were part of the largest peacetime military buildup
in history, though it was the Navy that got the bulk of that pork. Another part of the Reagan Revolution, promoting "peace" through massively one-sided strength.
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nine23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:06 PM
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9. Don't forget the emergence of the x-tian Right and the set-up for PNAC.
If Ronnie can be considered successful at anything, it's these two.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:10 PM
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:16 PM
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18. Carter years GDP growrg was 3.3% ave, Reagan 3.4% - and unemplotment
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 05:16 PM by papau
was worse under Reagan

The Reagan growth was purchased by deficit spending caused by a tax cur - National Debt went from 1T to 2.7 T

The Reagan military bildup - sans Star Wars - was almost exactly the Carter 5 year plan released summer 1980.

So what did Reagan do? That was good?
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:20 PM
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21. Scram. Go on. Git. Shoo. n/t
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:14 PM
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16. I think that was when
it became fashionable to become a vile greedy ignorant pig. It was the beginning of the ME ME ME generation. I was hoping the Katrina disaster would lay bare the inequities that all started with Raygun. Not that it was his idea, but he was the spokespuke for the cabal behind the neocon movement.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:18 PM
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:23 PM
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22. Get to Iraq, Reagan-lover.
www.goarmy.com

The military missed its recruiting quota this year by 10,000 recruits. Too bad all the Reagan lovers just like to watch war on teevee. Pathetic cowards, all of you.

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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:27 PM
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24. He's probably a member of the 101st Fighting Keyborders
who lives in his mother's basement.

I'm sure he's on his way to the local recruiter's station (NOT).
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:26 PM
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23. That is not true. Reagan plunged the nation into a recession
and created a massive debt, outstripped only by Shrub junior's national debt. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer. In addition, Reagan was a treasonous, murdering bastard who traded arms and drugs for hostages and invaded sovereign countries and killed and terrorized their people (Grenada and Honduras, among others.

Reagan undid everything good that President Carter had implemented:
environmental standards, energy conservation, good gas mileage standards, national speed limit, alternative energy programs and a progressive foreign policy.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:34 PM
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25. And what a teacher....


:eyes:
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:19 PM
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20. My thought, too, jimshoes.
I think of the Reagan era as The Beginning of the End.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:35 PM
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praisethelowered Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:49 PM
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27. Reagan was the first to figure out how to dupe the working class
into thinking it's interests were served by giving everything to the inherited-wealth class using divisive social issues and "self-reliance" pep talks. What a trick! It still seems to work on some fools today.

I am all for competition and self-reliance . . . but the playing field needs to be at least sort of level. . . or we are just flushing all of the possible societal contributions of anyone who doesn't grow up rich. . . and we are a weaker nation because of it.

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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:46 PM
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33. Shoot,
I had to go to work and missed all the fun.
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:50 PM
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28. The beginning of the destruction of the middle class;
Remember one income households, good union jobs in manufacturing ,40 hr work weeks with weekends off....but then again we didn't deserve these things, ask any Repub...we need to be like our grandfathers working in the mines and mills for low wages and no benefits( except an early death)....A wonderful time for the rich.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:51 PM
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29. the deregulation of everything and the end of fair treatment for workers
"Free market economy!!!" "Let the market decide!"
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:51 PM
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30. Appointing Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to the supreme court
After all, Reagan is the first president who gave those assholes money! That was a bigger mistake than anything he did in those two terms. Yes, I said that. Giving those two assholes money was even a bigger mistake than Iran-Contra.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:03 PM
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31. national debt's public and national wealth is private
and reagan never really did anything, he napped incessantly and was a front man to jim baker and the rest of the cons.....the 'assassination' attempt by bush family friend hinckley's son john has been long forgotten ...it wouldn't be too prudent to look to closely at hinckley and how his attempted shooting of reagan made opposing the reagan agenda as difficult for the dems of 1981-84 as 911 made opposing bush- you would think the dems would smell a pig, i mean rat)
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:08 PM
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32. Reagan Revolution meant the end
of the single income household. A set back of almost a hundred years to the middle class. Now , thanks to Reagan's war on the middle class more and more families face the prospect of everyone in a household (15 yrs and up) having to work just to make ends meet (maybe).
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:54 PM
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34. In "Contempt-How the Right Is Wronging American
Justice", by Catherine Crier, the real Reagan Revolution is the beginning point of their take over of our court system started during his administration. Now we are in big trouble as this revolution is nearing completion.
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