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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:34 AM
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Is it possible we dodged a bullet with the SC nominee?
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 07:36 AM by Armstead
I realize the knee-jerk reaction (which I also have) is to mistrust anyone this administration nominates to the Supreme Court. And it's too soon to tell what might lie ahead, regarding his latest nominee. Who knows what skeletonms arein the closet?

BUT, something we should keep in mind. Perhaps, she actually is about the best we can expect. With so many otehr things to worry about, could one possible mess have been taken off the table?

CNN reported that the administration had talked with 80 Democratic Senators about this, who didn't raise any serious objections. And at this point, Bush is not really in a position to pick a fight on this by trying to inflict an uber winger. So is it possible we actually got a compromise nominee we could actually live with?

When you look at the possibilities he could have nominated, there were many very scary candidates out there. Hard core wingers and ideological strict constructionists (or whatever the phrase of the week is for ultra-ultra conservatives).

And the sad reality is that whatever huffing and puffing the Democrats do, we are simply not numerically in a position to prevent whoever he might nominate from getting in, no matter how awful.

Of course Miers is going to be corporate and conservative. And she's part of the good ol' boys and gals network in Texas. That's a given.

But given the possible alternatives, perhaps we actually won -- at least in the sense of preventing a wild-eyed ideologue from taking us back to 1890.

As I said, too soon nto tell.


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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:34 AM
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1. There aren't 80 Democratic senators.
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 07:36 AM by tasteblind
Edit: If we had 80 senators, we would have a supermajority, and Bush would never be able to nominate this clown.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:37 AM
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4. MY bad...80 Senators -- Still early morning for me
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 07:38 AM by Armstead
It was 80 Senators he ran it by. Which would still mean a significant number of Democrats.

(Maybe thinking of 80 Democratic Senators was a bit of Freudian wishful thinking on my part)
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:40 AM
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10. If we had that many senators, Bush would be nowhere.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:35 AM
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2. NO.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:36 AM
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3. This lady will prove to be corrupt as heck and up to her eyeballs
in the whole Chimpy - TANG scandal. She was chair of the Texas Lottery Commission back when the whole G-Tech scandal came out. Remember Ben Barnes?

I'm excited, actually. Her nomination gives us the opportunity to drag all of those old skeletons out of the closet once more. Her appointment is clearly a "reward" or crony appointment, nothing more. She's not even remotely qualified.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:37 AM
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5. He nominates a woman who used to be his own personal lawyer and
you think we may have 'dodged a bullet'? A woman who once said he was the most brilliant man she had ever known?

Whatever.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:40 AM
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9. Think of the alternatives
A crony or Janice Rogers Brown?

Not a great set of choices, but think of the alternatives.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:41 AM
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24. I am. And I know that somewhere, sitting on a court in one of these
fifty states, the federal courts, the appellate courts, etc., there are sure to be some better nominees than the ones that bush** keeps nominating.

I mean really, lets just stack that court with neocon pandering ass kissers, shall we?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:38 AM
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6. BULL, until Fitzgerald comes back with an indictment
no more justices must be approved from this administration

hasn't 6 years taught us anything???
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:42 AM
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11. This won't be approved that fast anyway
This is going to take a while to process. The Senate has to do its "due dilligence" and therehave to be hearings, etc.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:39 AM
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7. Nope.....
I just read on another thread that she claimed Bush was the smartest man ever. She must be a real bright one!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:56 AM
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18. Well, if I were hired to defend her
I'd just say she was paid to say that about Bush.

and frankly, that's going to be the catch-all excuse for virtually everything sleazy in her past. She's just doing the client's bidding. It's her job.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:39 AM
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8. No this lady is sounding like a core neocon player
It sounds like she is full up in the rabid right. Its like having Cheney Jr on the bench.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:43 AM
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12. There are moderate judges with solid credentials & experience.
This woman is no more qualified to sit on ANY appellate court, let alone the Supreme Court of the United States, than any other garden variety business lawyer. I am positive she was selected with the understanding that she would always vote with the new Chief Justice, just as Clarence Thomas echoed Rehnquist. My god, this woman doesn't even have the experience necessary to hire her law clerks. We'll get a bunch of SMU grads whose daddies were big donors.

Bush and the GOP dumbed down Texas education with their teach-to-the-test policies; now they're spreading it to the whole country with their bogus No Child Left Behind, teach-to-the-test; and here we see them dumbing down the United States Supreme Court.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:51 AM
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16. Dumb or destructive -- a Hobson's Choice
I wasn't saying she's a great choice. And I'm just speculating.

However, my own nightmare was that he'd pick a hard-core winger of the Dobson-Bennett-Brown mindset, with a clear right-wing agenda.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:45 AM
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13. No
this is a setup to protect the administration from any legal proceedings, a clear conflict of interest. Judges should represent the constitution and legal precedents.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:47 AM
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14. I'm in a watch, read and learn mode. I can't get all worked up about
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 07:57 AM by Pirate Smile
her right now - not while the RW is freaked, she is pro-choice (maybe, I'm not sure but I've seen that already this morning), she gave to Gore, Bentson so she hasn't always been hardcore.

I don't know. I was expecting the worst because he needed a fight to solidify and please his base (that is what I was expecting)and distract attention from all of his other f#$k-ups.

It is Bush cronyism - no surprise there. She pulled a Cheney.

I just can't get all upset right now considering who I was expecting him to nominate which would have caused the Senate to go nuclear and he would pick someone he could only get 51 votes to approve.

We'll see :shrug: .

edit for idiotic grammer/spelling. Hello???
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:54 AM
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17. Ditto
My original post was not a ringing endorsement. I don't know either what will turn up.

But in comparative terms, if we get someone of the O'Connor brand of pragmatic conservatism without a draining battle, it would at least be a wash.

I'd rather see Mario Cuomo, but that kind of choice will have to wait until at least 2009.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:49 AM
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15. At this point, it isn't about
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 07:50 AM by mmonk
moderate or conservative, but cronyism. The supreme court is not supposed to favor a president over other branches of government or any legal proceedings against the executive branch.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:56 AM
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19. And here I thought it was about how likely the nominee was to croak!
I'm liking that she's 60. Ten years older than Roberts.
That's one good thing.

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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:57 AM
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20. I agree with you....I expected much worse...I think Bush was forced
to accept reality. He's at such a low point, he can't afford to appoint a Brown, Luttig or Garza. He's stuck with nominating someone he knows can get confirmed without exploding the senate with the nuclear option.

I know many people on both sides were hoping for a showdown (hell, I did myself) but Bush couldn't afford to poke a stick in our eyes right now.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:02 AM
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21. and the good news is he is alienating his base at the same time.
That is a nice bonus.

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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:08 AM
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23. Its really great...He's managed to piss off the ONLY voters left who
still supported him! Ya gotta love it, whether you like the nomination or not.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:08 AM
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22. She thinks *
is "brilliant". I'm sure how she votes will be determined by a phonecall to rove. Another unqualified hack, pure and simple.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:44 AM
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25. No
Read the article about her at www.buzzflash.com
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