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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:31 PM
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what is the deal with the ANSWER firestorm
Someone enlighten me.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:33 PM
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1. short answer:
some (not pointing any fingers) are PAID to CREATE a firestorm...

others just got a bitch about their politics.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:35 PM
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2. typical post-game analysis on DU.
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 10:35 PM by crispini
It goes like this:

1: Too much off-topic weirdness at that protest that had nothing to do with the war i.e. the Phillipines, Cuba, Free Mumia, etc.
1A: Answer's anti-semitic / Communist history / are they a RW front group?

2: It was a great protes; If you can put on a better protest, do it yourself.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. It was interesting at first but by now.... :boring:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:35 PM
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3. Reality pollution through disinformation.
It is the Bad Protestor Meme. Pay no attention. The protests were great, peaceful, full of love and displaying the true face of the people of this land.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:36 PM
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4. ANSWER has other agendas besides the Iraq war. Is that bad?
I dunno.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:37 PM
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5. Couch potatoes don't like communists, apparently
Pay no mind
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:39 PM
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6. After every protest...
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 10:39 PM by not systems
people swarm out and complain about it and how
Mumia ruined their whole day and that they saw a
Palestinian flag and had a bad day because of it.

Also the Red's are promoting an international Stalinist agenda
and they would rather stay home next time and watch Nascar.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:42 PM
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15. LMFAO!
:thumbsup:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:45 AM
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17. LOL
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 12:56 AM by Scurrilous
Hilarious synopsis.
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moddemny Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:39 PM
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7. There are two takes on it.....
in order to briefly summarize, some people don't like the scattered message and would like to stay on Iraq only others are repulsed by some of ANSWER's ideology. ANSWER believes Slobodan Milosevic should be freed and they support stalinist type regimes.

Some background in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4386849#4396795

Some ways ANSWER alienates certain groups

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4895425
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:18 PM
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8. There is no deal, it's utter bullshit.
Those of us who have been here a while have seen it before,
like the last time there were big anti-war demos.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:27 PM
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9. Didn't you read about it in Time magazine?
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:29 PM
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10. If you have to ask.......n/t
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:31 PM
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11. FUD
FEAR+UNCERTAINTY+DOUBT aka COINTELPRO

for the most part... try'n to rain on OUR PARADE :bounce:

Who's Streets?!?



OUR STREETS!!!



more...
http://GLobalFreePress.com

peace
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:33 PM
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12. A nice, complete explanation
First of all, as you can tell from examining the many posts at this site, many people pin on to ANSWER all their frustrations with Communism, including the well-founded horror stories that do indeed abound, from E Europe to China and E Asia.

But all of this misses the point. ANSWER is but one organization in a COALITION that sponsored these demonstrations. In fact, you hear almost nothing in the mainstream media about the MAIN coalition, United for Peace and Justice, itself composed of literally THOUSANDS of peace groups. So the focus on ANSWER -- a well-known Stalinist group that has in the past played a more central role in the recent (90's-00's) peace movement than it does today -- is simply a media focus on something that is journalistically a distortion in order to discredit the movement.

I would agree that, as a supporter of the peace movement and of the DC protests, if ANSWER were the leading or one of two or three leading groups organizing the protests, I would have a problem with that as I find their politics distasteful, and I know that their mass support within the movement, including the hundreds of thousands who went to DC and who protested elsewhere this weekend, is minimal. They would be lucky to count 1% of all the protestors as followers or adherents to their particular strain within the movement, even by the loosest of definitions.

Remember that in each election year, you have people like David Duke endorse the Republicans, and some groups that consider themselves Leninist (though fewer and fewer) endorse the Democrats. JFK was once asked by a leading mafioso what the latter could do to help him win the presidency -- JFK's famous response 'Tell everyone you are voting for my opponent'. In politics with broad coalitions, there are lots of different groups, and the thing to really look at (aside from analyzing how journalists do the job of justifying the lying by digging up any fact that can discredit progressive politics and trumpeting it, often distorting the facts as Rx) is the overall character of the movement. What percentage of the protestors, or of the leaders of the main broad coalition (UFPJ) are actually Leninists, let alone Stalinists (the latter theoretically a subset of the former). Not a whole lot. Most are independent socialists and populists of various sorts like myself.

Also, it is sheer stupidity to complain that in a huge rally, with events and feeder marches from the IMF that they 'stick to the subject'. Who died and made these protestators king of the demo? In fact, UFPJ included helping the victims of Katrina in its MAIN slogans for the march. The feeder march from the IMF protest had other focal points. The point is that the leadership of the peace movement focuses, as I believe they should, on the broader problem of something called IMPERIALISM, the 'i-word' that you don't hear much about in US politics but which is routinely a part of mainstream political discourse in Europe. Iraq didn't just come out of nowhere -- it is an example and manifestation of the disease of imperialism. And imperialism is linked with the issue of the IMF, and with the broad rubric of US intervention in and involvement in the Mideast. One of the main purposes of these demonstrations is to educate and enlighten participants who may only have come with a vague sense that the war was wrong. Given the whole schedule of weekend events, there was and is at such actions much that one can learn.

That said, there is something to be said for message discipline. Some or even many in the leadership may agree with the speaker who called for a free Palestine "from the river to the sea" but I don't think the majority of those in the City would agree with that (from one of the speeches). Broadening the focus of topics to a certain point is good -- protestations from various quarters to the contrary being something to dismiss as mere whining -- but you need to express a broad CONSENSUS of what people think rather than factional often more radical views that everyone is afraid to question. The point is that such things (as opposed to having a focus on related issues that some, merely looking for something to whine about, whine about) can indeed drive people away from the antiwar movement, as it reflects views opposed by the vast majority of the supporters of getting out of Iraq.

You didn't see anyone from ANSWER on the podium calling for the glories of Stalinism or giving a pro-Milosevic speech or anything, because THEIR crappola was kept disciplined.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:41 PM
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14. "ANSWER is but one organization in a COALITION" they r a coalition, too
and INTERNATIONAL as well, not just AMERICAN and why it is actually called INTERNATIONAL ANSWER coalition.

therefore, obviously, there is going to be a broad, yet, common, msg, coming from a COALITION.

I think it is a WASTE of time to try to hone it (the COALITION) to a single MSG, unless you start your own group, with it's own MSG(s)

the rest of it is FUD/MUD , imho, from the cheap seats :hi:

peace
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:40 PM
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13. some DUers just. don't. get. it.
i guess they're waiting for joe lieberman to sponsor an anti-war rally. :eyes:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:49 PM
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16. LOL !!!
:thumbsup:
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