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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:11 PM
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Larry Johnson: PLAMEGATE UPDATE
The investigation into who in the Bush Administration leaked the name of CIA non-official cover case officer, Valerie Plame aka Mrs. Joseph Wilson, is winding down. Unfortunately the media is primed to paint the outing of Valerie as a non-issue if no indictments are forthcoming. Regardless of whether anyone in the Bush Administration is indicted, what was done to Valerie Plame Wilson was wrong and morally reprehensible. Rather than hold members of his Administration to the highest ethical and moral standards, President George W. Bush has not only lowered the standard of what is acceptable conduct by members of his Administration, his actions and inactions have weakened the CIA and its ability to accomplish its various national security missions.

Based on recent discussions with a variety of friends who do not have experience with the intel community and have not followed this case closely, I believe it useful to get some key facts on the record. Again, whether there is or is not an indictment, the Republican spin machine will be out in force spreading lies and it is critical that the citizens of this country have clear facts to judge the truth of the matter.

Here is the timeline with sources:

FACT 1 -- Vice President Cheney asked the CIA on 13 February 2002 to find out the truth about intel reports that Iraq was trying to acquire uranium from Niger.


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I don't know if Karl Rove or Lewis Libby or others will be indicted. But this much is certain. What was done to Valerie Plame was an outrageous betrayal. If the President cannot recognize or acknowledge that simple fact he does not deserve to be the Commander in Chief of the United States. It does not have to be illegal to be wrong. Mr. President, people under your command have done wrong and you sit idly by doing nothing to hold them accountable. Sadly, this is the common theme of your Administration.

Link:

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/10/plamegate_updat.html


Mr Johnson provides a total of ten key facts and details. I urge all of you to read his post and spread the information to everyone you can. Thank you.


Peace.



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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:13 PM
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1. Niiiice! Thanks! Recommended! n/t
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:17 PM
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2. TREASON & They Put EVERY American Man, Woman & Child at RISK of WMDs
by OUTING our Agent Working to Disrupt and Expose clandestine and terrorist related activities regarding WMDs :argh:

that FACT is NEVER mentioned by our M$MWs

peace
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:19 PM
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3. "he doesn't deserve to be Commander in Chief".....
DUH! Never has deserved it, never will. First term appointee by the Supreme Whores, second term stolen by the use of "friendly" voting machines and crooked election officials.

I'd say he doesn't deserve to be Commander in Chief alright! :grr:
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:25 PM
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4. Wow! Well, this Kids' Turning-Off PAY CABLE TV End-Of-The-Month
I'm done. Nothing on anyway but Propaganda Lies!

American Traitors! They can spin that one off to their investors.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:02 PM
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15. But... But... You'll miss Keith Olbermann... N/T
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:25 PM
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5. gotta spread the word ... recommended ... should be on front page
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:40 PM
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6. kick n/t
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:41 PM
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7. Indictments or not, the intel community knows what happened and
they will not forget.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:41 PM
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8. We all owe a great deal of respect and gratitude to Larry Johnson &
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 09:42 PM by understandinglife
.... his Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity colleagues.

The record is solid and clear. VIPS informed Bush twice prior to March 19, 2003 that what he and his administration were telling to the Congress, to the American people (in his State of the Union Address), to the UN, to the world was false, fabricated. They informed the President on March 18, 2003 that the Niger documents were forgeries.

They also informed every American because their Feb 2003 and March 2003 Memos to Bush were openly published by CommonDreams and the US corporate disinformation and propaganda system, from the NYTimes to every TV broadcast conglomerate did not use the expert information to serve the Republic, the Constitution and humanity.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0207-04.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0319-08.htm


Peace.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:42 PM
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9. Kick and recommended! Thanks. ....n/t
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:44 PM
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10. The one he's missing
As are most people is that after Novak published her name, he did another article which identified Brewster Jennings, her cover company.

*That* is plain on espionage which did grave harm to the security of the US. By far more serious consequences than just Valerie's name.

-Hoot
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:00 PM
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11. Absolutely. Why is this sick fuck not in jail?
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 10:01 PM by electropop
The outing of Brewster Jennings destroyed her anti-WMD work of course, but the damage goes way beyond that. This has destroyed recruiting efforts for a very long time to come. Who would be crazy enough to risk their lives spying against their own country, when our government might choose at any moment to publicize their efforts?

This is not the only time Bush has done this, either. There was the case of the Al Qaeda operative whom the Brits and Pakistanis were using as a mole. W decided to personally blab about that operation, which allegedly was very close to capturing Bin Laden. But we couldn't have the prayznit's buddy get caught and maybe spill the beans, so the operation had to be terminated.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:50 AM
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20. Yup and one of the Al Queda folks that got away...
... as a result of that exposure was one that helped put together the London bombings! The Brits must love us for that!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:02 PM
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12. Correct. And, some additional details.
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 10:03 PM by understandinglife
He has commented on that in earlier posts and, importantly, he testified on the matter in a Joint Senate, House hearing on July 22, 2005:

http://talkleft.com/johnson722.pdf

For those not familiar with the issue, even as early as October, 2003 Warren Strobel wrote convincingly of the gravity of what was done to our National Security by leaking both Valerie Plame's name and association with Brewster Jennings:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1011-01.htm


Peace.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:15 PM
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13. Kick kick ... KICK damn it! n/t
:kick:
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:39 PM
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14. Kick!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:36 AM
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16. Larry Johnson has a consistent record of telling the truth!
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 12:36 AM by autorank
:kick::kick::kick::kick:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:41 AM
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17. Larry Johnson is an American hero
Yeah, he's republican. But he's not a neocon....and it's taken folks like him (Richard Clarke, Scott Ritter) to help speak truth to power.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:46 AM
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19. The Bush admin is a criminal one.
Congress is complicit with the Bush Admin. crimes because it has refused to bring the required charges against this Bush Admin.

Here is one of many examples of this complicity.

Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:45 AM
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18. Emailed Larry Johnson a link to this thread as I thought he should ...
... see the comments, thus far. Important for him and his VIPS colleagues to know how much their efforts are appreciated.


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:59 AM
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21. Robert Fisk: "How the World Was Duped: The Race to Invade Iraq"
How the world was duped: the race to invade Iraq. Exclusive extract from Robert Fisk's new book

When Colin Powell made his notorious final pitch for war at the UN Security Council, Robert Fisk was there. In the latest extract from his explosive new book, he recalls a tragi-comic occasion.



The 5th of February 2003 was a snow-blasted day in New York, the steam whirling out of the road covers, the US secret servicemen - helpfully wearing jackets with "Secret Service" printed on them - hugging themselves outside the fustian, asbestos-packed UN headquarters on the East River. Exhausted though I was after travelling thousands of miles around the United States, the idea of watching Secretary of State Colin Powell - or General Powell, as he was now being reverently redubbed in some American newspapers - make his last pitch for war before the Security Council was an experience not to be missed.

In a few days, I would be in Baghdad to watch the start of this frivolous, demented conflict. Powell's appearance at the Security Council was the essential prologue to the tragedy - or tragicomedy if one could contain one's anger - the appearance of the Attendant Lord who would explain the story of the drama, the Horatio to the increasingly unstable Hamlet in the White House.

There was an almost macabre opening to the play when General Powell arrived at the Security Council, cheek-kissing the delegates and winding his great arms around them. CIA director George Tenet stood behind Powell, chunky, aggressive but obedient, just a little bit lip-biting, an Edward G Robinson who must have convinced himself that the more dubious of his information was buried beneath an adequate depth of moral fury and fear to be safely concealed. Just like Bush's appearance at the General Assembly the previous September, you needed to be in the Security Council to see what the television cameras missed. There was a wonderful moment when the little British home secretary Jack Straw entered the chamber through the far right-hand door in a massive power suit, his double-breasted jacket apparently wrapping itself twice around Britain's most famous ex-Trot. He stood for a moment with a kind of semi-benign smile on his uplifted face, his nose in the air as if sniffing for power. Then he saw Powell and his smile opened like an umbrella as his small feet, scuttling beneath him, propelled him across the stage and into the arms of Powell for his big American hug.

More at the link:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article316651.ece


Message is simple: The Whole World Knows and IS REPULSED.

Bush and his neoconster fellow war criminals will be recorded as such in the history of humanity and, short of them annihilating every single member of the species homo sapiens that is an inescapable fact.


Peace.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 02:15 AM
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22. I have finished "Rove's War"!
So it's going to be shipping starting tomorrow - a complete Chronology of Plamegate, 2 DVDs totalling 150+ minutes of RED MEAT for those interested in the WHOLE STORY. Johnson figures Prominently in this film, I end the film with his statement, and then a song I wrote and performed for the credits, called "Secret Agent Plame" (based on the old tune "Secret Agent Man")..

We are working up a fund raiser page for Takebackthemedia.com to send DVDs to those that donate, I'm checking with Skinner right now to see when I can make the announcement here, but I'd sure like to send a copy to Mr Johnson, he's my hero and I've spent a lot of time with him in the editing portion of the film :)

Any way you can PM me an email addy for him? Plus I think he'd get a kick out of the song which I'm going to post here soon, hopefully just in time for the indictments..

Thanks for the post, this guy should be running the CIA!
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 05:17 AM
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23. kick
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 05:20 AM
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24. Mr. Johnson and his colleagues are true American Patriots!
It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government.- Thomas Paine

Larry Johnson is a Republican who places his country before party. A man of integrity and courage...

Thank you, Mr. Johnson, for living up to your responsibility as an American. Truth to power.

Peace.:patriot:
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 05:27 AM
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25. Song written & performed by Symbolman "Secret Agent Plame"
for Fitz! Go GET those Bush BASTARDS!

It's the song I wrote and performed to honor Valerie Plame and for the credits of my film "Rove's War" that many here have been waiting for me to finish and ship.. (I was ill for about a month, really bad, better now tho)

Well, the film is done for those of you at the DU that have been so patient so I'll be sending your copies out in the next two days, meanwhile you can listen to the music I wrote for the credits (actually I wrote all the music in the film and performed that too, but it's a lot more low key)..

and I want to thank each of you for your patience, I apologise profusely but besides being very ill, I wanted to be sure and do a good job, so you'll probably be pleased with the two DVD set, 150+ minutes of hearings, (Downing Street Minutes with Conyers), graphics, hilarious right wing hypocrisy and a Chronology of the Plame outing from the beginning up to this point, that you'll be getting in the mail

You can hear "Secret Agent Plame" at http://www.takebackthemedia.com

Hope you enjoy, if you do, kick this thread and let me know and pass it around if your would, I want Fitz and Wilson, maybe Rove and Libby to hear this one!

Thanks again for your patience,

Symbolman

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 05:29 AM
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26. I expect indictments.
The judges that reviewed the two journalists' appeals recognized that there was something extremely important involved in Fitzgerald's investigation. Under the US Supreme Court decision that allows a prosecutor to force a reporter to testify, the judge(s) review the circumstances to make sure it is indeed vital to the case, and that the case is significant enough to take such a drastic step. This met those standards. It is almost impossible to imagine that Miller would be incarcerated on a case that did not lead to indictments ... and that those indictments were not of a serious nature. It is, of course, important to remember that this is a case being determined by a grand jury, not a prosecutor or judge.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:21 PM
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27. that's right. Bush's boys were wrong
and Bush is not doing anything about it.
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