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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 03:21 PM
Original message
To Howard Dean re Cindy Sheehan's question
Edited on Sun Oct-02-05 03:39 PM by yurbud
After seeing Cindy's video comments about her meeting with Howard, I think this is necessary.



October 2, 2005

Howard Dean
Chairman
Democratic National Committee
430 S. Capitol St. SE
Washington, DC 20003

Gov. Dean,

Cindy Sheehan has asked you and Republicans and Democrats in Congress a simple question, "What noble cause did my son die for?" and you did not answer in any meaningful way.

I supported you in the primaries in 2004, for chair of the DNC, and signed up for your democracy bonds because I believed you told the truth to us in the presidential campaign, and have been one of the few Democrats to consistently stand and tell the truth in the face of GOP lies and threats.

We need you to answer Cindy Sheehan's question and tell the truth about why we went to war in Iraq.



The reasons that I have pieced together from reading PNAC documents, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jay Garner's comments on his time running Iraq, and the State Department documents leaked to journalist Greg Palast:


  • Gain secure access to Iraq's oil as the world's supply begins to decline

  • Military bases to influence, intimidate, and invade other oil-producing countries in the region

  • Privatization of Iraq's oil & contracts to pump it to Americans rather than French & Russian oil companies

    The BBC has already done a lot of work on the oil motive for you. You can see a timeline of the meetings and relevant documents at
    http://www.gregpalast.com/iraqmeetingstimeline.html

  • Prevent Iraq & OPEC countries from trading oil in Euros instead of dollars

  • Put money in the pockets of contractors as is also done through the Third World debt scam

  • Eliminate a perceived threat to Israel



Some of these are at least arguably in our national interest, others amount to criminal corruption. Tell us which it was, or which swayed you, so we can decide if it was worth it, and be in on these decisions that affect all of our lives, and don't insult my intelligence by calling it "conspiracy theories" or by saying one god damn word about these things that are proven bullshit:

  • Weapons of Mass Destruction
    Saddam didn't have the dreaded WMDs and even if he did, he would not be stupid enough to use them against us or give them to someone who did and risk the complete destruction of Iraq with a fraction of our thousands of nukes. Saddam was evil but not stupid. You are old enough to have lived through the Cold War, and should have known this without anyone telling you.

    The Downing Street Minutes indicate the Bush people knew that threat was a lie anyway.

  • Terrorism
    Likewise, even President Bush was forced to admit on at least two occasions, including the 2004 presidential debates that Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11. As the Joint Congressional Inquiry found, the 9/11 terrorists were funded and given logistical support by our allies, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, who far from being punished, seem to have profited from the attacks with closer ties to us.

  • Spreading Democracy
    While the pro-democracy argument is an after-thought at best, opinions of the Iraqis themselves show that it too is a lie. The Bush appointed CPA polled Iraqi's in the Spring of 2004 and found that 86% wanted us to leave after the January 2004 elections at the latest.

    A third of the current Iraqis legislators have signed a letter asking us to withdraw, and one of our favorite whipping boys over there, Muqtada al Sadr, was able to collect a million signatures on a petition asking us to leave. That's democracy, and you and Bush are ignoring it.

    General Garner was fired for calling for early elections, and the resumes of the Bush foreign policy team and our other current relationships with brutal dictators in Central Asia and the Arab world, including shipping prisoners to them to be tortured, shows that they do not care about human rights or anything of the kind at all.

    If we truly wanted to spread democracy in the Middle East, we could do it far more cheaply in tax dollars and lives by ending our support of dictatorships in countries like Pakistan, Egypt, and especially Saudi Arabia.

    Additionally, the Bush administration has removed the democratically elected president of Haiti, and backed a coup and recall against the elected president of Venezuela, proving that business interests trump the pro-democracy rhetoric. The president's political ally Pat Robertson has even called for Chavez's assassination. Chavez's only sin is wanting to use his country's oil wealth to actually help the poor and middle class there, and his only threat to us is to provide discounted fuel to hospitals and the poor, or, god forbid, send doctors to help the uninsured, something our government and the public college I work for hasn't seen fit to do.

Howard, we didn't support you to become DNC chair just so you could lie to us and shine us on like the Bidens and Liebermans of the party.

I am ashamed and embarrassed that I find out more about what my government is doing by going to the BBC website or reading foreign newspapers than I can from the one I can buy at the corner--or from YOU.

I don't think most elected Democrats are stupid, gullible, or cowardly, so if they are supporting the war or remaining silent, I can only conclude they have a financial interest in it, and their loyalty lies exclusively with corporate America and not in any meaningful way with the American people.

You still have time to do the right thing. Whenever you open your mouth about Iraq, the first thing you should say is:

As the world's oil supply begins to decline, they wanted to make sure American companies control the spigot.



This would put the republicans on the defensive and shift the debate to our real problem of how business corrupts our foreign policy.


Frankly, if our elected officials refuse to talk publicly about the real issues driving our policy but instead have the real debate behind closed doors, we don't have a democracy, and the American people are starting to figure this out.


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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 03:54 PM
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1. Well stated. How do we get Howard to read and respond to this?
I was beyond disgusted that not one Democratic Senator was on that platform in DC last week. Not one word about the 500,000+ Americans marching for peace and withdrawal in Iraq. I heard a rumor that Kucinich was there but it was not mentioned in the limited press I could find. He did not, as far as I know, speak publicly .

So where were the others? Where was Dean? Were was Russ Feingold? Where was Senator Boxer? Where is Ted Kennedy? John Kerry? Don't they realize that WE are the majority now- that this IS the voice of the people and that standing up for a policy based on lies that caused and continue to cause unnecessary deaths and destruction would be cheered by millions?

No Greens either I might add. What's with the silence?

Where is our leadership? Are they so terrified by the neocon that they are forced to hide in fear? Are they so out of touch with the American public (and those of us who elected them in the first place) that they did not notice the massive gathering last week?


I'm so sick of it all it's become almost unbearable...
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 04:00 PM
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2. noble cause = fighting terrorism
I know Cindy lost her son, but the answer is right in front of us all.

All soldiers die while defending our freedom. Casey died for the noble cause of our freedom.

Could sanctions and inspections kept us free from WMD? Yes.
Could we allow Iraq to comply with the UN inspections 96% of the time, and not require 100% compliance? Perhaps not.
Did 41Bush run a better Gulf War? Yes.

Is there leadership outside of Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich? not really.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 04:25 PM
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4. you're kidding right? I addressed those in my letter
I don't know how old you are, but if you are old enough to remember the Cold War, you would know that no nation will use nukes against us because of the certain overwhelming retaliation.

We were worried about Saddam having nukes, if at all, because it narrowed our options for coercing or invading him, nothing else.

No terrorist group or even nation could invade and occuppy the US and take away your freedom--look at the trouble we are having sitting on a much smaller nation, Iraq. Do you suppose that another country would have an easier time occuppying us? Let alone getting a foothold here in the first place?

Papa Bush at least had the courtesy of telling us something like the real reasons up front--we can't have one guy controlling so much of the world's oil and potentially threatening our buddies the Saudis.

When that didn't sell, they went to the next Hitler pitch with the stolen incubators and all that.

I love Bernie and Dennis, but don't forget the black caucus they have been fighting for us pretty consistently.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 04:39 PM
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6. I wasn't kidding.
After 9-11-01, we could allow Iraq to be even 5% out of compliance with the UN.

Now, our troops are dying. They are dying so that "we can fight terrorism, and remain free".

This mentality will continue until the USA says "no" to easy answers.

There was no good reason to go back to Iraq. Until we reject "easy" answers, violence will beget violence.

Now, we need an exit strategy. We need to clearly state when it will be "okay" to exit. What does Bush feel needs to be done in order to exit Iraq?

Short of the second coming, I really don't know.

ps- GOD BLESS THE BLACK CAUCUS!.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. the Neocon plan is to NOT exit until last drop of gas pumped
The WMD issue was an excuse not a reason as even Wolfowitz acknowledged in his Vanity Fair interview (and later recanted).


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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. We need to hear an exit strategy
Bush needs to come clean about what is worth our blood...

This war ain't worth it.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. I was glad that it was "we the people" out there
I wouldn't want it to turn into "Justice Sunday" or something.

I guess if you want Howard to read that, then you may need to send it more than once. Or have a bunch of people send something similar.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. feel free to copy and paste
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. There would be a far greater chance if the rally wasn't ANSWER's
Any politician would be crazy to appear on that stage. One reason politicians in great numbers went to the mall in 1971 to join VVAW was that Kerry fought NOT to have any celebrities and the focus was end the war and treat the soldiers right. That and the fact that they had an articulate leader who was not sprouting embarrassing LW slogans made it possible for them to support the cause.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:50 PM
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9. Yeah, Howard, why aren't you doing
everything single handedly??? You should be flying around the country helping to build state and county parties, doing fundraisers, supporting candidates and speaking in every media outlet on every topic of interest to us Dems. WTF?? You slacker.

:sarcasm:

I can always tell who has no idea of what a leadership position in the party is like.

Julie
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Good point Julie.
As DNC Chair, Dean was told by Pelosi and Reid that he can not make policy.

Dean did not support the 2003 Iraq War, but he's not a pure pacifist nor is he a warmonger. He still believes that the world is still too dangerous to not use the military in some instances. And Dean did say that he would never have sent our military into harm's way and lied to the American people about why.

In regards to Iraq, he said during the primary that once we removed Saddam, we had a moral obligation to rebuild Iraq. In the early aftermath of Saddam's downfall, we had the best opportunity to rebuild Iraq to be at least a neutral ally, but Bush screwed it up and I believe that Iraq is not longer "savageable." I no longer agree with Dean that we must stay and "fix" Iraq, but unlike some on the far Left, Dean did not jump on the "stay the course" mantra after becoming DNC Chair. That was his position during the primary. I do know from his brother Jim, that Howard does want our troops out as soon as possible, but Howard fears Iraq becoming a greater security threat to the US if we leave immediately and that is his reasoning for keeping troops in Iraq.

Since Howard is not in a position to make policy, it's not right to bash him for his stance. The pressure needs to be put on Pelosi, Reid and the Dems who are running for the 2008 Prez nomination.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #10
30. Thanks Larkspur
Sometimes I marvel at teh amazingly unrealistic expectations folks have of this mere mortal.

I'd like to see this fire aimed at those who supported the war. Shit Dean cathces hell for firing at Rethugs, can you imagine if he started taking aim at the capitulating Dems?

Hope it's all good in your world. :toast:

Julie
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:12 PM
Response to Original message
11. Yeah, Howard. Why did you support the war? You didn't?
You opposed it?

Oh.

Nevermind.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. He is the one some groups plan to go after....though he opposed it.
I had a post on this, as it made me furious how he was made fun of after his meeting with Cindy. He wrote a nice diary about her, she laughed at his attempt to explain to her how he was trying to build the party.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:45 PM
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21. I disagree with your characterization of Cindy 'making fun' of Dean.
In another thread you characterized Cindy's comments as "mocking".

To me, this is an extreme characterization.

Let me say that I understand how important it is that there be unity within the Democratic party. But Cindy, who is simply a citizen, not a politician, is criticising not only Howard Dean, but the whole congress and specifically Democrats within congress out of her frustration with what is going on. This is a strongly felt frustration that is shared by many people--including myself. If you watch the video and listen to the reaction to Cindy's comments, you hear that frustration expressed quite clearly. It isn't so much Cindy but the crowd; everyone is just FED UP with milk-toast Democrats who repeatedly REFULSE to step up to the plate and take a leadership role by speaking truth to power as she is.

Here is a transcript of part of what Cindy says in the video. This is my transcript and may not be 100% accurate, but I've checked it a couple times. I encourage everyone to listen to the video (link below) and make up their own mind:


And so I was meeting with the chairman of the Democratic National Commitee last night. And this is a man who in previous times had a backbone. And, he, I told him, you know its truly sad, if you have a Republican runinng and some of you act like a Republican, you might as well vote for the Republican. And he said, 'You know, I've said that before, too.'

I don't know if they are just trying to be ironic or what.

And so I told him, you know, I'm not a political strategist at all. I'm just somebody who cares about my country and sees what went wrong. You know, I saw John Kerry totally go yellow on this war and he lost the election. And I know if he had come out and said, 'I'm against this war, George Bush lied, I made the most terrible mistake of my life when I voted to give him authority to go to war, and if you elect me I will do everything in my power to bring the troops home,' I believe he would have won in a landslide and they couldn't have cheated.

You know, the Republican's job are to keep them (elections) close enough so they can cheat and go over the hump. Our jobs are to be courageous and stand for something and we will like landslide to victory in 2006. And that's just me, a mom from California talking, that doesn't know anyting.

And so, that's what I told Dean. And he said, 'Oh, we're going to make this contract with America and we're going to have ten points and the first point is going to be about universal health care'--which is so important. But I looked at him and I said is the (Iraq) war going to be on your list? And he said, 'Well its going to be on there somewhere but we don't know what to do with it because it is so hard'. I then I said hire me because I don't think its that hard!

Why? Why, why, why, why, why, why?

Why aren't they stepping up and taking the leadership that's leading our country out of this mess? You know, George Bush made this mess. George Bush made the mess in Iraq. George Bush contributed to the devistation in the Gulf States of Katrina because of this mess in Iraq. Why aren't the Democrats and our elected officials making those connections and hammering those Republicans? If they did that we would landslide into victory in 2006. We only need 12 seats. Tweleve seats and then when we get those twelve seates, if George Bush is still there, we can start talking about Impeachment.


Link to video: http://www.archive.org/download/ToddSmythUDC092505UDC0925050wmv/UDC0925050.wmv
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. I have said I would like to hear other people who were there speak up.
I believe there was a lot more to the discussion than was said on the video. If I am right, then it is not fair to laugh when given a chance to meet with leaders. I believe he said more, and I think it might have been taken out of context.

Incidentally, I support Cindy's cause. I am anti-war, and I want us out of Iraq. But I also support rebuilding the party, not bringing down the chairman who was one of the few to oppose it.

There are right ways and wrong ways. I am entitled to my view.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. And he told her was trying to build a contract for america...
And she laughed. Building the party is tough work, it should not be a laughing, chuckling, matter.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. She didn't laugh. Where do you get that? You hear the groans from the
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 06:00 PM by Beam Me Up
audience and you can hear the frustration in her voice...she is asking about the war in Iraq. Not that the other issues aren't important, she is making a point. THE WAR IN IRAQ IS WHAT IS GOING TO GET US THE LAND SLIDE. This is what she believes -- whether she is right or wrong about that is quite another matter. Like her, I'm not a political strategist either. But I've been watching. I worked very hard to get John Kerry elected -- even though he wasn't my #1 choice. I talked with a LOT of people and I can't tell you how many of them felt that JK and the Democrats in general WERE NOT A REAL OPPOSITION to the Republicans. The point Cindy is making and the point many people are making is that the Democrats are NOT going to win land-slide elections UNTIL they begin to speak out lound and strong aginst Bush policies, ESPECIALLY the war in Iraq.

That isn't belitteling, that isn't mocking, that isn't laughing at, that isn't making fun of: that is telling it like we see it.

Like you, I would like to hear other people's impressions from the meeting with Dean.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Then we saw two different videos.
She expects the chairman of the party to go against the leaders of the party in congress. Ok, that would be nice.

What do you think would happen if he did their job before having time to rebuild the party enough to get it out of the corporate hands?

Please think about this. All the pressure you guys are putting on one man who can't do anything is just too much.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. MF: I appreciate your defense of Howard Dean. You may be right,
perhaps Cindy Sheehan and the PDA are coming on too strong.

The problem is, many of us feel very frustrated by what is going on in our country and the Democratic response to what is going on. People are dieing. People are dieing. American service men and women, Iraqi men women and children, poor people in this country -- and given that the Bush administration are a threat to our national security (Al Gore said so, Joseph Willson said so), how many MORE people are going to die? So, for me, and for many people, this is way beyond politics as usual here.

I understand, pulling the Democratic party down before Howard Dean has the chance to pull it together isn't going to help the situation. You are right about that. Like you, although I wish there were a strong progressive party, I am skeptical of third parties, and am weary of any attempt at this point to build one. But there IS a very very strong feeling shared by a lot of people in this country that sees the Democrats as being PART of the problem. Do you not see this?

I don't know. I give up. I won't contradict you any further. I'm just so sick and tired of Democrats going along to get along. Thank god my congresswoman is Barbara Lee!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. Yes, I agree Democrats are part of the problem.
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 06:20 PM by madfloridian
There is a difference though in what congressmen can do and what the chairman does. He is on thin ice. He may be centrist and moderate, but he is trying to change the dependence on the corporations. Until he does, his position is precarious.

I am very frustrated. I am anti-war, pro-choice, and I feel very frustrated. I just don't think strong arm tactics against a man who basically shares our view is very wise.

There are other ways to go about it than using him as the whipping boy. If he is asked to step down as chair, there are no other good options.

And thanks for the thoughtful response.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. That was then...
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. So the glass gets broken, pieces all over the floor...
...he's picking up the pieces and we're supposed to ask, "Why did you break the glass?"

He didn't break the glass.

We've got to get over the idea that anyone who doesn't support immediate full scale withdrawal is complicit. The staged withdrawal people have valid points, too.

And Cindy Sheehan, I love her, but she's not the second coming.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. "And Cindy Sheehan, I love her, but she's not the second coming"
Neither is Howard.

Amazing where cults of personality will take people.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Well, well.
Now we are going there, are we?

Amazing. I wonder if all the people in your group really truly like the way some of you are undermining the chairman you endorsed.

Probably they do. I heard all the snickering on the video. You can call it cult of whaever you wish, some will adore you for it....but you know deep down you are hurting the party itself.

This is NOT about a cult of personality. It is what your group is trying to do to the party when it is just getting organized. It is deliberate and planned. It is tied to the Greens and Kucinich, and it is about trying to form a 3rd party.

You can call it holding feet to the fire, and I have heard it called other names. It is about bringing down the party.

Go ahead and form your third party. I have asked this before, and I ask it again. Who will be your leader? Nader, Kucinich, who?

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. You
will be our leader.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #20
32. Hey, Will, kettle is calling you
Kerry fanatics are some of the worse of the "cultists of personality."
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Thanks for the "I know you are but what am I"
elevation of discourse.

:eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. Will, we all know what is going on now.
Howard Dean is your target. He is supposed to be exactly what PDA wants him to be or they write articles like Is Dean Drunk, and they laugh when he tries to explain his goals to rebuild the party.

We understand.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:18 PM
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13. do you have a link to this video? n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:26 PM
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16. Here you go.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:21 PM
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15. Howard Dean never claimed this war was noble.
But I understand your frustration.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:52 PM
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24. I agree with your sentiments BUT you have the WRONG addressee.
This needs to go to REID and PELOSI.

Although I understand why you felt like writing to Howard--because you know he WILL speak the truth. And because you know you WILL get an answer. That's why you felt so comfortable using his first name.
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