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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:17 PM
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Alexander Hamilton on the Miers nomination: Bush should be "ashamed"
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 11:17 PM by BurtWorm
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/5/16435/0341


What would the Founding Fathers say about Miers?
By Kate Cambor | bio
From: Politics
Reader MM brought this gem to our attention.
Writing about the appointing power of the Executive, Alexander Hamilton explained:

"<The President> would be both ashamed and afraid to bring forward, for the most distinguished or lucrative stations, candidates who had no other merit than that of coming from the same State to which he particularly belonged, or of being in some way or other personally allied to him, or of possessing the necessary insignificance and pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of his pleasure."
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:19 PM
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1. the madness of king george
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:20 PM
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2. Eeewwwww
He said "instruments of his pleasure." Can't even bear the thought. :puke:

Seriously though, Hamilton was the 18th century equivalent of a conservative/pro-aristocracy/pro-upper-class politician, so coming from him, it carries particular weight.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:20 PM
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3. The man could turn a phrase...
and anticipate so well. Founded the Coast Guard, didn't he?

Coasties: first into NOLA to get people off roofs.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:35 PM
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4. in other words, Hamilton didn't anticipate GWBush
Or maybe he did:

It is too true, however disgraceful it may be to human nature, that nations in general will make war whenever they have a prospect of getting anything by it; nay, absolute monarchs will often make war when their nations are to get nothing by it, but for the purposes and objects merely personal, such as thirst for military glory, revenge for personal affronts, ambition, or private compacts to aggrandize or support their particular families or partisans. These and a variety of other motives, which affect only the mind of the sovereign, often lead him to engage in wars not sanctified by justice or the voice and interests of his people.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/federal/fed04.htm

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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:49 AM
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5. kick for Alexander Hamilton
I think he was smoking the victory hemp by #76:

To this reasoning it has been objected that the President, by the influence of the power of nomination, may secure the complaisance of the Senate to his views. This supposition of universal venalty in human nature is little less an error in political reasoning, than the supposition of universal rectitude. The institution of delegated power implies, that there is a portion of virtue and honor among mankind, which may be a reasonable foundation of confidence; and experience justifies the theory. It has been found to exist in the most corrupt periods of the most corrupt governments. The venalty of the British House of Commons has been long a topic of accusation against that body, in the country to which they belong as well as in this; and it cannot be doubted that the charge is, to a considerable extent, well founded. But it is as little to be doubted, that there is always a large proportion of the body, which consists of independent and public-spirited men, who have an influential weight in the councils of the nation. Hence it is (the present reign not excepted) that the sense of that body is often seen to control the inclinations of the monarch, both with regard to men and to measures. Though it might therefore be allowable to suppose that the Executive might occasionally influence some individuals in the Senate, yet the supposition, that he could in general purchase the integrity of the whole body, would be forced and improbable. A man disposed to view human nature as it is, without either flattering its virtues or exaggerating its vices, will see sufficient ground of confidence in the probity of the Senate, to rest satisfied, not only that it will be impracticable to the Executive to corrupt or seduce a majority of its members, but that the necessity of its co-operation, in the business of appointments, will be a considerable and salutary restraint upon the conduct of that magistrate. Nor is the integrity of the Senate the only reliance. The Constitution has provided some important guards against the danger of executive influence upon the legislative body: it declares that "No senator or representative shall during the time FOR WHICH HE WAS ELECTED, be appointed to any civil office under the United States, which shall have been created, or the emoluments whereof shall have been increased, during such time; and no person, holding any office under the United States, shall be a member of either house during his continuance in office.''

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/federal/fed76.htm
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 09:42 AM
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6. kick
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