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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 05:31 PM
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Was this going on when the Democrats were in power?
I was wondering. I really didn't pay attention to national politics til the installation of bushler. Margaret Carlson reveals the crony, incestuous relationship of everyone in Washington. I know every member of Cheney's family has a job in government (didn't they make up a job for one of his daughters?). Seems like all the senators and congressmens children are lobbyists. But let someone black get an extra dollar of food stamps, and everyone screeches like scalded cats.

"The unmasking of Brown may force Bush to withdraw the nomination of another pal of a pal to head up a crucial bureau, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, now part of Homeland Security. Pre-hurricane, Julie Myers, General Richard Myers's niece and the wife of the chief of staff of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, would have sailed through."
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lcordero2 Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 05:39 PM
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1. yeah
way back when, the way that I recollect is that there was some sort of financial institution in the House and in the Senate. There were millions of dollars that were unpaid and overdue in loans, people got pissed off and started voting them out. Gun control didn't help either.

This is one big reason why I don't want the DLC in power since having them in power is an ironclad guarantee for abuse and fraud.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 05:51 PM
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4. You ought to look up some facts...
Start with the Contract on America...(P.S.: Not a word about gun rights in it, either).

And you're utterly misrepresenting the so-called House Bank scandal which involved the grand total of......$200,000.

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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 05:56 PM
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6. isn't Marvin Bush a Democrat.. look what he did with the S&L's
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:22 PM
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12. S&Ls was Neil, not Marvin
Neil of the profit from NCLB Bushes.... Or is it Marvin making a killing from that?
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:23 PM
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13. i thought neal/neil bush was the s&l guy. eom
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:44 AM
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24. That was Silverado Neil Bush....
who bilked the American public out of more than a billion dollars and got away with it when his crooked Pop was in the White House.

Since then he's made the news due to his fondness for teen Asian hookers (paid for by business associates), his herpes (Bob Boudelang always makes a point of reminding you that he does not have the clap, so stop sayting that!), and for the phony foundation he set up in Geneva with the new Pope that seems to be laundering money (pious Neil set that up just before Pope Ratz sent a letter to American Catholics warning them they'd burn in hell if they voted for Kerry.)
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 12:20 PM
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29. I knew Bob would set me straight....LOL..but Neils a dumbocRAT
also i said what I recollected
as far as looking up facts, check yourself first before you try to check me.



Go away and don't bother me again.

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lcordero2 Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:06 PM
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8. You mean the Contract hit on America
Edited on Sat Oct-01-05 06:37 PM by lcordero2
according to Mr.Hancock here:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r102:H11MR2-316:

it was 10.8 MILLION dollars. 40+ members were voted out and 50+ members retired that year. I never so much as HEARD anything about the "Contract hit on America" until a couple of years ago. I did hear an awful lot about the AWB from 1994 on.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:46 AM
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25. Your link's as dead as Heston's brain...
"40+ members were voted out and 50+ members retired that year. I never so much as HEARD anything about the "Contract hit on America" until a couple of years ago."
Says it all, doesn't it.

"I did hear an awful lot about the AWB from 1994 on."
But only from the scum of the earth, like Larry Pratt and the gun lobby.
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lcordero2 Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:08 PM
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9. also i said what I recollected
as far as looking up facts, check yourself first before you try to check me.



Go away and don't bother me again.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:50 AM
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27. Hahahahaha....
Have somebody explain to you how a public forum works.

Twice.

Ver-r-r-r-ry slowly.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:14 PM
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18. Beware the dread number/name
Number/name + freeptalk + no profile = fits The Profile

:hi:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:15 PM
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19. Hehheh.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:29 PM
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20. And YOU! The ever enigmatic and slippery MM
:smoke:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:41 AM
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23. Typical of a gungeon habitue
This is one of those charmers who infest the gungeon, attacking every Democrat you've ever heard of and pissing and moaning about why can't we be just like the NRA Republicans.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:18 PM
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11. Perhaps you could be more specific, provide links etc. Link doesn't work.
Edited on Sat Oct-01-05 06:20 PM by Mayberry Machiavelli
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lcordero2 Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:38 PM
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15. when you hit the link and it doesn't come up
add a ":" at the end and try again. I tried to fix it but it didn't work.

Sorry
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:48 AM
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26. Remember, he's NEVER heard of the Contract on America
Not even a whisper....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 09:00 AM
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28. By the way, the Hancock he's trotted out as an expert is this charmer...
"Representative Mel Hancock (R-MO) has been even more forceful in repudiating his earlier support for the measure. "After taking a closer look at H.R. 1617 and Goals 2000, and reviewing the letter sent to me by our Missouri Republican representatives, it is obvious," said Hancock, "that the National Education Association, in cooperation with the socialistic segments of our government, are attempting to implement the Marxist theories of reeducating a society as part of a potential overthrow of our constitutional government - as advocated by Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin. "

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1996/vo12no15/vo12no15_education.htm

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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 12:47 PM
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32. Yeah I read dude's link.. it's just House testimony from this one dude,
without any context or anything, and I had to spend time googling around to even find out who it was.

The fact that dude (the powter, not Mel Hancock LOL) never even HEARD of Contract with America despite the fact that this was a CENTERPIECE of the Gingrich era says a lot...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:32 AM
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33. I know what you mean...
but he's heard of assault weapons (snicker)...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 05:46 PM
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2. There is a tendency to appoint those you know and trust.
Problem with the junta is, they only seem to know very loyal ditto heads who are also dumber than posts. That great if you want to micro-manage EVERYTHING and not have upper level people who can think. But in a large organization, you can't do that so it might be better to appoint people who can think and respond.

Clinton knew smarter people, made better appointments.

BUSHCO just wants yes men who will never question orders and make nice scapegoats. Sadly, that does NOT serve the greater good of the nation.
It does make crime easier to get away with.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 05:47 PM
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3. It really is a very corrupt system
There are so many jobs out there that everybody's family can have one.

When the Democratic Party was in control of everything, Dan Rostenkowski was the head of the House Ways and Means Committee and he went to prison, though he probably didn't do anything everyone else wasn't doing too.

Then there are the lobbyists in the family like Tom Daschle's wife. Can't legally give Daschle money? No problem, just hire his wife as a lobbyist instead. Same difference.

It does seem that when one party is in too long, they get a little too greedy about the abuse. It happened to the Dems in 1994 with the House banking scandal, and it looks like 12 years is about the limit as it looks like it's happening to the GOP about now.

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 05:53 PM
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5. The robber baron period-- late 1890s and the roaring twenties were the
worst in the last 120 years.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:12 PM
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10. House banking scandal??
That was NOTHING compared to paying the media, the no-bid contracts, crony appts., etc. Floating a check isn't even in the same ballpark. In addition, if Daschle were guilty of any favoritism because of his wife, they would have skinned him alive. We have to stop playing "there's enough blame to go around", because there is really no comparison. Republicans have always been off the chart when it comes to corruption.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:05 PM
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7. I smell popcorn!
:popcorn:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:23 PM
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14. And that's not all...
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:33 PM
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22. S'mores!
Big puffy sweetness
Melty shite-colored goo
Between two crackers

:evilgrin:
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:48 PM
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16. I don't think the Pubs
have a monopoly on cronyism. Or nepotism. Remember JFK and his brother Bobby? (don't flame me..I liked them both, but there was a lot of grumbling)

Politics is all about back scratching.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:21 PM
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17. Forget Bobby, how about Teddy
When JFK was elected president, Teddy was too young to fill his seat, so a family friend was appointed to fill the seat until Teddy turned of age so he could have his rightful senate seat handed to him.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:31 PM
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21. Jon Stuart "It took the Dems 40 years to become corrupt, it only took the
Republicans 5 years"
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 12:39 PM
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30. Power corrupts...
no matter the stripe.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 12:43 PM
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31. No question about it. - eom
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