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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:29 PM
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What da heck does "whistling past the graveyard" mean anyway?
I mean I've seen it in context many times, but I'm still not sure exactly what it means. I did an internet search and all kinds of POLITICAL rantings from both sides of the aisle came up, but I couldn't determine an exact meaning because it is used in such a variety of subtly different contexts.

What do people here think it means?
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:29 PM
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1. doing something to fool yourself that you aren't frightened
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:38 PM
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5. Yeah, that makes sense
It's the fooling oneself that makes it somewhat elusive...
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:33 PM
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2. hiding your fear
seems to me
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:33 PM
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3. In my parts, kids learn to hold their breath (???) when passing a
graveyard. Maybe it's the same idea, but instead of holding your breath you whistle? It's supposed to hold bad luck at bay. Whatever.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:36 PM
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4. Interesting - because it's used in a variety of contexts in politicospeak
It's a somewhat maleable definition from what i have gathered...
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:54 PM
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6. I'm sure this expression has a very interesting origin. I'd love to learn
it. It got me thinking though. Every time I dealt with the breath-holding act, we were in a car and we passed the cemetery pretty quickly. A long time ago, if someone was on foot or traveling by horseback, whistling would enable the passerby to still breathe during the encounter with the graveyard. Just my two cents.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:26 AM
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22. I guess it probably has an interesting history
some of which is based on superstitions, which are all rooted in fundamental human fears.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:58 PM
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7. Proving to yourself and others that you're not afraid no matter what
I don't go by graveyards very often, though.

;)
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:06 AM
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10. So the ultimate fear is death, so you "whistle" as to not think of it
It doesn't sound like a true lack of fear, only using a distraction allows one to "not see" the fear. Interesting.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:10 AM
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12. I guess it's kind of like this:
Bravery doesn't mean a lack of fear. Bravery means being afraid but going ahead with whatever you need to do, anyway. Whistling while you do it is both a distraction from the fear and a challenge to it (and anyone else who dares to believe you're afraid).

My take, anyway. :shrug:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:24 AM
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21. I like that definition
.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:03 AM
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8. Ignoring fate
avoiding the inevitable
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:18 AM
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19. You def implies you are ignoring your karma
like the inevitable is going to happen - maybe sooner than you think - you're just fooling yourself...
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:04 AM
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9. Engaging in frivolous activity to excise feeling of fear.
It might work, it might not.
:D
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:12 AM
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13. Meditation might be considered a "whistling" technique then
Maybe not frivolous though :D
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:08 AM
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11. Denial. Pretending that a threat does not exist,
but doing it in such a way that it is obvious the only person you are trying to fool is yourself and you aren't even doing that.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:14 AM
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15. The more defs I get, the more esoteric it seems
Fear is an amazing motivator...
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:14 AM
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14. Frivolously ignoring serious issues
Don Henley uses it that way in one of his songs. "If Dirt Were Dollars."

Walkin' like a millionaire
Smilin' like a king
He leaned his shopping cart against the wall
He said, I been a lot of places
And I seen a lot of things
But, sonny, I seen one thing that beats 'em all
I was flyin' back from Lubbock
I saw Jesus on the plane
...or maybe it was Elvis
You know, they kinda look the same
Hey, look out, Junior, you're steppin' on my bed
I said, I don't see nothin
He just glared at me and said,
If dirt were dollars
If dirt were dollars
If dirt were dollars
I wouldn't worry anymore
Lookin' like a beauty queen
Loyal as a wife
She raised her little voice and testified,
I am a good girl
I've been one all my life
But her virtue was as swollen as her pride
She should've had the Oscar
She must have been miscast
Her fifteen minutes went by so fast
I said, Now, baby, have you got no shame?
She just looked at me, uncomprehendingly
Like cows at a passing train
If dirt were dollars
If dirt were dollars
If dirt were dollars
I wouldn't worry anymore
We got the bully pulpit
And the poisoned pen
We got a press no better
Than the public men
This brave new world
Gone bad again
God's finest little creatures
Looking brave and strong
Whistling past the graveyard
Nothing can go wrong
Quoting from the scriptures
With patriotic tears
We got the same old men
With the same old fears
Standing at attention
Wrapped in stars and stripes
They hear the phantom drummers
And the nonexistent pipes
These days the buck stops nowhere
No one takes the blame
But evil is still evil
In anybody's name
If dirt were dollars
If dirt were dollars
If dirt were dollars
We'd all be in the black
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:16 AM
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16. It's not true strength then - kinda blissful ignorance
based on fooling oneself via a distraction...
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:16 AM
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17. You whistle a merry tune until BOOGA BOOGA and you get eaten. n/t
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:16 AM
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18. It's not to fool yourself, but others
The whistling "proves" you are not fearful. As for holding your breath, that is so "they" can't steal your breath/life out of you.

zalinda
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:21 AM
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20. Are you fooling others or both yourself and others (and Satan?)
This is a fascinating expression!! I can't nail it down!!
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 05:09 AM
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23. Here's a site that's always worth looking at for phrase explanations
: I was able to find the phrase, "Whistling in the graveyard," but could not find a meaning or origin. Any help?

This is as close as I can come on this one:

WHISTLE IN THE DARK - "Be cheerful or optimistic in a situation that doesn't warrant cheer or optimism. It is a great temptation to try to cheer oneself up by whistling or singing in a dark and lonely place. Sigmund Freud, in 'The Problem of Anxiety' (1925), had a thought on the practice: 'When the wayfarer whistles in the dark, he may be disavowing his timidity, but he does not see any the more clearer for doing so.' The notion that one should whistle in difficult circumstances to show that one is not concerned or frightened can be found in Robert Blair's 'The Grave; (1742): 'The Schoolboy.Whistling aloud to bear his Courage up.'" "The Dictionary of Cliches" by James Rogers (Ballantine Books, New York, 1985).

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/6/messages/370.html

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