News video re: OU bombing last night... is there a coverup?

Bush not wanting to look bad.... suicide bombing on our own soil?
you decide and post comments. I'd be interested in hearing what DU thinks.

http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=3925606&nav=menu99_1

Tim McV. and now this?

outside of a microbiology lab. And why would someone who just wanted to kill himself, plant two bombs?

He was a no-good shit coward who didn't have the guts to go to Washington where the people he hated were and instead came to MY town and blew up children.

I wish I believed in Hell so I could be satisfied he would burn for eternity.

In the area (OK, KS, AR) that were big on tax protests and general anti-gov't animus. McVeigh ran with that whole crowd and picked OKC as a soft target. Make a statement with not too much risk. Something that didn't get as much play as the Branch Davidian anniversary was that that morning a white supremacist (connections to the same groups) was executed in AR for murdering a guy he thought was a Jew. That whole bunch kind of had it in for the Feds in Oklahoma in general.

Don't you think that maybe I know about all of this stuff. Doesn't change my opinion of that fuck.

He was a chickenshit coward. I have a friend who will never be the same because he walked through the carnage ten minutes after it happened. The only thing he lost in it was his van which was parked in the lot across the street but I know in my heart that he lost more that day than just a vehicle.

To even slightly hint that there was any reason for Mcveigh targeting us sickens me.

Time for me to take a break for a while before I say something I will truly regret since I am sure you meant no harm.

Or any of the others like him (and there are way too many still out there). The kind of people that could do such things are beyond rational. Can still see that prick's face and that he was a "Gulf War hero" is enough evidence that this current fiasco must be ended now, not later. We can't take anything for granted when it comes to protecting against hateful people, regardless of their skin color, nationality, religious persuasion, or societal standing.

Am just lucky that no one in my family was directly harmed, but don't ever want it to happen to anyone again. We must always be on the alert because, sadly it can happen here.

AUGUST 12 2005:


Charles Dreyling was allowed to start classes this semester...
http://www.airportbusiness.com/article/article.jsp?id=3145&siteSection=5
Student Arrested at Airport Free to Resume Classes

He is lucky he has some connections here but really, he was just a stupid idiot who liked to play with souped up firecrackers and forgot he had one in his bag.

More and more I am getting a subtle sense that some people here think Oklahoma is responsible for Mcveigh.

That repulses me to no end.

I'm not saying McVeigh was Oklahoma's fault. I don't think he's relevant to this story, unless it's that there's a preponderance of strange stories recently that take place in Oklahoma.

Dreyling may have been a dumbass, but now the MSM sees 2 students from the same U. playing with fire(crackers).

How many other U. students, from which states, have been in the news concerning Explosives in Airports and Suicide by Bombing?

creepy
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seems like a suicide. A weird suicide but it seems very clear that is what it was.

As for the dumbass, we had a thread about it when it happened and yes, more than a few of us liked to blow stuff up when we were younger. It really was just a souped up firecracker and not C4 after all. :-)

And I apologise if I implied you were blaming us for Mcveigh. But the whole thread started with a what is it with Oklahoma thing and I am still, ten years later, very raw about Mcveigh. I imagine I will be till the day I die.

I was lucky that no one I knew at the time died or lost anyone in it. Later I met a man who lost his wife. But I was just 4 miles away and the sound it made and the sight of the smoke above the city are things I will never forget.

I was lucky that no one I knew at the time died or lost anyone in it. Later I met a man who lost his wife. But I was just 4 miles away and the sound it made and the sight of the smoke above the city are things I will never forget.

You are lucky. I'm very sorry that this happened to you and to your city. It was terrible and unjustified.

Ask the Sooners...

long. n/t

How many people actually commit suicide by blowing themselves up? And wtf is with the second bomb? This stinks of the foul stench of cover up.

'suicide' and the bomb squad detonates another device in another location?

What I want to know is the name of the person who committed 'suicide', where they are from, and their political affiliations.

At a football game? HMMMMMM. What was the name of that movie? Was it Black Sunday or something like that?

"Some 84,000 fans were not allowed to leave the game until late in the 4th quarter, after another sweep of the building. The bomb squad also swept the stadium before the game began and found no explosives inside. No one inside the stadium was injured."

Why was the stadium swept for bombs BEFORE the game? Is this now standard procedure for college football games? Sounds like they may have had a warning that something was going to happen. The "official" story sounds a little suspicious.

On edit: Also meant to mention the second explosive. What purpose does the second bomb serve if this was indeed an "individualized suicide"?

a weekly occurrence. The stadium even had on its security payroll a bomb detonation professional. I could be wrong but since 9/11 most stadiums do conduct some sort of security sweep prior to large gatherings.

I am scratching my head about this one though.

My son did some work for a TV station that was getting regular bomb threats for awhile. They never publicized it. That is standard procedure.

I worked at a library once that found a pipe bomb outside. Unfortunately, a local reporter was there to cover an event taking place at the library. The library administrator asked him and his editor not to publicize it. They understood, and did not.

.........certainly indicates that he planned to do more than just kill himself!!

Officials say the bomb detonated 100 yards west of the stadium near the George Lynn Cross Hall, Botany-Microbiology Building.

One hundred yards--that's well, the length of a football field!

I'm sure if this person had meant to hurt the football fans, he would have either gone to the game or denotated as they entered or left the stadium. I'd like to know a LOT more about this "victim"--if he had any connection to the lab, maybe he was trying to destroy something that was going on in it!

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rocknation

Anyone know what's studied there?

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edit: http://www.ou.edu/cas/botany-micro/

and in a part of campus that would have been thoroughly empty at that point in the game. For sheer numbers, there would have been hundreds, thousands perhaps, in a bar/restaurant/bookstore parking lot on the SE corner of the stadium.

As someone in the LBN thread pointed out, it could have been a premature detonation though. Thousands of OU fans leave the stadium for halftime, with many going to the aforementioned parking lot to buy beer before returning for the second half. Since the explosion occurred late in the second quarter, it seems plausible to think the bomber was on his way there :shrug: :scared:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1820648

The sheeple believe he has kept them safe on their own soil...

Yes, I've read they did sweep the stadium before the game... seems like someone suspected something.

You hear of many attacks gone awry in Israel. The bomb detonates prematurely... this could have happened. I don't think we'll ever know the truth. The university doesn't want to lose students/money/funding...and bush doesn't want a suicide bombing, or even a potential one on american soil.

unless there is hard evidence that points to it.

Most likely the bomb builder fucked-up and took himself out in the process.

Secondary devices are almost usually meant to kill or injure law enforcement and emergency personnel responding to the scene. Rudolph Eric pulled that stunt.

Who knows if there's any significance to the micro biology lab.

Depending on what sort of research or activity was taking place, the bomber could have been some sort of anti-abortion, eco-terrorist type or someone upset about a grade they recieved.

He blew up an abortion clinic and when everyone rushed outside a second bomb went off. The delay between the first and second denotations allowed time for the first responders and the media to get there.


I guess the questions I have are:
What direction was he heading?
Where was the second device found?
What types of devices were they?
Who is he and what affiliation (if any) does he have with OU?
What type of research is conducted at the biolab?
and is there anything that the Gaylord family will not put is name on?

......last night I was just casually watching the news,as I usually do and I saw this story. I couldn't believe it!!

I mean, a suicide bomber in Oklahoma? Even if he only intended to kill himself, that would be a terrible way to die!!

an Arab. That would be news.

He can't even handle Katrina four days after it hit and after lots of advance warning, and he and Perry still fouled up Rita. Yet somehow you think he can decisively organize and command a coverup in minutes, in the night in the middle of one of his lost weekends?

Get real.

or, more accurately, the family has OU connections--current president David Boren was chair of the Senate Intel committee in the 80s, and so knows poppy bush well (brought him for OU's commencement speaker a few years back).

As we wait for further developments, there is no reason to ascribe this to anything except an incompetent bomber and a probable suicidal bomber. The bomber may have planned a crime involving mass murder (up to say a dozen people) at the entrance to the stadium, or maybe some political protest against the bio lab or it may have been a suicide.

At this time there is no evidence to link this to anything else, and anyone who does so in the absence of evidence is writing fiction (unvarnished speculation) or is a fool.

Nail Bush to the wall on real shit. But spouting everything being his fault or trying to connect him to everything makes Dems just look freeking looney.

That siad, I am waiting for more info... and my first guess is this is a suicide by an American. But waiting to get more information.

The president of OU is former Okie repuke Senator David Boren. I'll let you do your own research regarding his connections to George Tenet and others.

I too live in JOklahoma and have heard no media coverage regarding the identity of the deceased bomber. Nothing that would indicate any type of affiliation with the university - or lack thereof - or any possible motive. The timing and location of the explosion combined with the presence of a second bomb suggests this was more than a simple suicide.

I would assume that a bomb sweep prior to the game was fairly routine.

Albeit a moderate one. No liberal, certainly, but not Zell Miller, either. His connections to Tenet and others in the intelligence community (including poppa bush) are strong and real, though.

My bad.

I met him once many years ago while he was still in the Senate. Guy gave me the willies big time.

garage (which is adjacent to the stadium). Reports I heard last night (on an OU football message board and through the AP story) said they found additional explosives at the sight of the blast. I wonder which (if either) is accurate.

Just standard police practice to be safe.

Details are coming way too slow. There has to be a note for them to be this certain it was a suicide. Hopefully we will know more tomorrow.

They think they may have found more explosives at his apartment. I think they have already dealt with it.

All indications are that he was a troubled man and it is just a suicide and not terrorist related.

I heard it on the news so didn't have a clue how it was spelled
Now I hear that his father didn't have a clue that anything was wrong.

I have yet to see anything that explains how they know it was just a suicide.

I'm stuck on the couch with a sprained ankle and CNN has been on the TV since 10:30 this morning until midnight tonight. Nothing has been mentioned about this incident at all.

but I would like to ask some of the okies in this thread about the other bombing. McVeigh was a dumbass in my opinion, but have to wonder what deeper stories there were.
Please don your :tinfoilhat:
There was a story that tried to explain John Doe #2. George the first supposedly brought over 5,000 Iraqis after his ill concieved war and that somehow this is the connection of Clinton and Poppy. They had to cover up the real truth to the bombing with the hate radio militia guys. I don't have all the details, but there is a lady (Gina Davis comes to mind, but I may be wrong) that has dug very deeply into the story. Also there are the links to the hatred of ATF after the Waco deal.
What does anyone think?
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We exited Oklahoma following the bombing -- for several reasons I won't go into here.

I was working in an office building in Stillwater, OK on the morning of the bombing. When the call was sent out for medical folks, a family friend who was an RN swung by and picked me up (I was a certified nurse assistant). We arrived at the site shortly after one of the subsequent bomb scares that sent rescue squads running from the scene (the one that all the news stations covered).

What wasn't covered -- at least not after that first crazy, confused time zone right after the blast -- was that items were removed from the federal building and that many trained professionals (fire fighters, FBI agents, etc.) reported odors indicating a different sort of bomb than the one in the Ryder truck. OKC Police Chief Bill Martin is on tape stating that one of the bombs found inside the building was Mercury Fulminate (military stuff).

There was also a missle - TOW antitank missile - that was stored in the federal building, in the floors right above the daycare center. It was recovered from the rubble and removed from the scene. This was done while all rescue and support people (like me) were removed from the area.

Again, later in the day... around 4 p.m. or so... all of the rescue workers were again removed from the scene. FBI agents came in and we were told they were checking the area for biological components. When they left, they were carrying boxes of full file folders. It was odd because there had been men in suits and ties all morning long gathering up documents (instead of helping the wounded or assisting in the rescue efforts).

In addition, it is now believed that John Doe #2 was Hussain Hashem Al-Hussaini. (You can google and compare the drawing to his photo.)
Two of the alledged 9-11 hijackers were at the same hotel as McVeigh - Mohammed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi. Another person of interest - Zacarias Moussaoui, arrested here in Iowa after 9-11 - was also present. (Yet, no one has questioned him about this - at least not in open court/open record.)

Finally, there are affidavits by witnesses to all of these things and more -- two guys rushing away from the building right after the blast. They had walkie-talkies. The book written in 1991 (4 years prior to the event) by Okla. Gov. Keating's brother which outlines the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma. The culprit in his book is Tom McVey -- caught by a busted tail-light. (No, I'm not shitting you!)

I want to stress here that I'm not saying McVeigh is innocent. I simply don't think he is the master-mind we've all been led to believe.

;)