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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:05 AM
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Do You Ever Have Compassion for the "Freeper" Types?
Hold the cannons!! Woke up this a.m. to see that Cheney immediately dialed up Limbaugh yesterday as the bashing started by the wingers on the Mier's pick. Then saw that Bugman DeLay will also be addressing Rush's minions. Yes, first thought was: "Yep, call up the Minister of Propaganda so that he can get out an extra dose of bleach to wash those minds". Then I felt "empty".

I don't take any joy in knowing that we allow that kind of unabashed brainwashing on the airwaves (be it conservative or liberal). It makes me sad to see that fellow Americans are preyed upon by this unholy regime because they arrogantly consider them mindless (though never saying that to their face)and, thus easy to use, abuse and manipulate. I know a number of Freeper-types (people who would be very comfortable with them)and I keep wondering things like: what made you so hateful; what made you such a bigot; what made you so blind that you can't see that you are econmically killing yourself and your generations to come??? People don't shoot out of the womb that way. They are "made". So often I wish that this "bleeding heart" liberal could put her arms around them one at a time and say "let the hatred go and start thinking--you're good people but these slime are taking that goodness away from you".
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tompayne1 Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:07 AM
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1. Freepers are deluded idealistic morons
They are driven by the facts that they don't like abortion and gay people. Heck even the mormons were dems until the 1920's
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:13 AM
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2. You know..Politics..(and the Republicans) have changed me...
..or else I wanted to change..Anyway..I used to be very forgiving of the utter meanness of some individuals. I would try to put myself in their place and bring up understanding from my inner soul.

But now..after seeing the damage that these people have done to so many in our population, I have turned into a vicious payback machine...
...or in other words,,No more Mr Nice Guy...if I can/could meet you in a dark alley, I'd beat you fucking senseless.. :)
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:16 AM
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4. Me too and that makes me the saddest
I have ever been. I hate feeling this way.

I won't be beating anyone senseless however but I get it.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:24 AM
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11. What you say is true.....you know, I tried it my way for some many years..
..and I STILL am a very kind person...but..when I see/have seen, the distruction of so many lives by the "Mean People"...a part of me, now, says "Ok..you just don't get it, do you?"

Thank Goodness ..I still retain that part of me that I love....
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:14 AM
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3. Simple answer? No. I have a real problem with those who live in
ignorance. In most cases, they have no one to blame except themselves. It is the reason I oppose 'formal' religion...too many human beings turn over their thinking ability to some guy in the pulpit.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:18 AM
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5. If There Was One Unconscious In The Street I'd Stop To Help.
Hopefully they stay unconscious until the paramedics arrive. Probably wouldn't jump right into politics upon waking anyway...

Hi Freeps!
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pointblank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:19 AM
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6. I always have compassion for those
who are mentally handicapped.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:20 AM
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7. The hard core willfully self-deceived ones?
I think not. They really are mean-spirited hateful people who want nothing more than to see 95% of America and the world disappear overnight.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:20 AM
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8. Well, compassion is what we are all about, isn't it?
I helped a family last year with their son's medical expenses because they were about to lose their home. We paid their bills for about 4 months.

Definite freepers. Loved Bush. Thought he was the greatest President ever.

Could I let them lose their house over the difference in politics? No, because then I would BE them.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:21 AM
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9. NO!
This type is typified by a WILLFUL ignorance, as well as an intentional avoidance of higher education and critical thought. Not universally true, of course, but i do not excuse willful ignorance. It drops them beneath any hope of compassion.
The Professor
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:21 AM
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10. No, Would I have had compassion for Nazi's? No. Thats why I argued
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 11:23 AM by bushmeat
continuously (before their deaths) with the older members of my family that came from Germany.

The German people supported the Nazi's for selfish reasons.

The American people support the Neocons for selfish reasons also.


Both people knew that they were supporting a monsterous regime. But they didn't/don't care because they think they will personally will benefit, even if it is at the expense of others.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:26 AM
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12. How many ways can I say "NEVER"???!!!
Good God.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:28 AM
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13. yes, my college students
Who defend Bush then apologize that they had to miss class because their boss at the restaurant where they work wouldn't move their shift so they could come to class.

They don't realize that it wasn't always the case that most students had to work full time. Less than 20 years ago, coming from the same economic background and situation as my students, I got enough financial aid to go to school full time and only work in the summer.

Now they have made a slight change to the rules that aces most out--they count your parents income no matter what until you are 25.

So if your parents choose not to help you with college as mine largely did and a great many do, you are screwed.

They don't see the connection between this and who they vote for, just as the mullet listening to Rush Limbaugh doesn't realize that asswipe is destroying the union that protects them, keeping them from getting affordable health insurance, and increasing the chance that he or his sons or daughters will die in another country.

Instead, they are worried about abortion, something that will affect their lives maybe once or twice if at all, or gay marriage, prayer in school, or display of the Ten Commandments, that will never do them any harm or good.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:35 AM
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14. Here..Here..Well Said!..Clap, Clap..
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:58 PM
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22. On the subject of help with college,

I went in the early '70's. As my father had died when I was a kid, survivor's social security paid for me all the way through college.

Reagan put a stop to that.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:38 AM
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15. I have compassion for
the lower-level Sheeple types, who want the world to be simple and see everything in black and white. They don't understand how hatred is making them sick and how their own preachers are leading them down a treacherous path. They are deceived. I feel sorry they are so fearful and deluded.

BUT I have NO compassion for the upper-level freepers, the ones who have college and business degrees, who have their way paved in life. These fat cats in control of wealth, resources, opportunities in this country--know EXACTLY what their actions and policies are doing. They deserve no compassion. They are ruthless and exploitative and proud of that. We liberals forgive these people too easily. They are the problem.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:47 AM
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16. It's got to be projection.
I've struggled with understanding them for a long time, and it suddenly occurred to me that it was -- and this is of course quite obvious -- projection. But why the projection? Because they don't "own" their own selves. They cannot accept some basic, essential parts of their make-ups, so they project those onto others, whom they then demonize.

Then everything they holler and yell and accuse us of doing is just telling you exactly what THEY are doing, but cannot admit it.

So if they're racist, and cannot admit that or deal with it, they call liberals hateful and destructive and racist.

Since they really don't approve of freedom (they don't want women to be free to do what they want with their bodies; they don't people to be free to choose their religion; they don't want homosexuals to exist, much less have sex), they holler loud and louder that everyone else hates freedom, and that is what they are fighting for.

They accuse liberals of being spendthrifts -- need I say more?

They always wreck the economy, but blame it on us.

Many are very criminal, committing white collar crimes, defrauding workers of pensions, and on and on, but talk about reducing the crime rate by aborting black babies, implying, of course, that all criminality lies with us.

They lie all the time, and accuse of us lying.

They are extraordinarily partisan, but call us partisan.

So I used to really wonder how they could do that, and wondered if they believe the nonsense they spew. Now I think most of them are completely unaware emotional wrecks who want to disown every fragment of any human weakness, frailty, or evil, and project it on the other side. And of course when someone is doing that, projecting like that, he/she cannot see that it is jim/herself who is doing the evil.

But then, that is the whole point, to be able to do all these bad nasty things and not ever have to take any responsibility for them. Maybe it's rooted in insecurity, stinginess, fear, and greed.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:02 PM
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24. You said it right.
"Since they really don't approve of freedom "

They hate us for our freedoms.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:56 AM
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17. I can't decide
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 12:04 PM by Cats Against Frist
Many people who are freepers/Republicans/fascists, politics aside, are normal people -- perhaps not the kind of "role models," that shine like a beacon on the mountain, but hard-working people who keep their noses clean, care for their families, and generally believe in doing "the right thing." In many of their capacities, as soldiers, firefighters, policemen and women, businesspeople and community members, they can often display compassion, nobility and kindness.

That said, I think it takes a special kind of psychology to either be a full-on freeper, a religious dogmatist or a loyal, unflinching Bush supporter -- none of which I find healthy, or responsible, or in keeping with the values of the founders, who imparted stewardship of our nation, upon us all.

As a postmodernist and a libertarian, I can "live and let live." I don't feel the need to "save the world," and especially don't feel the need to save a couple hundred million fat-and-happy, consumerist, self-enslaving middle classers from themselves. I also believe that community is local, subjective and that all kinds of segregation are not in the best interest of everyone. Therefore, I can tolerate the ideas of operating at the state level, dismantling most of the apparatus of the federal government, and, though sometimes painful, leaving people to pursue their own course of destiny and even leaving the weaker in the hands of them.

That said, this GOP, and the people who support it, are nothing like the conservatives or small-government enthusiasts that came before them. Indignant militia boys, rolled over like pooches to let their little tummies get scratched by the likes of the right-wing Ivory Tower, money-soaked Mammon think tanks and neoconservative ideologues. The "philosopher kings," and "noble liars," use the conservative base to play out their main theory: "we know what's good for you, and you're too stupid to be trusted with the truth about things."

And do freepers care? Hell no -- they make excuses, all the time: "this has to be secret, or "our boys" will get killed," "the government should know things that we don't," and arguments against Waco-like government encroachment have turned into "well, as long as you keep your nose clean, you don't have anything to worry about." Like victims making excuses for their abusers, they keep coming back to the GOP time and time again, while the right-wing authoritarians concentrate MORE power in the hands of the fed, close ranks around policy and the rationalizations for it, empower large corporations with representation beyond the rights given in the Constitution, and create a hocus-pocus shoestring economy of war and deficit, all while setting their sights on empire, and creating the largest, most in-debt, secretive, unaccountable government that the U.S. has ever seen -- and a one-party totalitarian state.

"But, but," the freepers say, "they cut taxes." Horseshit. The taxes that they cut do not mean that they have anything like a "small government" philosophy. "Cutting taxes," dovetails nicely into another philosophy: corpo-fascism, which can be played off as "less government," but is really part of large-scale, neo-liberal "social engineering" of the economic strata, to provide favorable, short-term "appearances" that the U.S. has a thriving economy. It has nothing to do with "shrinking" or "drowning" any big, authoritarian federal government.

In the meantime, Bush and the GOP called out the feds to stop consumer choice in Florida, gutted the Bill of Rights, and are attempting to pass a flag-burning amendment that is big government authoritarianism of the worst stripe, destroy the right to privacy, funnel all of our tax dollars to mercenaries, the mossad and "fluff-girling" Iraq for corporate takeover.

But is it that the constituency just "doesn't see it?"

No. I think that a large part of the base -- 30 percent or more, is so taken with Bush worship and the blonde jeebus that they are beyond rational thought, and/or help. But the other 70 percent are very, most likely, authoritarians, and always have been -- just waiting for the RIGHT authoritarian to come in, and assume the mantle. These are people who thrive on moral indignance, cultural supremacism, nationalism, xenophobia, romantic MYTHS of the birth of America, and false binaries geared for the totalitarian mindset. Loyal, but not fanatical. Comfortable. Sure -- Certain even.

Are they victims? Or are they lazy? They're certainly the same people that I described in the first paragraph, who, on a micro level, can seem to function the same as anyone else, with shared values that we all have.

They say that all wars actually take place between "the intellectuals," and that the populus is necessary only for the validation or mobilization of force, to enforce what the ideologues want. The people who are leading the freepers by the nose are fantastic propagandists, disappearing artists -- "who? us? we don't even exist" -- and believe that the ends -- power -- justify the means.

The freepers are eviscerated, trampled souls. Led by their weakest and most deplorable feelings of fear, powerlessness and low self-esteem. But these things exist in us all, and can be played, like a piano, by the right Liberace.

Like I said, I'm confused. And, as a postmodernist, it's hard for me to judge. It seems perverse that they can't grasp the disparity between the "polished message" of the GOP, and their actual actions -- and it's frustrating, to me. But, maybe, like the neocons, I believe that it's all "narrative," and perspective, and that the center holds nothing. The people who are the "history's actors" behind the famous Suskind quote, are experts in vapor, in ghosts. They don't exist, objectivism doesn't exist, reality doesn't exist -- making everything a chimera, everything meaningless.

I thought I'd add a poem, on edit, of which all of this reminds me. It was selected, I think, by Bob Hass for the Best American Poetry 2001.

David Kerby
"Dear Derrida"

My new grad-school roommates and I are attending
our first real lecture, which has gone okay,
we guess, since none of us understands it,
when one of our professors rises,
a somewhat prissy fellow
with a mild speech impediment,
and says he takes issue with the speaker’s tone,
which he characterizes as one of “sar, sar,”
and her he raises his voice a little,
“sar, sar, sar,” and wipes his mouth

with a handkerchief, “sar,” and turns red
and screams, “sar sar sar—DAMN EET!—sarcasm!”
The four of us look at each other
as if to say, Hmmmm, nothing like this
at the cow colleges we went to!
After that, whenever we’d spill our coffee
or get a sock stuck in the vacuum cleaner,
we’d look at the mess ruefully
and say “da, da, da—SARCASM!—damn eet!”

Our lives were pretty tightly sealed,
and if we weren’t in class or the library,
either we spent our time in wordplay
or cooking: what with girlfriends
and passersby, we always had a pot
of water boiling on the back of the stove
(it’s like you’re ready to deliver babies,
somebody said once), either for spaghetti
or sausages, though one evening Chris
the English student from England, came by

for a sausage supper, and after he left,
we ran up on the roof to pelt him
with water balloons, though when he did,
he fell down as though he’d been shot,
and one of us said, Jeez, what’s wrong
with Chris, and somebody else said,
You know, Chris eats nothing but sausage,
and a third party said, Hmmmm,
maybe we ought to vary our diet a little.

And that was our life: school, the boiled messes
we made on that stove, and hanging around
that crummy apartment talking about,
I don’t know, Dr. Mueller’s arm,
I guess, which hung uselessly
by his side for reasons no one
fathomed—polio, maybe, or some
other childhood disease—though Paul
said he thought it was made of wood.
Can’t be made of wood, said Michael,

you can see his hand at the end
of it, to which Paul replied,
Yeah, but you can have a wooden arm
and a real hand, can’t you?
And that was what our life was like,
because mainly we just sat around
and speculated like crazy while
the snow piled up outside,
so much so that by the time spring came,

I’d had it, so I moved out of there and in with Grant
and Brian and Poor Tom, who were philosophy
students but also genuine bad asses,
believe it or not, because at the time
you more or less had to be an existentialist,
i.e., tough, and not a deconstructionist,
which was a few years down the road yet
and which would have left everyone
paralyzed, since all texts
eventually cancel themselves out.

Of the new roomies, I hit it off best
with Grant, who became one of the big-brother
types I seemed to be looking for at that period of my life,
and in fact he rescued me
on more than one occasion, such as the time I was talking
to a local girl outside a bar
called Jazz City and her three brothers
decided to “teach me a lesson” and would have
if Grant hadn’t punched one of them

across the hood of a parked car, or the night
he and I were in this other place where
a biker gang called Quantrill’s Raiders
hung out and into which wandered
a well-dressed couple so unaware
of their surroundings they asked the bartender
to please make them some hot toddies,
which set everybody to laughing,
only the Quantrills decided we were laughing at them
and jumped up to “teach us a lesson”

and would have, too, if Grant had not thrown
a table at them and dragged me
out of there to dive behind some garbage cans
and choke on our own laughter
while the drunk, fucked-up bikers howled
and swore and punched each other since they
couldn’t punch us. All this was therapy,
I figured, since grad school was stressful enough
to send three people I knew to the clinic

with barbituate overdoses (two made it,
one didn’t), and I’m not even listing here
all the divorces I know of that were directly
attributable to that constant pressure
to be the best, be publishable, hireable,
lovable, that came from professors and sweethearts
and parents but mainly from ourselves,
as though each of us were two people,
a good and capable slave, on theone hand,
and, on the other, a psychotic master

who either locked us up with our pots
of boiling water or sent us out to dance
with the devil in the streets of Balitmore.
That year magi appeared from the east:
Jacques Lacan, Tzvetan Todorov,
Roland Barthes, and Jacques Derrida
brought their Saussurean strategies
to the Hopkins conference on “The Language
of Criticism and the Sciences of Man,”

where they told us that all language
is code and thus separate from reality,
and therefore everything
is a text as long as there is nothing
more than this half-conscious
linguistic interplay between perceiver
and perceived, which is another way
of saying that language is only reality
or at least the only one that counts.
As different as these thinkers are,

each was telling us that there is no us:
that cultural structures
or the media or Western thought
or the unconscious mind
or economic systems make us
what we are or what we seem to be, since,
if fact, we are not, which isn’t such bad news,
if you think about it, because it means
we don’t have to take ourselves so seriously.

Derrida and company make it impossible
for anyone today to read a book
as they had before, but we didn’t know that then.
Grant didn’t, that’s for sure;
four years later, he put a gun in his mouth
and blew the back of his skull off,
and sometimes it makes me sad
when I think of how long it takes
for new ideas to catch on, because,
yeah, deconstruction might have saved us.



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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:47 PM
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21. this comment really caught my attention
"The freepers are eviscerated, trampled souls. Led by their weakest and most deplorable feelings of fear, powerlessness and low self-esteem. But these things exist in us all, and can be played, like a piano, by the right Liberace."

I guess the better part of myself tries to keep this in mind in order to not hate them, but most of the time I fall short.
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 02:41 PM
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26. Cats---excellent thank you for your reply
I wish that reply could go on the front page. It stands alone.
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YouthInAsia Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:58 AM
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18. no sympathy what so ever. NONE. These people are uninformed idiots. Period
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:19 PM
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19. Most if not all freepers are sociopaths IMNSHO
They have NO idea what empathy or integrity is. They have absolutely NO compassion for most of the people in this country and elsewhere, so why bother caring about them? I'd rather save my time, energy and emotions for the people who deserve it like the middle class, the poor, the people of NOLA and the Gulf, the people of Iraq; ALL OF WHOM who do NOT deserve ANY of the shit the freepers/rethugs have heaped on them the past several years!!! :grr:
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:23 PM
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20. In Arkansas it's against the law to 'shoot out of the womb'
unless you are outside city limits.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:59 PM
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23. Took me a moment to realize what you were saying.

Wonder what in the WORLD city limits has to do with it????
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:45 AM
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32. In Arkansas it is illegal to discharge a firearm in the city limits.
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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:31 PM
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25. No...
Been friends with a girl since my sophomore year in college. I hate to lose her friendship, but I think this weekend was the last straw. She's not the same person I knew back then.

We had a two hour conversation on the phone this friday. These were her talking points. Please keep in mind she is a high school english teacher.

1) poor people are poor because they don't see the opportunities around them(did I mention this was southern Ohio and Walmart is the largest employer in Ohio?)

2) same people are stupid and there is no chance of bettering themselves

3)I should not have to support them because they are stupid and therefore poor(even though her paycheck is paid by us as a public school teacher)


:grr: My blood pressure has not returned to normal since this conversation.

Let me give the history of my freeper friend.

I graduated...she flunked her remedial math-for-English-teachers-class. I have a feeling it was all the Acid she did that year...her parents paid for her room and board the last year so she 'could focus on her studies'...they were already paying tuition.

At her graduation party, her parents as a gift paid off all her credit cards. Most of the debt she ran up was from cash advances to buy alcohol and Acid(she loved Acid for some reason)

she got a job teaching where her father is the Superintendent (surprise!!!)

In between lesson plans she smokes and drinks like a fish.

I was planning on getting together an intervention for her sorry freeper ass...but now I hope she falls on it...and her parents are not there to bail her out. I can't wait until she finds out how poor, stupid people live.

And I guess I feel the same way about many of them. I just do not feel sorry for them.





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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 02:47 PM
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27. Cathy---you are talking about one section that is disgusting
She is the type of Freeper who would not have a pot to piss in if it wasn't for an entire life of bailouts. And, unfortunately, we are creating in this country a whole strata of "inherited money" where these creatins never actually stood on their OWN feet and did shit but who sit and piss down on everyone else. They are the worst danger to this country. I don't begrudge someone who has earned big money that money; but we are creating useless bastards with inherited money. I'm not saying this is the case with this woman--her's is inherited bailing out and getting jobs. They are sickening.
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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:24 PM
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30. agreed
The dichotomy between her life (the bail outs)and what she expects of 'those stupid poor people' makes my blood boil. I'm washing my hands of trying to make her see. I think she just needs to lose everything at least once.
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 02:50 PM
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28. When you become what you fight against...
You have lost.

Compassion is a human trait we cannot afford to lose, otherwise it will be replaced by another less noble human trait.

Because they have no compassion they deserve even more of ours, and our pity. We cannot even attempt to guide one to something we ourselves have lost.

Peace.
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:16 AM
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35. :: hugs :: Thanks, PsychoDad. Peace to you too. (n/t)
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:11 PM
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29. Quite simply.. yes. I find it a relief and infuriating at the same time.
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 03:14 PM by frictionlessO
So I suppose thats a good balance.
Though within the freeper cells I know that there are people who want to convert, incarcerate, kick out or kill just about everyone even slightly left. Their fundie fried extremists are large in number and short on empathy. I have little compassion for them because I know that if I ever tried to help them in any way they would just try to hurt me as much as they could.

Thats the difference between us, the radical fringe on the right wants to hurt people badly and makes no qualms about it the ones on the left just want some social justice.

So I guess the further right my compassion goes the less of it there is. I will not waste it on the likes of emotional terrorists and theocracy lovers.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 04:08 PM
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31. If they show up at my doorstep, tired and hungry and demoralized, yes.
They will be offered everything I can give. If they need the shirt off my back, they'll get it.

If we meet on the field of battle, I'll be the same person trying to rip their throat out. By my teeth, if necessary.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:02 AM
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33. A bit yes but not much, hypocrites bother me.
My brother-in-law, nice guy officer in the army. He votes Bush because he quote "afraid Kerry will cut the military" this was AFTER one 6 month tour in Iraq away from 3 kids all under 8 AND after loosing his best friend to an attack. He is back there now and will be there for another 6 months although he tried to get out of it. Do I feel for him.. well I feel for his kids but hey you voted for him so buck up and get on the plane.

Two friends both freeper types. The work hard and I will be rich kind, welfare people are lazy etc. They both get fired on Fridays over the last 2 years. Monday both are in getting signed up for unemployment, a program they don't believe in but are more then ready to stick out a hand too when THEY need it. In this case I did feel sorry for them but the hypocracy bugged me.
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:14 AM
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34. Yes. It's easier than it seems to get sucked down into that.
And yes, I have compassion for Nazis, too. I have met sweet, kind, generous, and genuinely good people who were sucked in by the Nazi propaganda machine and by the unique circumstances of their lives. I don't mean the ordinary German who was drafted into the Wehrmacht or occasionally hung a banner out for a parade, or who was only Nazi enough not to get arrested. I don't mean concentration camp guards, either - it takes more than that to run a Reich. I mean SS volunteers and Alte Kaempfer, bodyguards and telephone operators, adjutants and secretaries, all the little wheels that have to turn. I've heard why they made the choices they did, heard the shock and the grief as these men spoke of the actions of their younger selves. I understand how it was that these people, ordinary people, were manipulated into going against their own decent natures. I can't help but to have compassion for them, and sorrow.

It takes nothing away from the compassion and sorrow I have for anyone else who suffered because of National Socialism. When one has compassion for people one is inclined to despise instead, when one sees the humanity in another despite beliefs that make the other seem inhuman, one has broken the lever of hatred and cannot be moved by it.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:17 AM
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36. When they don't bleed enough, I give em
PURPLE HEART BANDAIDS.
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