There are two factions in the White House.

One is the PNAC/perpetual war and the other is the Grover Norquist/corporate bunch. I've been thinking about it because it puzzled me for a long time until I read Blumenthal's article in Salon.

The PNAC bunch which includes Libby/Cheney and the rest of the signees to the document plus others who haven't signed but agree and the corporate bunch which includes Rove/Bush are about to go down. This explains Libby's note about aspens to Miller. The Libby bunch are "turning" on the corporate bunch to save their hides. Up until they realized Fitzgerald meant business, they used each other to further their own agendas which to the detriment of the country, was working very well for both.

Libby assured Miller that even though they "turned", some of them (PNAC) may go down but the roots will still be there to grow to trees again at a future time. They will dump on the corporate bunch if they can but since they don't know what all Fitzgerald has, they can't be sure he won't get some of the PNAC members. Hopefully Fitzgerald decimates both bunches.

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some dire shit else its off to jail...hopw he sweating buckets in floodesque proportions....a deluge of sorts...HAHAHahaha

I suppose that they are the willing dupes that provide the votes to keep the whole god damned enterprise afloat.

(Actually, it's the other way around.)

pro-lifers, corporations, media and anyone else they could to gain control and keep control of the white house. Both factions made the mistake of thinking they could make no mistakes because they had been getting away with anything they wanted so why not this one? Although Cheney had a few deeper reasons for outing Plame, most of the others called it revenge for questioning them.

you remember it to be" vote. The fundies want Roe gone. They want all this talk about gays and equal rights and workers benefits and a that messy stuff to just go away. They though they finally found the person to do that for them in Shrub. He said the right tings, and actually looked good with the people he niminated to the fed courts.

But when it came to the BIG enchalada...he let them down!

If you're right on the two factions in the WH, I'll bet they turn on each other! Happens all the time in the real world. Lets hope it happens there too!

He is practically speaking in tongues he is in such a frenzy.
In reality it's the last thing in the world they want to happen, because after that what's left?

or Falwell, I can't remember which, is a board member of the Heritage Foundation (think its Falwell, can't remember).

If so, the next few months could prove extrememly ibnteresting!

Either way, I think Fallertson gets the memos and Dobson just wishes his addy was on the list...

The Fundamentalists are opportunists.

They are attracted to the wealth and power of the corpratists because they think they are living in the shining city on a hill and thus they are above the masses, they are the elite, and where are their two houses and seven cars, god damn it!

At the same time, they are attracted to the bushit moralism of the neo-Cons who have sold them on the idea of an imperial mission using America's military might. They confuse it with "god's sword", smiting enemies. They forget that ultimately wars are won by winning hearts and minds. Yes, military might is useful when you are in the way, like Poland and France were in Germany's way in WW2. However, Germany could never win the hearts and minds of England, Russia, and America.

Because the fundies are not deep thinkers, they ultimately side with the moralism of the neo-Cons since it seems more moral than the corpratists.

If I saw that a bunch of people who believed anything that Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and Jerry Falwell said WITHOUT QUESTION, I'd be tempted to see how much BS they'd accept from my political messages to them. All I'd have to do is spend some "quality time" with them, make some comforting "Mmm-hmmm" noises, and promise to make everything all better on their list, and I'd have them. Too tempting not to con them, especially as their votes were needed for my agenda.

rest of us--they just can't see it.

I'm betting on the corporate crooks.

If money always won, Britain would still be ruling India, and the US would be ruling China.

big money won NAFTA, GATT, WTO, Telecommunications Bill, CAFTA, Medicare Drug Bill, Energy Bill, Bankruptcy Bill, FCC Rulings, and who knows how many spending bills and defense contracts. If it comes down to neocons and corporatists in the Bush administration, the money boys will be all over the White House like stink on shit. The neocons will suffocate in the stench.

Dammit. Where was that. Argh. Stupid memory! Work damn you!

:grind: :klunk: :shudder: BOING!


Ah. Here it is. I KNEW I had seen this.

TEXT:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=417&row=1
VIDEO:
http://www.gregpalast.com/video/palastmarch%2705.mp4

"The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed. Two years ago today - when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad - protestors claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq's oil once Saddam had been conquered. In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State Department "pragmatists."

"Big Oil" appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants. Insiders told Newsnight that planning began "within weeks" of Bush's first taking office in 2001, long before the September 11th attack on the US. An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant Falah Aljibury says he took part in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East. He described a State Department plan for a forced coup d'etat."

\snip\

"The industry-favored plan was pushed aside by yet another secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq's oil fields. The new plan, crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq's oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas. The sell-off was given the green light in a secret meeting in London headed by Ahmed Chalabi shortly after the US entered Baghdad, according to Robert Ebel. Mr. Ebel, a former Energy and CIA oil analyst, now a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, flew to the London meeting, he told Newsnight, at the request of the State Department."

\snip\

"New plans, obtained from the State Department by Newsnight and Harper's Magazine under the US Freedom of Information Act, called for creation of a state-owned oil company favored by the US oil industry. It was completed in January 2004, Harper's discovered, under the guidance of Amy Jaffe of the James Baker Institute in Texas. Former US Secretary of State Baker is now an attorney. His law firm, Baker Botts, is representing ExxonMobil and the Saudi Arabian government."

because the PNAC and corporate agendas aren't appealing to religious-oriented voters. But they have no real power, and are just there to pay lip service to the voters. My 2 cents.

Notice they haven't been given too much? For instance, after the election Bush did something very telling that I have not forgotten. He said the anti-gay marriage ammendement was "not important" right now. That goes counter to EVERYTHING he said during the campaign.

and then tuck it away in the closet (no pun intended) to keep it nice for '08.

Could the cryptic reference to biological threats refer to the new Avain Bird Flu hype?

reason the PNAC nuts want perpetual war is to promote US corporate interests (no one is more corporatist than the Cheney/Halliburton fusion entity which is why he's so behind PNAC). Why does PNAC want a grotesquely bloated military? Because they are neck-deep in the corporations that comprise the military-industrial complex. Why does PNAC hate Saddam? Because Iraq's oil contracts were primarily with French and German corporations and because he was not a strict corporate capitalist.

Also, I don't think Rove is a PNAC/corporatist. He's like DeLay -- a partisan hack without any core beliefs except he violently favors whatever will maximize the influence of the Republican Party which he feeds off of like a tick and he would sell out any part of the Republican Party to further the influence of the remainder of the Party.

them as dumbfucks and assholes.

You mean, Dumb and Dumber?