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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:36 PM
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"You can believe that he's suddenly worried about poor people if you want"
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 11:38 PM by understandinglife
Mr. Herbert characterizes the awful and obvious American reality.

In an eerily lit, nationally televised appearance outside the historic St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans, President Bush promised the world to the Gulf Coast residents whose lives were upended by Hurricane Katrina.

He seemed to be saying that no effort, no amount of money, would be spared. Two hundred billion dollars? No problem. This will be bigger than the Marshall Plan. The end of the rainbow is here.

"Throughout the area hit by the hurricane," said Mr. Bush, "we will do what it takes, we will stay as long as it takes to help citizens rebuild their communities and their lives."

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You can believe that he's suddenly worried about poor people if you want to. What is more likely is that his reference to racism and poverty was just another opportunistic Karl Rove moment, never to be acted upon.

From Good Grief by BOB HERBERT on September 19, 2005

Link:

http://select.nytimes.com/2005/09/19/opinion/19herbert.html?hp=&oref=login&pagewanted=print


And, on the same Op-Ed 'page,' Mr Krugman characterizes the harshness of that reality -- America is 'ruled by a political movement that is hostile to the idea of helping citizens in need.'

Maybe President Bush would have been mugging with a guitar the day after the levees broke even if New Orleans had been a mostly white city. Maybe Palm Beach would also have had to wait five days after a hurricane hit before key military units received orders to join rescue operations.

But in a larger sense, the administration's lethally inept response to Hurricane Katrina had a lot to do with race. For race is the biggest reason the United States, uniquely among advanced countries, is ruled by a political movement that is hostile to the idea of helping citizens in need.

Race, after all, was central to the emergence of a Republican majority: essentially, the South switched sides after the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Today, states that had slavery in 1860 are much more likely to vote Republican than states that didn't.

And who can honestly deny that race is a major reason America treats its poor more harshly than any other advanced country? To put it crudely: a middle-class European, thinking about the poor, says to himself, "There but for the grace of God go I." A middle-class American is all too likely to think, perhaps without admitting it to himself, "Why should I be taxed to support those people?"

From Tragedy in Black and White by Paul Krugman on September 19, 2005

Link:

http://select.nytimes.com/2005/09/19/opinion/19krugman.html?hp=&pagewanted=print


Mr Krugman concludes with where I begin "

I'd like to believe that Katrina will change everything - that we'll all now realize how important it is to have a government committed to helping those in need, whatever the color of their skin. But I wouldn't bet on it."


No, I would not bet one cent on the current situation.

What I will do is give everything I have to support the person most likely to lead our government to be "committed to helping those in need, whatever the color of their skin." -- Specifically, Congressman John Conyers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x23663

Let us all reject and terminate the horrific realm of Bush and the neoconsters and embark on improving the world occupied by most folk on this planet - the world of the have a little, and have nothing, and let us change their opportunities, and advance civilization.

If we do we will find that the terror the beneficiaries of perpetual war find so lucrative will dissipate and, in its place, will emerge the stability and sanity needed to preserve our society and the planet, so another generation or two can actually live here.


Peace.

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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:40 PM
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1. Kick and thanks for posting this UL!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:43 PM
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2. He's Machivellian...
He will say or do anything to maintain power. It doesn't matter if it is conservative or liberal. He doesn't give a damn. So long as it sells to the public. He truly believes there is nothing or no one that cannot be bought - even Donna Brazile...
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:48 PM
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4. I think Donna put him on the defensive
He talked the talk, now let him walk the walk. I believe that was her intent. Hold him accountable for his ownership remarks.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:45 PM
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3. W must accept ownership of racial inequality and poverty
He is the first republican since Nixon to admit it exists. Christ commands us to help the least among us and even says we will be judged by how those are treated by us. What will his gung-ho Christians say now that he has admitted racial inequality and poverty?

If tax cuts for the rich and special privileges to corporations have only worsened the conditions of the needy, will they judge him if he does nothing but talk the talk?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:16 AM
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5. We must NEVER allow him to escape these words ...
"That poverty has roots in a history of racial discrimination, which cut off generations from the opportunity of America. We have a duty to confront this poverty with bold action.

"So let us restore all that we have cherished from yesterday, and let us rise above the legacy of inequality."

--G.W. Bush, New Orleans, LA, September 16, 2005

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4794195


NEVER.


Peace.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:18 AM
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6. But he also said...
But we do not need any tax increases to pay for it? Guess who pays for it?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:29 AM
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9. Yes he did. And, we must never allow him to escape those words, as well.
Peace.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:45 AM
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14. How about
"The churches of Alabama will have their broken steeples mended and their congregations whole."
FUGWB!!!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050915-8.html
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:34 AM
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17. yep. Bush admitted racial inequality and poverty.
Now what is he he going to do?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:23 AM
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7. Thank you for posting these.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:28 AM
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8. Once again they talk the talk.....
talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....talk the talk.....
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:33 AM
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10. The entire Krugman column is now available at pkarchive.org
http://www.pkarchive.org/

Click on "Columns"
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:38 AM
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12. Ooh, thanks hpd! Looks like we cross-posted.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:35 AM
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11. Damn - you have to pay to access the NYT site now.
wish I could read them in their entirety. Presumably both of them get picked up by other papers (I know Krugman does) and will be accessible on their sites in a few days...
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:22 AM
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18. 'NY Times' Introduces New 'Pay' Service Today: Reader Reaction Awaited
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001138808

'NY Times' Introduces New 'Pay' Service Today: Reader Reaction Awaited

<snip>
The question, of course, remains: how quickly, and how many, other Web editors and bloggers will copy the columns in question and put them up on their own sites, daring the Times to sue them. One of the first to put up most of Krugman's column was http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/.

The second op-ed columnist behind the firewall for Monday is Bob Herbert. His column is titled “Good Grief” and the one sentence gift is: “The country has put its faith in President Bush many times before, and come up empty
<snip>
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:29 AM
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19. that is an excellent blog!
thank you for the link!

:)
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:40 AM
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13.  "we will do what it takes, we will stay as long as it takes..."
Haven't heard that one before have we? :banghead:
Translation - Our friends @ Halliburton (etc) will make a ton of loot.
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:58 AM
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15. How soon we forget...Or, just do not pay attention
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 12:59 AM by ladylibertee
The money is coming from the little Republican Pet projects.So far, the only one they are "open" about getting rid of is this 25 billion dollar pork project for trails and parks and shit.They have a few more that they have not discussed on Natl T.V., but they are just as expensive.Also, get ready, some of our troops are coming home.;-) I also think that we are going to borrow some more from China.Although I have to admit.I do not like that idea. If we get indebted to China because of the cost of Katrina, then Bush can blame it all on " The People of the Gulf Region" AKA " The Poor" AKA " The Blacks ???" and everyone will be pissed off at us.I know I am going off on a hype of paranoia here, but, bottom line,I hope it does not come from other countries.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:04 AM
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16. "I see poor people."
He sure does, just like Schrooge saw poor people...it horrifies him.

Another way to look at it is, "He loves poor prople so much he's busy creating more of them all the time."

He's so finished. 35% in the Resmussen poll, 36% in ARG, and a whopping 41% approval in the * friendly Fox poll.

Now, the hunt is on. Even Clinton lambasted him tonight (Poppy gave the word, no doubt).

Will we get another loser "Ford" replacement for the sooner to be departed Bush.

Fitzgerald will either go down in history in bold letters or he'll end with a whimper. If "it's time," we'll see a huge announcement from Fitz and it will blow our minds.

I suspect things will really start to cook, and he'll be going...THEN it's our time to get a real democracy...for a change.

Leading Expert Predicts Bush at 30% by February, 2006

You've gotta see this!
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:42 AM
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20. Just heard on AAR that Bush issued a new order to drop the Affirmative
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 05:44 AM by FourStarDemocrat
Action requirements that federal have to observe for hiring contractors and subcontractors in the rebuilding of NOLA. It was just talked about on the Mark Reilly show (no link yet).

Just goes to prove how the Bush admin operates.


edit:spelling
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:53 AM
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21. Is there a free site to read all the NYT columnists?
pkarchive.org is only for Paul Krugman

Is there a free site to read Bob Herbert, Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:22 AM
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23. Not aware of one, yet. What I plan to do ....
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 11:23 AM by understandinglife
... whenever I post a Krugman, Herbert, Rich or Dowd article at DU, is search for it to appear elsewhere and then add the link to the OP in a comment. For instance, Dowd, Rich and Herbert often have their Op-Ed's appear in the SeattlePI, a site I check every day.

Be sure to check the following, as well:




Peace.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 02:45 PM
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25. Thank you U.L.
We appreciate everything you do, finding great articles for us to read!
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:42 AM
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22. No question they're racist when it comes to helping people...
But I believe that deep down, they're equal-opportunity killers... no one is safe.



I hear Rummy's been busy busy busy down in the gulf, though:

RUMSFELD IN NEW ORLEANS:"COME ON IN! THE WATER'S FINE!"

Another great post, ul! Kicked and nommed!
d
ps: I LOVE John Conyers too... he's the only one in the last year or so who's shown a consistent will to stop these fascist critters!
I'm really not the prayin' type, but god keep and protect him...
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:33 AM
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24. Obama: "they had been abandoned before the hurricane,"
''The people that we saw in front of the Superdome and in front of the convention center, they had been abandoned before the hurricane," Obama, an Illinois Democrat, said.

Mayhem and violence were not phenomena created by the disaster, Obama said. They have existed in inner cities across the country while the nation's political leaders have stood by, largely indifferent, he said.

''The violence has always been there. It just wasn't on your television screen because it wasn't spilling out onto the lives of the rest of us," said Obama, who lives in Chicago's South Side.

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''We want to ensure that people who've been displaced have opportunities to participate in the rebuilding of their own communities," Obama said.

From Obama urges alumni to help fight poverty: Gives speech at Harvard meeting of black grads

By Tracy Jan
on September 18, 2005

Link:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/09/18/obama_urges_alumni_to_help_fight_poverty?mode=PF


Check the article for the exchange between Miles LeBlanc and Senator Obama.


Peace.
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