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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 07:53 PM
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Can Bush Be Ousted? (you bet)
(this is a great piece from Consortiumnews.com -- this isn't a spectator sport. it's OUR country. it's still about voting and winning elections. i like the idea of a DEM SLATE -- a vote for Dems is a vote AGAINST Bush. the 2006 midterms are on the horizon. we must do the work now. every DU'er needs to be checking in on the Election Reform threads and get familiar with voting issues closest to you. no more ohios. no more floridas. no more new mexicos. every vote counted and every vote a vote against CORRUPTION and EXTREMISM. -- brook)


Can Bush Be Ousted?
By Robert Parry

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/093005.html

Can American voters impose any meaningful accountability on George W. Bush, including possibly removing him and his team from office?

That’s a question – implicit in our recent stories about his administration’s failures – that has attracted skepticism from some readers. Several have sent e-mails expressing strong doubts that anything at all can be achieved through the electoral process, given the cowardice of the Democratic Party and the complicity of the mainstream news media.

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What If?
What if the voters acted independently to defeat as many Republicans as possible, not just to put more Democrats in office, but to send a message to both parties that the extremism, the trickery and the corruption personified by the neoconservatives now in charge of the Republican Party will no longer be tolerated?

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Without doubt, these questions don’t fit within today’s conventional wisdom. They don’t reflect the tendency toward modern spectator-sport politics where citizens root for a candidate the way fans cheer for a football team, albeit with a lot more passion for the football team.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 07:54 PM
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1. Not enough. What can we do to remove his money machine?
They'll profit for years even if he's gone.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 09:17 PM
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11. get control of the house/senate and cancel the contracts...
we have a military that needs the money more. damn, if we had that money back we could clean some shit up, pronto.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 12:16 AM
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16. Break up the media monopolies and clean up the election process.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:12 PM
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29. Speaking of the fox controlling the hen house, the new SCOTUS nominee...
..is a general partner in a Dallas oil firm. Speaking of BushCo stacking the deck for their profit machine...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=ax.H5m9e6Cew&refer=top_world_news

"Investments include stock worth between $1,001 and $15,000 in HM Investments, an oil and gas firm based in Dallas, of which she is a general partner."

Gas and oil, hahaha. Haha.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 07:55 PM
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2. We'll never know unless we ALL believe it and work for it
so LET'S GO!!!

:patriot:

Kick and recommended!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:00 PM
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3. we must have the "vision" -- we have to own this
they aren't invincible. in fact they are quite vulnerable right now. we're talking classic american corruption which *should* beget a classic american revolt. it's not unheard of. it's our history.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:04 PM
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4. Yep - it is our history, and it is our duty
It's time to take it back!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:16 PM
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6. Propaganda is now more pervasive than ever.
The corporate rulers have all the money and own the airwaves. They have indoctrinated the sheep with constant anti-liberal lies. I really hope enough can see through the smokescreen. To think that 40% approve of the robber barons looting the country is pretty scary.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:24 PM
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8. the propaganda barons have less control at the local/state level
which will be our advantage for the midterms.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:24 AM
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20. I think so too
Local radio station's, newspapers, etc. Don't forget to get canidates out and talking at all types of places.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:23 AM
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19. Yes
After we clean up our party with people who will support what the majority of the people want (the soliders home!) then we can clean up everything else George Bush has done. I believe we can do it! All we have to do now is get people out and to vote in the midterms!
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:06 PM
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5. Boycott everything! Make the merchants hate him too.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:22 PM
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7. just by virtue of being cautious of what might hit next, we are
basically in high boycott mode. we're really freaked about what the natural gas cost is going to be this winter; too cranky to want to go out to bars/restaurants; and simply too happy to be at home together to care. we get provisions once a month and spend our time on the porch.

boycotting everything is a nice way to live. it slows you down.
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lostinacause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:41 PM
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28. That could just as easily have an adverse effect. If people have the image
that most Democrats are predatory towards businesses for no purposeful reason the people who value economic growth will have a very good incentive to vote for republicans. Thus if it is successful you end up harming your cause. If it is unsuccessful you end up harming yourself while no ideological benefit is received.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:31 PM
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9. I was asked to post this...Please look and join the fun! (hahahaha)
>We have an election reform forum at
>http://www.democracycellproject.net/forum/index.php?sho...
>
>though it's still in progress. Please consider joining and
>helping colate the information!
>
>http://www.democracycellproject.net/forum/index.php ?
>
>Also, please sign this pledge! (pretty please!)
>
>http://www.democracycellproject.net/pledge.shtml
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 09:09 PM
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10. SIGN THE PLEDGE! it's good fer ya!
plus -- this site (seems to me) is underused as of this moment. lets change that. we need to take the CELL approach. it's a great concept, and i think could be a powerful tool for DU'ers working positively in the coming months heading up to midterms.

this is the "spread" in the senate:

CURRENTLY: 55 Republicans 44 Democrats and 1 Independent

AT PLAY: are 33 Senate seats: 15 presently held by Republicans, 17 by Democrats, and 1 Independent

Here are the Democrats (17 Seats) (15 Incumbents, 2 Incumbents not running) whose seats are up:

Daniel Akaka – HI
Jeff Bingaman--NM
Robert Byrd--WV
Maria Cantwell-WA
Thomas Carper—DE
Hillary Clinton—NY
Kent Conrad—ND
John Corzine—NJ
Mark Dayton—MN (Not Running)
Diane Feinstein—CA
Edward Kennedy – MA
Herb Kohl—WI
Joseph Lieberman—CN
Bill Nelson—FL
Ben Nelson—NE
Debbie Stabenow--MI
Paul Sarbanes—MD (Not Running)

Independent - 1 Seat (No Incumbents)

James Jeffords VT (Not Running)


Republicans -15 Seats (All 15 are Incumbents)

George Allen – VA
Conrad Burns – MT
Lincoln Chafee--RI
Mike Dewine –OH
John Ensign—NV
Bill Frist – TN
Orrin Hatch--UT
Kay Hutchison – TX
John Kyle—AZ
Trent Lott—MI
Richard Lugar – IN
Rick Santorum—PA
Olympia Snow – ME
James Talent – MO
Thomas Craig --WY

(read the article and tell me -- can we NOT fight for every single on of these seats on the basis of kicking the criminals out? -- brook)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:26 AM
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21. Bill Frist isn't running again
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 01:26 AM by FreedomAngel82
He's announced he won't seek re-election. We have two democrats running for his seat and that is Harold Ford junior and Rosalind Kurita. And two republicans Bob Corker and Van Hallery and someone else I can't remember.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 06:33 AM
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24. The site is fairly new. It only started approx. 7 months ago
For being new, it has close to 500 members and yet has twenty state (I believe) covered. INCLUDING many Red states.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 10:20 PM
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12. kick for strategic optimism
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 10:30 PM
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13. if he is indicted
over the Plame leak?
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 10:40 PM
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14. Visualize impeachment folks!
Visualize it!
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 11:20 PM
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15. Pretty scary
if the whole congress and senate consist of democrats. Just show who is boss haha. Spanking can work either way but hey history will put it down as really piss of voters kicking ass.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 12:38 AM
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17. Bush's politics days are over
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:21 AM
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18. Absolutely! We can remove them...impeachment. n/t
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:31 AM
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22. Hang with me for a moment. Do we really want to oust him?
I whole-heartedly agree that Bush has done - and continues to do - things which are worthy of a vote of no-confidence and impeachment. I just don't want the son of a bitch to become a martyr.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:45 AM
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23. there's one BIG problem with that
"What if the voters acted independently to defeat as many Republicans as possible, not just to put more Democrats in office..."

well did it occur to you that

THE REPUBLICANS STILL OWN THE VOTING MACHINES????

as long as that's the case, it ain't gonna happen!!! We can't just vote these people out of office. If we could it would have happened last november. we must learn from the past. we have to do something about the voting machines or it's all for nothing. we can't keep saying that all we have to do is vote them out of office.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:40 AM
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26. pls re-read my intro
(this is a great piece from Consortiumnews.com -- this isn't a spectator sport. it's OUR country. it's still about voting and winning elections. i like the idea of a DEM SLATE -- a vote for Dems is a vote AGAINST Bush. the 2006 midterms are on the horizon. we must do the work now. every DU'er needs to be checking in on the Election Reform threads and get familiar with voting issues closest to you. no more ohios. no more floridas. no more new mexicos. every vote counted and every vote a vote against CORRUPTION and EXTREMISM. -- brook)

you really couldn't create a person more aware of ELECTION FRAUD. nothing angers me more than the witch-hunt against election reform here on DU and elsewhere. remember that's where "tin foil hat" most recently got it's power as a term of derision.

we have to have a carrot to get people to OWN the voting machine situation. as long as "we" think the present moment isn't worth thinking about the elections, many people will sit the fence waiting for election day.

well, the fact is we have a lot GAIN in the mid-terms BUT we MUST do the election reform NOW!!!!!

so, lets get excited about our chances. excited enough for each of us to personally OWN fair, transparent and PAPER ballots.

we have to do this NOW -- not a month before the elections.

i am so totally on this. there's some links posted to the Democratic Cell project. This is a terrific place to multiply the ELECTION REFORM message.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 06:44 AM
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25. Will never happen. The repugs have total control of the country. nt
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lostinacause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:34 PM
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27. The anybody but Bush strategy, even if under some other name
is not the optimal plan. A political party needs to send the message that things can change and they will be better when they do. The Republicans have done a good enough job of convincing people that things would be worse if the democrats were in power. Given that this is the case solutions are far better idea.

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