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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:00 PM
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Rita down to 923 mb. Dropped 11 mb in 105 minutes.
This is a simply amazingly strong storm developing.

This WILL be Cat-5. Very close already!
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:00 PM
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1. Holy crap!
I'm hoping it hits Cat5 and starts to lose energy, but I'm not holding my breath... :(
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:01 PM
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3. The opposite is likely.
Just my gut feeling, but this could become the most intense storm ever recorded.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:05 PM
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8. Gee. and it's headed right for DeLay country
What a pity.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:06 PM
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12. I wonder if his refugees will think it's "fun"
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:07 PM
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15. Check out the Advisory #16 for Wind Speed: cat 5 forecast probabilities
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 01:16 PM by tiptoe
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:12 PM
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26. I REALLY hope you're wrong about this one
Nothing personal ;)

But you were on the mark about Katrina, and took quite a beating for it...
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:36 PM
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39. I have never wanted to be wrong more in my life.
:(
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:01 PM
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2. Time to go fill up the car before the next boost in gas prices. nt
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:29 PM
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32. I just filled up in Houston
Had to pass by two gas stations that had already run out. But I was exceptionally pleased that no gas stations around here are boosting their prices -- they sell it at the usual price, and when it's gone, it's gone.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:41 PM
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47. I just heard on a local radio show that prices are expected to go up to
an average of $5/gal after Rita hits.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:02 PM
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4. sheesh
it was 980-something when I left for work this mroning
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:04 PM
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5. This is simply amazing.
And there is plenty of warm water to feed on.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:09 PM
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21. hot water
88 degrees is hot.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:04 PM
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6. What was MB on Katrina before it hit the land? I forgot.
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 01:04 PM by Rainscents
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:42 PM
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49. Crazy low, I think around 908mb.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:05 PM
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7. Wasn't it 928 a while back
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 01:06 PM by maine_raptor
But then someone said that the recon plane's equipent was off and it was 934.

If the equipment was right all along, then it could be 917 by now!!!!

This is one MF of a storm. Don't take chances, in you are in the projected zone,GET OUT NOW!!!!!!!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:35 PM
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38. Dropsonde said 928.
Aircraft recorded 934. This reading was second aircraft pass.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:39 PM
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45. So the dropsonde could be right and the aircraft could be wrong
Whatever, this thing is growing in strength and fast too.

Bad Ju-Ju, very bad ju-ju!!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:47 PM
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51. Aircraft are more likely to be right.
But yes, either way this is crazy.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:49 PM
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53. And how many more hours will it be over open warm water?
If it slows down and soaks up some of that heat (energy), this could be the first Cat 6!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:03 PM
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59. Scale only runs to 5.
But maybe it will need revision.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:04 PM
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60. Yea, that's what I'm thinking
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:05 PM
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9. It's interesting that the oil states are getting hit by storms cooked in
the global warming that it so closely connected to the profits they've enjoyed.
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:32 PM
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34. I highly doubt very many of the
citizens are actually oil tycoons who have actually enjoyed those profits. As far as that line of thinking, then citizens of states like Michigan that manufacturer automobiles would be in the same category... These are all just *people* (well, except for the CEOs of these companies... ;)
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:36 PM
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40. I'm not saying anyone deserves it.
But New Orleans and Texas are states with large oil industries.

I don't think Alaska will be hit with a Typhoon, but they're seeing the snow melt.

The only think I'm commenting on is the zero-sumness of it all. You make a lot of money poluting the environment, and then you spend a lot of money suffering the repercussions.

I'm not so crazy to think, however, that the people who made all the money are the people suffering. The rich never get hurt. They're passing the costs on to people who never benefitted in the first place. The citizens of those states are losing two and three times. They were impoverished by governments which served the oil companies, they lost their jobs and property, and they and their children, no doubt, will pay the costs of all this.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:42 PM
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48. not quite WE will pay the costs of this
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:45 PM
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50. Yes. The rich and powerful (who made money from oil industry)
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 01:47 PM by 1932
never pay. The people pay twice and three times.

While people like Bush were getting rich (and buying off politicians), it was the rest of us who got saddled with bad governments in TX and nationally, and bad politics, and global warming, and its consequences.

It's just interesting that the first place this storms are hitting are the places where all this started -- oil states.

I made this same point, but in a much abriged form, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4835385#4839041
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:06 PM
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10. Stupid Question: What's mb?
My geeky nature reads that as megabytes which of course is nonsense in hurricane land. So help me out here.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:07 PM
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14. millibars (of mercury). "normal" atmosphere at sea level is ~1000mb
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:08 PM
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16. millibar
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 01:09 PM by Dudley_DUright
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:08 PM
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millibar
pressure.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:08 PM
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17. MB=Millibars - It is the measure of air pressure recorded by a barometer n
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:08 PM
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18. millibar
Normal pressure is 1013.25 mb, so it's almost 10% below normal which means that the air rushes in at great speeds to make the pressure equal.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:37 PM
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42. And fast moving air lowers the pressure.
It is a vicious cycle...
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:09 PM
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19. That's a smart question....
Good for you for asking. ;)
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:11 PM
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22. Thanks
You can't learn if you don't start at "I don't know".
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:10 PM
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61. thanks for asking
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:06 PM
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11. I don't know what the hell that means. How fast and how big?
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:12 PM
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23. try here for visual and probabilities
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:07 PM
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13. Where are you getting this? Can't find squat at NHC
11 Mb in 1.5 hours? Holy shit!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:09 PM
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20. It's actually at 920. 150mph
ZCZC MIATCUAT3 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
HURRICANE RITA TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
215 PM EDT WED SEP 21 2005

DATA FROM RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT RITA HAS INTENSIFIED
A LITTLE MORE AND WINDS HAVE REACHED 150 MPH WINDS WITH A MINIMUM
PRESSURE OF 920 MB. THIS MAKES RITA A STRONG CATEGORY FOUR
HURRICANE.

FORECASTER AVILA

$$
NNNN

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCUAT3+shtml/DDHHMM.shtml
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:12 PM
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25. Do you by chance know, lowest MB pressure for Katrina?
I don't remember.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:13 PM
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27. 90X I think
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:15 PM
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30. Thank you!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:14 PM
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28. I thought I remember hearing it got extremely low.
Like very near 900. The 905-910 range.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:18 PM
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31. Thank you!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:30 PM
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33. I remember 906 for some reason
Not certain, however.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:33 PM
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35. The official lowest pressure in Katrina was 902 mb
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 01:37 PM by Walt Starr
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:39 PM
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46. Lowest for Katrina was 902mb
From NHC website:

KATRINA BEGAN TO STRENGTHEN...
REACHING CATEGORY 5 STRENGTH ON 28 AUGUST ABOUT 250 MILES
SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER. KATRINA'S
WINDS REACHED THEIR PEAK INTENSITY OF 175 MPH WINDS AND THE
PRESSURE FELL TO 902 MB...THE FOURTH LOWEST PRESSURE ON RECORD...


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/tws/MIATWSAT_aug.shtml?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:39 PM
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44. That means it dropped more.
My source was not likely to have misquoted the recon aircraft.
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Tower Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:12 PM
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24. I hate to be so crass, but this is going to look very bad for Bush
no matter what happens.

If they respond quickly and competently, it'll highlight the difference in treatment between white Texans and black Louisianans. If they fuck up again... well... then they're just incompetent.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:14 PM
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29. OK by me
not that the storm is going to hit and cause damage... but I love a no-win situation for that bastard.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:34 PM
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36. I agree with you. It's a lose-lose situation for Junior.
If he responds, then he just showcases the fact that he could have - and did NOT - respond as quickly to Katrina.

If he doesn't respond, he looks more like a poser than ever.

Lose-lose. Unfortunately, everyone on the Gulf Coast loses, too.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:36 PM
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41. That's why they have Governor Goodhair out doing the pre-spin spin
He's been making the rounds saying he's not making the same mistakes as local officials did in Louisiana.

:eyes:
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:34 PM
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37. Wow! It was at 978mb this morning around 6:30 EST.
This thing is gaining strength fast!
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:38 PM
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43. 5 mph below Cat 5, special update from 20 min ago
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:48 PM
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52. "LATEST RECON INDICATES RITA IS A CAT 5 HURRICANE"
LATEST RECON INDICATES RITA IS A CAT 5 HURRICANE

The latest recon report indicated the pressure in Rita has fallen to 920 mb and the maximum flight level winds were over 175 mph. AccuWeather.com Meteorologist believe Rita has become a Cat 5 hurricane.

http://home.accuweather.com/index.asp?partner=accuweather
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:52 PM
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54. Wow, this is getting wild!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:56 PM
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56. That sucker looks like it's going to turn a little to the north to me.
Does anyone else see that little blip toward the north at the end of the satellite photo loop?
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:57 PM
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57. Probably just a wobble.
Happens all the time.
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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:55 PM
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55. This is starting to sound sort of like the Tour de France. At this rate..
it is going to be hors categorie (beyond category) soon.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:59 PM
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58. Pre emtively I called my Sentaor
and told them, look FEMA ain't gonna do squat and the Feds don't care, so pass this to the Texas delegtation, go mutual aid, you willnot ge anyting done by the Feds
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:04 PM
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62. Current satellite picture


This is a textbook picture of an intense hurricane. In fact, I believe this will be used in textbooks. This is a nearly perfectly organized specimen. And if you are in its path, get away. PLEASE.
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