Is this the story that proves gun advocates right?

Military quarantine of a region if the Bird Flu breaks out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1826007&mesg_id=1826007

I would have a serious problem with the military "quarantining" any part of this country.

If the government ever does decide to come after people, unless you own tanks, planes and nuclear weapons, you are ****ed. That's what they have, so I don't care if you're Ted Nugent and you brush your teeth with bullet clips. If it comes down to a nightmare scenario where they do that, all those guns may help a little against individuals, but when they send in the full forces, it's goodnight.

And for some every news story seems like an excuse to fuss over their little metal friends....

"Mr Dick, a gentle lunatic in Charles Dickens’ David Copperfield, lives with David’s aunt, Betsy Trotwood. For about ten years, Mr Dick had been trying to write a petition, a memorial, to the Lord Chancellor on the subject of some imagined dispute, exactly what the book never makes clear, but the subject of King Charles’s head keeps intruding into the text. Betsy Trotwood discusses his affliction at one point with the young David: “ ‘Did he say anything to you about King Charles the First, child?’ ‘Yes, aunt.’ ‘Ah!’ said my aunt, rubbing her nose as if she were a little vexed. ‘That’s his allegorical way of expressing it. He connects his illness with great disturbance and agitation, naturally, and that’s the figure, or the simile, or whatever it’s called, which he chooses to use.’ ”"

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-kin1.htm

Not on the issue of guns, but our military is having trouble maintaining the Green Zone. I can't see them taking over every holler and alley in America any time soon.

This should really be in the gun forum, but I'll shut up now.

from leaving or entering a hot (infected) zone. They could do that very well, using helicopters, tanks, night vision, gunships, all that great stuff we paid for... Iraq is different -- they are trying to hold a city, and if I'm not mistaken, most of our casualties are from IEDs, not guns.

How much explosives do you have on hand? When was the last time the Iraqis engaged in a real fire fight? Almost all the major damage against US Forces is from IEDs or rocket/mortar attacks. Unless the American people have access to the same sort of equipment as the Iraqis have you can not make a comparison. Americans are living with a pipe dream if they think their 30:06 rifle is going to stop even their local police let alone the US Army. If the government wants to take away the people's right to have or do anything there really is not a damn thing we can do. We can't even vote if they control the ballot box.

You can make bombs out of fertilizer and frozen orange jiuce concentrate. Not that I would, mind.

I'm just saying that our military can't hold a single foreign city.

An entire nation as large as ours is a stretch. Really.

If the "government" ever does decide to come after the Murkin people, the people driving the tanks and targeting the missiles will refuse to shoot Murkin civilians.

Not to say its not good to be an armed populace, but the soldiers are not lock-step brainwashed Soviet style goons. To get the gummint after you you have to be some extremist outfit hiding in the hills of Idaho or a wacky cult in a compound.

When the gummint comes after its own people, they do it one person at a time, they don't use bombs or nukes or tanks (with rare exceptions). They use cops.

opinion on guns.

Touche

You planning to shoot flu victims?

Is there something about this flu that requires assault weapons instead of plain old rifles and shotguns?

Is one of the symptoms of the flu that you have to buy your gun at a gun show because you can't pass a background check?

Is it going to make those who survive the outbreak bulletproof?

Like in some George Romero flick. "Flu of the Dead", or something...

:shrug:

Yes, this shows why gun advocates were right to pretend John Lott's pseudoscience wasn't just horseshit funded by the gun lobby.....people could get the flu! (huh?)

Need... More... NyQuil... !!

How you been? Haven't seen you in a while!

I love watching you take the gun folks to task though. :)

Glad to see you around...

I mean to protect yourself from the government and to be able to escape the "quarantine" if they are just leaving you there to die.

"I mean to protect yourself from the government and to be able to escape the "quarantine" if they are just leaving you there to die."
Bang! Bang Bang! Bang! And then aftere you gun down the evil FEMA workers, you could find a hot chick and escape together,swinging on vines like Tarzan...

Because it will be coming in from another country by air, it will show up simultaneously in all the major and most of the secondary population centers. Basically, in the whole country at once. So there won't be an area to quarantine.

Individual communities may quarantine themselves from the outside world while the flu runs it's course. Some did that in 1918, and it worked.

... happening here in the next year? Or perhaps in the next three years?

I'm interested in your opinion on this. You seem to know quite a lot about this issue.

I am not being facetious with you. There just isn't that much information to go on. It is sort of like rolling the dice. Avian Flu is going to mutate to a human to human easily transmissable form, but nobody can tell when, or exactly what it form will be when it does. It may lose it's lethality, or it become even more deadly.

Most of what I know comes from reading John M Barry's book about the 1918 flu, titled: "The Great Influenza". Surprisingly, although we know a lot more about the flu, we still can't treat it much better than we could in 1918.

Scary!

:think:

We are pretty tight here. It's a small area, but a lot of people to quarantine.

The breeding ground is in Asia. That is where the mutation will happen. The airliner that brings it to NYC will drop it off in other cities too. And from your air terminal, it will quickly spread to many other parts of the USA & the world.

When it hits the USA, it will pop up everywhere at once.

that will ever prove 'gun advocates' wrong?

My guess is their nightmare story begins with "Once upon a time, people decided to reject barbarianism and live as a civilized society...."

The Daily Show once ran a piece on Arizona's idiotic "drunks with guns in bars" law, and Ed Helms mused aloud, "Is there anything as terrifying as a room full of people without guns?"

If I wanna spread infection willy-nilly, then no two-bit National Guard troop is gonna stop me from doin' it! I'll blast 'em! Pow! Pow! You'll never take me alive, copper.

Sheesh...

Sid

I get your point. Remember the stories about how FEMA was leaving people to die at the morgue? Well what if they decide all of NYC needs to die to save the country?

off with our guns. The military has tanks and nukes. You are living in a Ruby Ridge/G. Gordon Liddy dreamworld if you think we could hold off the military with NRA members and their semi-automatics.

Chaos in Iraq is one thing. Revolution in the streets of the US would not be tolerated. Can anyone say firebombing of whole cities?

and I can also say that if the country rises in revolution, there is no way in hell they can hold back 360 million, hell not even 50 million, short of using nuclear waepons, once taht happens, and we are in trouble then... the world will be forced to declare teh counry a rogue country and might even interfere.

Look a civil war in this country is a possibilty, and the use of nukes on our population is a possibilty... the fact they are floating all these balloons about the use of the military and the cancellatiion of Posse Comitatus may tell you taht NSA and other Intel Agencies may have concluded we are not too far from one, and they are taking preemtive meassures

As for me, I prefer Gandhi, who freed an entire sub-continent without firing a shot.

Now that's moral superiority.

which is common coin at any gun show, is that every once in a while one of these trigger-happy darlings gets overheated and shoots the mailman or blows up a daycare center "as a wake-up call to America" "to avert the coming civil war."

I think we have come across each other before in vain attempts to get the vehemently prog-gunners to at least consider the posibility that guns are not the sacred objects the NRA considers them to be.

I don't understand the *irrational* attachment to these weapons, especially when the SOLE purpose of them is to commit harm. I can see a reasoned discussion about plusses and minuses, but not this Charlton Heston "from my cold, dead hands" stuff.

And, in my opinion, if there ever was a revolution in this country (and I am not saying we won't need one once the Repubs steal another election), then the pro-gun, right-wing militias are not the ones to lead it (heck, they probably wouldn't even be on our side).

As they say, the pen is mightier than the sword.

seem to have this "I'm gonna shoot other Americans in the glorious revolution" fantasy running around their heads.

Lotsa luck getting even 360 followers with the fantasies you peddle...


"Look a civil war in this country is a possibilty, and the use of nukes on our population is a possibilty... "
And then we all might mutate into superheroes, and then we could get this really cool headquarters at the bottom of the sea...