Why I like Kerry.

Remember all the fantastic things that Kerry has said that resonate with decent American people from both parties. Remember how Kerry won all three debates. Remember how Kerry packed the crowds in all over the nation. Remember how Kerry won the "election." Remember how Kerry is still fighting for what is right. I could go on and on. Kerry isn't perfect and I was crushed by his decision to concede but Kerry is a good man and a great leader. He serves his Country well and he serves the majority of the American people. I forgive him for his flaws as they are few when compared to all the good he does.

John Kerry Rocks.

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I agree.

It's all very complicated, you see.

Good one.

But yeah, John Kerry's alright, lame Iraq War vote aside.

And so do you, texpatriot!

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..that every vote would be counted..well he broke that promise Why?

Kerry is still involved in three lawsuits in OH, just on this subject.

ANd he still IS! Furthermore, I recall seein on kos that kerry INVESTIGATED after the election and tried to find a whistleblower. (no luck at that time) BUT now, more and more of the Republican crimes are coming forward and if kerry had been waving a red flag saying, "But. but. but...they stole it!" without proof, all of you would still be pissed at him for looking so stupid and whiney. Fact is--he's still Looking for that whistleblower. So he is still fighting!

but he lost the biggest prize of all...the Presidency of the good ol' US of A. He raised, and spent, huge sums for/on the campaign, he worked his butt off and he must have been bushed (OK it's a crap pun) after a gruelling campaign only to have the prize slip from his grasp. It is reasonable, therefore, to assume he would have gone ballistic at the possibility of vote fraud and moved heaven and earth to do something about a very, very, very nasty affair. As far as I can see he didn't protest as strongly as one would have expected from someone who had been cheated.

I could be wrong given that I'm looking from over the pond texpatriot2004. However, the stakes were massive, he was obviously cheated but his response wasn't exactly very strong. Is it fair to say he allowed the current administration to take over the US because of his failure to respond robustly, doggedly defiantly etc?

Regards

memo to self - don fireproof overalls immediately before pressing "Post message"

Blackwell accomplished his electioneering before the election and no recount would have rectified that.

I'm looking from over the pond and I'm very aware of my ignorance of certain issues on your side.

The fact that he is somewhat obsessive compulsive. As a former District Attorney, he wasn't coming out loud and proud without hard evidence. That's part of what took him so long when the campaign realized that the Swift Vets were having an effect. He was evidence gathering so as to put the thing to rest once and for all.

Even now, he's still involved in three different lawsuits, one for fraud, and two for suppression.

He's not a loud guy. But I've seen him hold onto something and not let go for YEARS.

That's my wonk. Not flashy, but utilitarian.

the way they look as though they could, what will be possible will be an immensely more far-reaching reformation of your country's political and electoral "systems", and consequently the country as a whole, than could ever have been achieved by a frontal assault, particularly, though not only, because they still had the corporate media in their back pocket AND buttoned down. I use the word, "systems", of course, very loosely.

I believe Kerry foresaw all that is happening now a long, long time ago - remember he was a prosecutor of just such types - and realised that softly, softly, was the hardest way to go about things, but also, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the most thoroughgoing and effective - the only way to line up all those raspberries. It was just necessary to give them enough rope - over-reaching is endemic with such types.

And plus he kicked Dubya's ass in all three debates! :kick:

Especially in the first two. The look on W's face was priceless. "What...what...what..." :dunce: Completely outclassed from word one.

You've been here a while. Nice to see you anyways. :hi:

Good to be here. :party: :bounce: :hi: :thumbsup:

The lawsuits continue and efforts to clean up the vote continue. Kerry and his people are paying attention and involved.

In the mean time, take a look at all he's done since the election. The guy is in constant motion and even raises 2006 money for potential 2008 opponents. He works for state and local candidates too.

I wasn't an early Kerrycrat and I don't think he's perfect. That said, the more I learn about him, the more impressive he becomes. This guy really is Presidential timber.

and more importantly he is a good DEMOCRAT. We need more like him. :patriot:

He was a great nominee. I would certainly vote for him again if he gets the nomination.

wouldn't vote for him again. I'd work overtime for him again if he does decide to run in '08.

Kerry won the 2004 election, but by convincing the country that he didn't, not only did they get to keep their nasty proto-dictatorship, but they effectively prevent a great man from ever taking the office in the future, because even those who voted for him turn against him, thinking he didn't have what it took.

Obviously, he had what it took to bring Dems together and into the voting booth...even with all the fraud and disenfranchisement, he managed to get unprecedented support.

who was my choice for 2004. the only people who were against him were the DLC cowards who didn't want to make an issue of what never shoud have disappeared as an issue: the stolen election of 2000.
gore nor kerry would be my first choice ever, but both would have been better than bush, inc.
kerry may not be as out of it as you think.

Just think of the possibilities if the past election had been honest! That poor excuse for a press conference witnessed today would not have happened in that manner. We would be able to look up to a man with integrity who can form a coherent sentence, and one who knows what's important in this country. Our best interests would be considered instead of cast aside so the fat cats can line their pockets. We wouldn't be vilified all over the world.
Should Senator Kerry decide to run again, I for one will not ignore him; there will be several candidates, and they all will get my ear, but I won't discount Kerry.

think Kerry is done with *co , everyones got their job to do including DU and the website's that won't let the election theft die and soon it will all merge, and I think Delay and Frist are the beginning of the end of these corrupt sobs and their vote stealing machines. I think Kerry was a part of the master plan to take these people out.

My two cents,for what its worth.

He's intelligent & a former prosecutor who could create a good master plan from behind the scenes. I'll never believe he's finished with *.

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say:shrug:

Kerry tried to beat the vote stealing machine, That did not work now Kerry is on to plan B.

I could start crying.

Kerry won. Look at that crowd. That says it all.
* had to solicit the people at his rallies.
People just showed up for Kerry.

Please post the link to that picture.
I want to keep it in my collection.

Thx!
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Remember how John Kerry blocked investigation into all those MIA/POW's in Vietnam??

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0408,schanberg,51276,1.html

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0408,schanberg2,51267,1.html

John Kerry Sucks.

What was WITH that article anyway?

And opening up Vietnam means they continue to find the remains of the missing. Without that, there would have been no hope of finding them.

So, did you think that McCain would also sell out the POWs if they were there?

Please don't go all "Ted Sampley" on us.

found and many more missing remains of soldiers were found thanks to the protocol put in place by Kerry's intensive work. Even John McCain credits Kerry for that in his book.

Be careful about what you read. GOP operatives have been posing as lefty writers and journos for decades, spreading disinformation.

the neo-con agenda. I love Senator Kerry even more now than before the election. Thank you for this post!

"Kerry has been awesome in the Senate. Standing up against the neo-con agenda"

so would that be while he was voting for the Patriot Act, while he was voting for the war in Iraq, or while he was disavowing interest in the Kyoto protocol?

he don't represent me.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

I love how you cherry pick TWO votes out of his entire 20 year career to claim that you can't support him. I am quite positive that you can pick 2 votes from any other liberal senator's record that you don't like and deceptively argue that they are conservative. Fortunately, most thinking people don't take that very seriously.

He was told by bushit that war was the last resort.
After the inspectors did their jobs, after bsh met with the leaders of the UN, after they developed a coalition.

I am sooooo sick of repeating that, after Kerry explained that for over a year.

The Senate was also told by the Liar in charge that they were voting to keep the peace.

And he has been very, very good this year. Voted against Condi, voted against the bankruptcy bill, against the bill that took away the rights of ordinary people to sue the powerful, voted against Torture Boy Gonzales, voted to try and save the Artic National Wildlife Refuge, voted against Roberts for the Supreme Court, voted against final passage of that awful sham of an energy bill and so much more. He has been an outstanding Democrat in his voting patterns this year.

He has also sponsored good legislation to actually help people in the Gulf Area.

I am sorry that none of the above votes and actions 'speak for you.' They sure as hell speak for me.

A mere mortal wouldnt stand a chance with these fascist nazi gasbags.

and he looks good doing it all!

Some here are as eager to tear him down as they are Bush. I find that incredibly sad and, well, harmful to the liberal agenda. Not that what they say matters; John Kerry will keep on doing what's right, and those who care about such things will keep on taking note.

http://www.presstitutes.com/presstitutes/2005/09/how_the_media_s.html

The Media's Role In The Maligning Of John Kerry

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He is an elitist. It was more important to him to maintain his stature as one of the ruling class than to make waves by questioning
the reliability of e-voting and the right wing controlled voting machine companies.

Over and over Kerry says "We have to get it right in Iraq"
What the f*ck does that mean? Still waiting for a real explanation on that one.

When John Kerry denounces that deathcult fraternity he and Georgie boy belong to and denounces the rats nest of elitist cronyism that it has helped create, then I will consider taking him seriously. Until then I will not support him because he has all the appearance of an elitist paid loser. The alternative for the left presented by the elites. Sure he would have been better than Bush but how much better?

Are you saying the time to "question the reliability of e-voting and the right wing controlled voting machine companies." was on 11/3/04?

just asking...

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The Carter Baker commission released their report with a feeble mention of paper trails for e-voting.

If Kerry really takes the issue on and denounces Skull and Bones elite cronyism I'll gladly support him. I would love to be wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.

he'll be labeled a sore loser.

My opinion is he has to fight this issue through back channels and surrogates. I believe that's what's happening.

Maybe you can question the validity of his medals, while you're at it. :eyes:

but he IS a Skull and Bonesman. A member of one of the worst elite fraternities.
Fratbrother to George W.

I take that about as seriously as I take Freemason/Illuminati/space alien conspiracy theories. A cursory scan of Kerry's life history does not show a man who was unafraid to take on wealthy and powerful interests - look at his VVAW activism, his career as a prosecutor, BCCI, and Iran-Contra, for starters. Those aren't the deeds of a man who is vested in some kind of shadow New World Order.

I'm talking about an elitist fraternity where the members are mostly extremely wealthy conservatives with a proven history of not crossing each other and also of putting each other in positions of power. That is a FACT. If it's no big deal than he can tell us all the secrets right?

And do some tawdry tell all about Skull and Bones. Bush has a history of giving cronies, including old Skull and Bones buddies, jobs. Kerry does not. His two best friends at Yale, whom he knew prior to being in Skull and Bones, were Richard Pershing and David Thorne. Both were also in Skull and Bones. Pershing died in Vietnam; Thorne is still one of Kerry's best friends. He does not have a cushy government contract, and by all accounts is a nice fellow. That's about as insidious as Kerry's involvement in the group gets.

I hope Kerry is an exception in the world of S&B. If he could at least address this concern rather than pretending it does not exist, that would help.
There is a well founded distrust of privilege and power in this country and to dismiss Skull and Bones as inconsequential is dangerous IMHO.

Exactly the same talking points...

a War Democrat, no matter how many Americans oppose this goddamned war (what is it, now over 70%?). Face it. Two rightwing corporations now control the vote tabulation with SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, protected by a corrupt and entrenched BIPARTISAN election officials establishment, created by the $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle.

So we can forget real elections for some time to come. The key to restoring our democracy will be how savvy we are, over the next 5 years or so, in "storming the Bastile" of electronic voting, and achieving transparency and verifiability in future elections. The war profiteers and looters are not going to jeopardize their Diebold and ES&S "advantage" by blatantly installing Bushites with 30% to 40% approval ratings, in my opinion. They are going to play this well. We are going to win some seats in Congress, but not enough to get any serious investigation of the Bush Cartel's crimes, or well-deserved impeachment. It will be modest gains--and only a few of the seats will be non-War Democrats. So don't get your hopes up.

But all Democrats--war and antiwar--have to pay lip service to progressive values like good government. That will create opportunities for us to clean up the election system, get rid of the some of the worst corruption, and start electing real representatives of the people.

I've always felt that John Kerry was a decent, intelligent guy--for all his ambivalent crap about the war (and his never, never mentioning the torture--that really bothered me). I think he had A LOT of really bad advice, and war entrenchment and electronic voting entrenchment in the Dem Party, to deal with, and won it anyway, due to the passionate involvement of the grass roots antiwar groups. Then he got told by the Dem powers-that-be that they would not support a challenge. What could he do? Nothing. Bush "pod people" controlling Congress. Hostile news monopolies. War profiteers on his case. Dem Party not behind him.

I don't blame HIM for it, particularly. I think he would have made a very good president, and maybe still would.

But I think we have a much graver problem than who we would like to support for prez in '08, and that is that we have absolutely no say in the matter.

"But I think we have a much graver problem than who we would like to support for prez in '08, and that is that we have absolutely no say in the matter".

Keep speaking the truth about these vote stealing machines.Sooner or later there will be enough people understand it.Bushco can run from Cindy, but he will find it very difficult to run from this.

especially if it looks like a Kerry vs. Hillary primary race.

I lurked around on some conservative websites yesterday to see what they were thinking about Harriet, and was amazed to see how much they continue to bash Kerry! He must have really gotten under their skin and I consider that a good thing!

The RW must really feel threatened by Kerry; why else do they feel the constant need to marginalize him?

,...and an accumulated wisdom every great leader should possess.

Kerry has touched, by experience, the depth of human experience necessary to actually SERVE the interests of "the people".

I admire his travels through life, his advocacy, his passion, his survival, his wisdom,...greatly. He is an exceptional man.

Portland - 50,000 plus



The hope train



When you could hear him speak without having to sign a loyalty oath


And those busy hours just two days before the election -


When you could have a chance meeting -


Even if you were from the other side



Yes, I remember ... and I still believe

Thanks for that. Go Kerry!

I STILL BELIEVE! :patriot: