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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:47 PM
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LIFE IN PRISON FOR DELAY!!!! THIS IS THE TIPPING POINT!
Today's new charges, charges of MONEY LAUNDERING *and* CONSPIRACY TO MONEY LAUNDER carry LIFE IN PRISON as penalties...

I wonder if the presiding judge will waive the ARREST WARRENT this time!!!???

This guy is going to bring THE ENTIRE HOUSE OF CARDS DOWN BABY!
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:49 PM
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1. Oh crap....
I forgot all about that. Thanks for the reminder. I betcha no deal.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:49 PM
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2. Would it be cheaper to execute him??
Well, you know how the Repukes are about spending money! Since they love killing so much, why don't they volunteer DeLay for punishment by firing squad.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:50 PM
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4. OMG!
You made me snarf tea all over my Mac!

:spray:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:52 PM
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7. Snarfing is the best!
:spray: :popcorn: :rofl:
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YouthInAsia Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:51 PM
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5. I volunteer
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:59 PM
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12. Put him to sleep, you mean...
Doesn't he look like an old hunting dog?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:21 PM
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16. Nope, put him down...
Cause he looks like the South end of a northbound horse.

-Hoot
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:26 PM
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19. Mr Spock, you're thinking too much like a repuke now...
I'm starting to worry about you! :rofl:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:19 AM
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24. But I was trying to be logical. :o) It is what he would want for another.
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 09:20 AM by Mr_Spock
So, logically speaking, shouldn't he want the same punishment for himself? I mean, he should be consitent in his stances, shouldn't he?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 04:27 AM
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29. it is his skin you are talking about here
and it is ahem personal you know
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:30 PM
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21. That's what happens in the Culture of Life!!
You kill, people, see, whether they be real crooks like DeLay, or innocent people on Death Row, or Iraqi babies, or old people in New Orleans. Death is good! Up is down! Culture of Life! Woo hoo! Killing is FUN!
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:50 PM
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3. Conspiracy to launder money is only 20 years on its own.
Like it matters.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:51 PM
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6. right now the Democrats are busy thinking up theit apologize
see if I am not right
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:53 PM
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9. uh, yeah, right
what dem has apologized to/for DeLay?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:53 PM
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8. Don't forget the 20 years for Conspiracy to Launder Money!
In a unanimous decision in the consolidated cases of Whitfield v. U.S. (docket 03-1293) and Hall v. U.S. (03-1294), the Court ruled that a money laundering conspiracy count does not require proof of an overt act to further the plot. The ruling, written by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, relied primarily upon the Court's decision in U.S. v. Shabani in 1994. The Shabani decision found there was no need to show an overt act to prove a conspiracy to commit drug crimes. That law and the money laundering conspiracy statute involve nearly identical language, the Court noted.

The law at issue can be traced back to the Money Laundering Control Act of 1986. It criminalizes the intentional transfer of money from unlawful activity, and transactions involving property that was obtained during a crime if the value is more than $10,000. As originally enacted, neither of those sections included a conspiracy provision, so the government relied on a general conspiracy statute. But, in 1992, Congress wrote into the Money Laundering Control Act a provision making it a crime to conspire to commit any offense under that Act. That was the provision at issue in Tuesday's ruling.

In the Court's prior rulings in Shabani, as well as in earlier rulings (Singer v. U.S. in 1945 and Nash v. U.S. in 1913), the Court had ruled that, where Congress omitted from a conspiracy law any language expressly requiring an overt act, the Court would not read such a requirement into the statute. That concept controlled the ruling Tuesday, O'Connor wrote.
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/009284.html

Thanks satya for posting this earlier.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:55 PM
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11. "money laundering conspiracy count does not require proof of an overt act"
WOW. Tom is SO COOKED... anyone got a fork?
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:54 PM
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10. K-Y Jelly
"Slip, sliding away", Tommy!
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:02 PM
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13. the ABSOLUTE LONGEST time d-lay will spend in the stripey-hole...
is until christmas eve, 2008.

the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:10 PM
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14. Yep, good point!
:mad:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:15 PM
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15. why? What am I missing here...
are you saying he'll get a minimum sentence? Isn't that 20 years for money laundering?

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:23 PM
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17. Ah found sentencing guidelines here:
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.003.00.000012.00.htm

Money Laundering of the amount that DeLay is guilty of is a FIRST DEGREE FELONY... here is the sentencing guideline:


§ 12.32. FIRST DEGREE FELONY PUNISHMENT. (a) An
individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the first degree shall be
punished by imprisonment in the institutional division for life or
for any term of not more than 99 years or less than 5 years.
(b) In addition to imprisonment, an individual adjudged
guilty of a felony of the first degree may be punished by a fine not
to exceed $10,000.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:24 PM
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18. I think what he is talking about are last minute pardons by * eom
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:27 PM
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20. Bush Can't Pardon him
These are not federal offenses... Bush can only pardon people for federal crimes.

DeLay would have to be pardoned by the Texas Governor's PROBATE COUNCIL and they don't pardon people very easily... and you have to serve time in prison before getting a pardon in Texas (I already looked it up).
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:33 PM
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22. yeah...
I have been reading that tonight here. I was just giving my opinion of what the other poster was refering to.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:48 AM
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26. money laundering act of 1986/1992 is certainly federal
well ppl are being confused because the information being posted in this thread is about federal offenses, not texas state offenses, the money laundering act of 1986 is most certainly a federal law

i would need to see some evidence that the state of texas hands down 20 yr sentences for money laundering, i'd be mighty surprised

i imagine he'll get a fine or something if convicted

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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:57 PM
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27. consider what happened on xmas eve 1992....
when poppy smirk pre-emptively pardoned cappy and his whole i-c crew.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:36 PM
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23. Yes indeed! He'll sing his vile, corrupt ass off if he faces LIFE IN
PRISON! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

:popcorn: I'm ready for the show! BRING IT ON! :bounce:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:22 AM
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25. I can't imagine that is true
Do you have the statute on hand?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 04:25 AM
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28. I think he's right. Life in prison, Texas prison. I remember seeing
a post here in the last couple of days with the legal info.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 04:43 AM
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31. Right. Sure thing. Welcome to DU. n/t
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