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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:14 PM
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Idiot o'reilly blames 82nd Airborne for SS atrocity...
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 08:21 PM by slor
Sorry if already posted, but I just saw this on C&L. That "moran" blamed Americans for the Malmedy massacre, where SS troops killed unarmed Americans. Have the veteran groups been notified of this anti-American bastard?
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:15 PM
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1. He did what??!! How'd he make that argument?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:17 PM
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5. The Troops got captured....making them guilty? Is that what he is saying??
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:20 PM
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7. I guess they shot themselves in the back, too.
:wtf:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:27 PM
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15. People could get killed or maimed listening to Billy O .believing his shit
they venture into bars and lounges...get into discussions and they spew Billys crap thinking its true...when its not...and ...voila...big fight and sometimes violence when they meet peeps who know better.

Billy is a DANGER to his brain washed flock/listeners/audience
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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:22 PM
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11. His argument, essentially, was that the US' committing atrocities
was just part of war. He kept trying to steamroller Clark by throwing out a succession of examples, like Mi Lai.

It was absolutley clear that he had NO idea about the 82's being the victim, rather than the perpetrator.

Fox has purged the damning language, leaving his statement ambiguous. Pathetic.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:23 PM
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12. Oh good lord...what a dumbass.
Does he not know his history? Criminy...
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:36 PM
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18. He also doesn't know the difference between a loofah and
falafel.
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BeyondThePale Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:16 PM
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2. As I recall, O'Reilly was taken to the woodshed by
Wesley Clark about this!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:17 PM
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3. You know what the weird thing is? Joe McCarthy did the same thing
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 08:18 PM by hatrack
Seriously, back in the late 40s, "Tailgunner Joe" managed to insert himself into an investigation of the Malmedy Massacre (carried out by SS troops under Joachim Peiper, just for the record) and managed to so muddy and screw up the proceedings that some guys who shouldn't have, walked.

But ol' Fightin' Joe got his name in the papers and got hisself reelected, so whaddyaknow?

And now Captain Liverspot is following in the footsteps of the man he apparently so fervently admires. :puke:
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:20 PM
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9. Peiper walked but...
he got his justice in 1976 when he was killed in an attack on his house in France.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:21 PM
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10. I never knew that!
Thanks for the update, slor! :toast:
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Dharma_Bum Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:17 PM
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4. The Veterans groups ...
... Have ALWAYS know this guy to be a un-American f*ck!
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:20 PM
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6. o'reilly is as useful as a used piece of toilet paper. n/t
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:20 PM
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8.  The SOB has a lot to say for a man who wouldn't join!
:grr:
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:26 PM
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14. Yeah, one adoring right wing acquaintance bragged to me that
Bill O'reilly is 6' 6" tall. My reply, "Damn! I didn't know they could stack shit that high?"

Needless to say, we have not talked politics since. ;)
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:29 PM
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16. a few nights walking "point" would have done him good!
I love to see how tough he is when someone is trying to kill him..
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:25 PM
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13. Ok....
Asshat was pushing the idea that Abu Gharib was both A.Mostly college hazing by a few bad apples, or B.A great American tradition practiced in all wars.His examples were My Lai in Viet Nam (Clark pointed out that Courts Martial proved it was NOT the status Quo) and Malmedy with no frame of reference in WWII...Appearantly thought it was committed by US troops, proving himself to be as clueless as he is Bush apologist....
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:35 PM
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17. Transcript........
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:39 PM
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19. I saw that clip with Clark, thought I had misheard. What an ignoramus! n/t
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:58 PM
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20. O'Rielly needs to be taken over the coals on this.
Blaming the American 82nd airborne for the Malmady massacre... where did he get his history degree, he needs to have it revoked.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:33 PM
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21. I just read the transcript
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 09:38 PM by sofa king
First of all, I'd like to say that General Clark is as usual a paragon of decency and clarity in the face of... idiocy.

Not only is O'Reilly a moron, I think he's getting worse. The statement he made is this:

"General, you need to look at the Malmedy massacre in World War II and the 82nd Airborne."

Clark rightly didn't want to discuss that matter, which has little application to the present, so he shut O'Reilly down.

If one were to give O'Reilly more credit than he is due, one might conjecture that he was attempting to make the following argument: after the massacre at Malmedy, an order came from Eisenhower's headquarters which stated that German SS and fallschirmjaeger troops were to be shot on sight.

But again, even if one were to give O'Reilly the credit of knowing that much, he's still a dumbass. That order also takes into account the abortive "Operation Greif," in which fallschirmjaeger (paratrooper) troops were dropped behind American lines to disrupt the rear and, supposedly, to assassinate high-level allied commanders. The brainchild of special operations expert Otto Skorzeny, Operation Grief included English-speaking soldiers dressed in captured American uniforms. Both sides in the war considered uniform-stealing to be tantamount to spying, a capital offense.

World War II was a rotten, shitty war, and the Malmedy repercussions did little more than add a legalistic cast to what was already pretty well established by the Allies on the Atlantic side (ask the Canadians about the Hitler Youth Division sometime), and practically codified by the Americans in the Pacific. The reason why Clark didn't want to discuss Malmedy is because the Americans learned from World War II (and specifically Malmedy) that being decent to prisoners was an excellent way of getting otherwise dangerous enemy troops to surrender. We do it because it works, and General Clark rightly told Dild O'Reilly just as much.


{Edit: a crucially misplaced "not")
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 05:42 AM
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22. No need to give that idiot credit...
You read the altered transript. He actually said, "General, you need to look at the Malmedy massacre in World War II and the 82nd Airborne WHO DID IT." No amount of "conjecture" can change that.
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