If a Democrat would grow some balls

and start fighting against this republican shit then we can see some real freaking changes! But....But...do they?

John Kerry would have won last year. I have no doubt. But he came across as soft, worse yet, whiny.

The difference I see between the two parties is one has balls the other don't! You can't change things by going along.

another post. It's a metaphor, for pete's sake!
Balls, cojones (sp), nuts, whatever -- I agree with the poster above; you can't use them without a spine.

I kinda like saying it. Grow Some Balls! It's fun to say.

And yes, the Democrats need to grow some balls.

Damn.

:shrug:

how are you ever going to become a man?

No pun intended. Until I saw that it was one.

I'm at work, I won't be needing 'em until about 6.

But they match my breasts, so I like 'em.

You would like to restrict leadership to one gender? I see. OK for you. I think most of us would prefer to be more inclusive.

And, here I thought the republicrap party was full of the moral elitists.

You are right. It IS high time to kick a little republithug ass.

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If people don't like my opinion that is fine. But I just call it as I see it. He (kerry) got beat up pretty bad by the swifty's and other stuff. I blame his campaign more than anything. But I realize that chapter is over. So we move on.

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In my humble opinion, interest-group politics within the Democratic Party over the last 20 years has resulted in pandering, patronage chains, cooptation, fracturing, and defeat. This pattern operates across the board, from racial minority interest groups to issue-specific interest groups. The resulting failures are especially harmful for the working and poverty classes of the historically disempowered and disenfranchised African-American and Latino populations, as well as for a large mass of politically alienated white working poor. Such populations especially, need a political party speaking for them, fighting for them, and winning for them. The Democratic Party could be that party and should be that party. Thirty years ago when Texas corporate money-power lawyer Robert Strauss became DNC chairman, he instituted a new philosophy of chasing the middle and making sure the corporate power elite would not perceive the Party as a threat to its interests. Ever since then, the Democratic Party has constructed its campaign messages around the mythical "swing voters" instead of around the base. Democrats have got to discard that bankrupt philosophy, and in its stead campaign for the base. Going to African-American churches and talking about civil rights and Martin Luther King is not campaigning for the base. Going to Cesar Chavez marches and calling out "Si Se Puede" is not campaigning for the base. Note my phrasing - I refer to campaigning for the base, not "to" the base. Campaigning for the base means fighting, not just giving lip service to platitudes. It means fighting, forcefully and confrontationally, for economic justice, social justice, and the promise of the Declaration of Independence as the main message of the campaign, the message given to all the voters. The Democratic Party has not done this in 30 years as the overall message of the Party and the top of its ticket. The Party has been reserving its social, economic, and Constitutional justice message for targeted communications delivered to interest group audiences. It should be no surprise when those audiences start wondering if the message is sincere.

Lyndon Johnson, who might have become the greatest president in history were it not for his duplicity and stubbornness in getting the country into the Vietnam debacle, did not confine the Great Society message to speeches to interest groups. It was his main message for America as a whole. By betraying LBJ's Great Society vision with the installation of chase-the-middle mythology, the Party itself played directly into Republican hands in letting civil rights be defined as special-interest politics - which is absurd, but which the Party itself allowed to happen by deliberately downscaling LBJ's main message for everybody into limited appeals confined to interest group audiences - thus demeaning what was the most noble flowering of the Democratic Party's message for America into pathetic pandering.

Let’s restore the the active fight for economic and social justice, a fight that confronts corporate power and racist power rather than trying to pacify them, as The Main Message - indeed as the very reason for Democratic candidacies. This is campaigning for the base. Campaigning for the base actually means, simply, fighting for the base, not begging and pandering for their votes, but fighting for them as their advocate, fighting for the people against the powerful. The people will vote for us when they see that we are fighting for them, not because we are positioning ourselves for votes, but because our convictions compel us to fight for the people. The people will see there is something really worth voting for. The act of voting will not be a buy-and-sell transaction with patronage and promises as the medium of exchange, but rather a joining and sharing of a mission.

In the process we will be expanding the base, expanding it to potentially everybody, no longer confining it to specially defined interest groups. It is the opposite of what the Democratic Party has been doing for 30 years. Democratic campaigns that do this, and do it from the heart, will win.

David Van Os

See any time a Dem stands up and fights for something we are reminded its not the thing to do right now. We have to lay low, keep our powder dry, remember that its about money, that we have to appeal to the uncommitted voters, and not make waves.

You know, shutup, sit down, and hope something changes.

...by admirers of the discipline and ruthlessness displayed by such Republican luminaries as Tom Delay.

Delay has balls and spine and an indictment.

Ve must have dissipline, yes? Ve must be ze party of strength und unity, yes? Ve must run strong candidates for offiz who vill not compromize our prinzipples, yes?

Goot. You go first.

If you don't like who is in office, run or vote them out. I'm helping a progressive, liberal candidate run in a conservative town, a candidate who "everyone" says hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of winning here. I have a lunch meeting with him today, and we're actually doing something besides whining.

We may lose, but we'll go down fighting. What the hell are you doing besides bitching?

It's called advice. Believe me, I'm doing plenty.

Not everyone is on the same page. When the point is raised that the Dems keep caving and not standing up for things there is a overwhelming response that you gotta play the political game. That standing up for the right things just isn't prudent right now.

Its going to take time and a lot of words to change this. So yes they may be boring to you. You may be active in doing something to change it. But we need more, much more, people to get this. If we do not actively work to change things and move the people in a different direction we will continue to lose more and more.

Go change the party. Think positive.

Understand that Nader is a self-interested, self-promoting, damn dead-end.

We have had a tremendous, amazing, wonderful opportunity thrust on us with Delay, Frist, Brownie, Gannon and all the other open symptoms of complete ineptitude displayed by the Republican Party just in the past two months.

People are sick of Republicans, even Republicans are sick of Republicans. People want progressive ideas, and the only CREDIBLE source of those ideas is the Democratic Party.

If you don't like the positions of the party, get down to your local party HQ and CHANGE THE POSITIONS. Make proposals. Run for office.

Quit belly aching about how the party is spineless, cause I've got news for you. You ARE the Democratic Party.

Grow some balls yourself.

unless you're going to spend as much time pushing for election reform
You can campaign for a great Dem. till the cows come home.......but we're dealing with theives who have gotten away with it twice for the Presidency and Im SURE on a state level they've stolen votes too.

And please please don't tell me that he won! They lied about 9/11 they lied us into war, they lie lie lie......they stole the elections too!

This is a place we discuss ideas. Do not think you are the only one working to change things. We can do both. Work for change and put pressure on our fellows to change as well.

Championing ideas is a vital form of making change come about. Things don't just change when its time to. It takes people struggling with each other. Working on new ideas. Conflicting with each other. All to move the pendelum. It doesn't just swing back. So waiting for it to do so will just give the right time to make sure it never can swing back.

The pendelum swings back because people and ideas make it swing back. We are those people and ideas. Bitching and whining are part of how ideas get put into the stream of consciousness.

STOLE THE FREAKIN' ELECTION...AGAIN! They have stolen 3, maybe more, 2000, 2002 and 2004.

that mentality is why were in this heap of shit! No! What matters is VOTES....or atleast it used to. Every vote should count, but unless we have a paper trail, kiss democracy goodbye! These thugs and theives will not stop the rape of this world unless WE bring them down and the ONLY way that is going to happen is if we DEMAND election reform and fight them for it every step of the way! This is where our energy should be focused.

I believe there are decent politicians out there, ones I would be proud to campaign for....but why waste my time? If they're not in Bushs' pocket they're not going to get "(S) elected"

No matter which way Kerry went, the GOP spin machine (which was set at Category 5) would have him trapped.

If he didnt say anything, the GOP would have painted him as soft and whiny.

If he started speaking the truth, then the GOP would have said that he was untruthful.

Either way, with the amount of shit that the GOP has been able to produce, we were screwed either way.

That's why we need some big fat loudmouths. Or just regular loudmouths who speak the truth like Dean. Hell, even better, we need a big fat guy like Taft for the next election. Someone who really speaks to the idiots who voted Bush in!

to the DC protest that I know of, where were the others????:mad: