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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:52 AM
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CSPAN Repub says: "Poor people need jobs, Poor people don't create jobs."
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 07:49 AM by CottonBear
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) is such an ass.

I suppose he's never heard of self-employment and small family businesses and micro-loans. I know of many poor people in my town who work in small businesses or who are self-employed.

He's babbling on about how great the economy is and how the tax cuts for the rich are important. He says tax cut are necessary to provide jobs for the poor.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:56 AM
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1. Rich people don't create jobs, either.
They offshore jobs.
They feed the political money machine to get more control.
They evade taxes.

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:58 AM
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2. You know what, you posted exactly what I was going to post. I can see
a big class war coming. It ain't gonna be pretty.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:07 AM
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8. You're right: class war is what's coming. That R-Rep. was so smug and mean
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 07:12 AM by CottonBear
and he made no effort to even try to be polite or parse his words carefully.

Unfortunately, there is that 30% of the voting public who completely agree with his viewpoint even if the Republican economic policies hurt them personally.

The Katrina disaster has uncovered deep-seated racism and class issues and brought them to the surface of our national discussion. I find it so very disturbing how the poor are being demonized and spat upon.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:26 AM
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13. Class War? Damn right it's a Class War
And it's not the poor who are firing the first shots. Hell, they're practically unarmed.

Thank God for consumer culture, otherwise there would have been a popular 'peasant's revolt' a long time ago.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:29 AM
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16. And credit
Because lets face it, Master Card and Visa are financing most people's standard of living these days.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:51 AM
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25. no, its a class-cleansing. Not much of a war at the moment.
the rich have wet dreams of concentration camps for the poor, of shoving them into ovens and gas rooms...the final solution.

6 years ago, when clinton was president, I would have thought anyone saying that, even in jest, was looney. Now I firmly believe it.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:57 AM
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40. I think it's been here for a little while
It's just becoming more visable.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:50 AM
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24. What he said...
Rich people don't create jobs, because that pesky payroll cuts into the profits.
So do taxes, which is why it's important to make Il Douche's tax cuts permament. It's important to the Yacht builders, too.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:54 AM
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26. self-delete
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 07:55 AM by BiggJawn
How'd this wind up here? It was supposed to be in the Cheney thread?
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:33 AM
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30. Right on!

And if THE GOVERNMENT gives them tax cuts, that's certainly no guarantee they'll use that money to create jobs in the US. They could, of course, but they may not. As you pointed out.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:38 AM
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31. To clarify: rich people use their wealth to create more wealth
(or to avoid giving up wealth as in the case of taxes).

If that happens to result in creating jobs (i.e. here in the USA), so be it. But it is certainly not a definite consequence of the activities of "rich people".
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:58 AM
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3. The rich need poor people to exploit.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:02 AM
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4. The rich people aren't creating jobs - they're pocketing the profit.
Then they're laying off their American workers and hiring overseas for even more profit.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:04 AM
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5. Jobs for the poor in India?
They certainly aren't creating any jobs in this country. Ask Rep. Hensarling what country he represents? If it's the United States, then this "trickle down" shit isn't working and never has, If he's representing the people of India, he's doing a fine job.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:06 AM
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6. need creates jobs....
No one hires someone he doesn't REALLY need, no matter how rich he is.

Supply-side is now, and has always been lipstick on the pig.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:06 AM
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7. that is a typical freeper dipshit
head in the f***ing sand; just repeats what his dittomasters tell him
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:08 AM
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9. I don't understand how they can keep saying this
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 07:15 AM by OnionPatch
When obviously it's not true. Tax cuts do not create jobs!!!! Where are all the jobs they have created with their massive tax cuts of the last five years? Where?!!!

What creates jobs is DEMAND for products. What creates demand, is more people working who can afford to buy those products. They have the whole thing backwards and the last five years pretty much proves it.

I think what they need is a Katrina jobs program, govt. funded (with money that would have gone to tax-cuts ) to jump-start the economy, much as FDR did decades ago.
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:18 AM
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11. So right!
Tax cuts indeed do not create jobs.

Where does that tax cut money the rich get go?

Usually to buy a new Escalade, a new Louis Vuitton bag & a Rolex, and a trip to Tahiti.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:40 AM
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21. Unfortunately, That's Not Good Enough
The problem with these idiots is that they don't understand that what makes an economy strong, vibrant and sustainable is a powerful, sizeable, and consistent middle class.

Not to sound hard hearted, but creating jobs for poor people is not economically sound. Someone poor is still going to be poor if they get a low wage job. They'll just be a little less so, as part of the WORKING POOR! The working poor are not going to be able to drive the economy because the total spendable income is just not high enough to drive the consumption element of the economy, and they don't pay enough in taxes to generate federal revenue.

The rich can't buy enough Escalades or Louis Vuitton bags and Rolex watches to sustain the economy.

So, to this moron from Texas: IT'S THE MIDDLE CLASS, STUPID!
The Professor
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:20 AM
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12. Another RWer called CSPAN & said NOLA proved the "Welfare Society" failed.
There is some White Dem Rep. from MS on now. He didn't rebut the man's comments. Rather, he said that MS didn't have a breakdown of civil society like NOLA. (i.e. "we don't have a lot of blacks here.")

Good god. Why do rich whites hate poor people so? It makes me sad for our country. :(
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:32 AM
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18. Those morans...
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 07:32 AM by Jamison
Don't they realize that most of the displaced in NO were working and not just "sitting around" on their duffs & drawing government benefits. A lot of them are still out there in new places desperately looking for work. These people would have no need for public assistance IMO if they could find work that pays more than $5.50/hr. Once again it's classism at work here.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:00 PM
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41. I think they know it's not true
They just keep repeating it to make it true in the freepers minds and for people who don't like the government. Then someone else repeats it and say "See? *Insert name here* said it's true so it must be true!"
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:16 AM
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10. I WONDER WHAT CONSTITUTES A "POOR" IN THE WAY OF THINKING OF SOME OF THESE
rich ASSHOLE REPUBLICANS?
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:27 AM
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15. I suppose anyone who makes less than they do is considered poor.
They think if you're poor that you are a failure and therefore not worthy of help.
It's very mean but that's exactly what they think.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:30 AM
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28. they seem to forget that HONESTY and INTEGRITY may, a man's riches, be
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:55 AM
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38. So I guess
that teachers are failures? Perfect republican logic.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:26 AM
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14. Oblivious...
They need to get in the streets of America and see all of the new businesses being formed out of necessity.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:33 AM
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19. There was a TV news report about 2 black gentlemen in NOLA who were
repairing tires for the NOLA police and emergency workers. The police had no cash, so the two businessmen were taking IOUs and trusting the police to pay them back when they got money. These two men were working under a tree on the grounds of what I'm assuming was their wrecked garage/used tire shop.

They were working hard, unlike *.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:31 AM
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Many poor people do have jobs - poor paying jobs,
part time jobs with to little health benefits etc - that's why even with two or three of such jobs those people are poor.

Supposedly the GOP's Trickle Down Economics would create jobs, which it did - even worse paying jobs, overseas. Thankyouverymuch.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:43 AM
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22. Remember how * praised that poor woman who told him she had 3 jobs?
It was at one of those staged social security events. He said something like she was a"real American" for working three jobs.
:grr:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:31 AM
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17. DeLay Clone...CSPAN's Carrying Water
This dude is a real work. Totally kool-aided and programmed to not think...just spew DeLay programmed talking points. The people who live in that asshole's district should sue for lack of services.

Of course, wingnut Steve lofts the dude softballs and quotes of of the Moonie times and just lets this runt babble on about how great the economy is and how tax cuts have to be kept and how the "recovery" has to come out of existing spending...translation: social spending (cause you know this scumbag would vote to INCREASE funding to more killing in Iraq and more corporate mercenary plundering).

Note how this shithead seperates the "recovery" from the rebuilding and had no clue on how any of this affects the defecits and in turn the economy. Clueless...but then his moron doesn't have to face reality...he's bought and paid for by the corporations and can bullshit and lie with a straight face...DeLay must be proud.

Then, in "fairness"...C-SPAN puts on the obligatory Democrat...almost always a DINO. Today: Gene Taylor. When was the last time a CBC member was on? Especially on this topic...
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:39 AM
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20. Hmmm. You're right. No CBC members have been on CSPAN lately.
They had CBC members and coverage of the CBC press conferences in the week after Katrina hit, but, since then, they've not made a repeat appearance.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:47 AM
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23. But the poor and middle do the work necessary to create surplus capital nt
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:24 AM
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32. ..do the work corporations *need* them to do in order to make profits
It's to bad so many workers don't benefit from the profits generated by their labor.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:59 AM
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27. Supply-side economics
has been denounced since the 1970's, but it makes the rich and TPTB feel better when they exploit the poor and working class.
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MsUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:31 AM
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29. I saw that, and didn't he have that smug look THEY all have??
Made me sick.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:27 AM
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33. IF they are SO worried about jobs, why are they allowing so
many of those JOBS to be outsourced... overseas?

Give me a break. :mad:



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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:35 AM
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34. If people had more money to spend they would create demand
None of these right wing one liners holds the whole story. They are used to help the wealthy make more money and sucker the working class into helping them.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:34 AM
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35. The poor do create jobs
Because there are so many of us. The poor by necessity spend every dollar, hell every penny that comes their way. Through the sheer numbers alone we spend more than rodney richpiggie, it's not trickle down economics it's raise up economics.
If the poor had been given a fraction of the money rodney got this economy would be booming along and the middle class would be strong and vibrant.
Something rodney doesn't want, or seem to understand that when you have a strong bottom you can build higher. TO THE BARRICADES.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:45 AM
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36. i like how he skipped right over the
Halliburton question when he was asked.


bastard.

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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:46 AM
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37. Poor people don't create jobs???
Neither do republicans

HA HA HA HA HA HA
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:57 AM
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39. Oh brother
I remember earlier this year when Clinton opened his library and there was this woman who spoke who went broke during Clinton's years. She got help with his walfare program and she was able to help open her own business and get her life together. She stated how now she employee's people who have been in her position to help them out.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:00 PM
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42. Demand creates jobs.
Of course you need investment to build infastructure to create supply for the demand or potential demand you may be anticipating, but giving out tax cuts alone will NOT create jobs unless a company believes the demand is there.

I believe strongly in a demand driven economy and a transaction based recovery during hard times. Get extra money into the hands of people who will spend it. In the past this might be tough do to high savings rates and people not spending but that certainly isn't the case today with US society. Get that money to joe average and let him work some trickle up!

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