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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:20 PM
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If Dems don't step up, we're looking at a McCain presidency in '09
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 12:20 PM by Stevendsmith
When I say step up, I mean they need to effectively debunk the myth that they "don't stand for anything."

They are not doing that.

And if you don't believe a crapload of "moderate" voters wouldn't gladly vote for McCain, you're crazy.

We're gonna get another Republican in the White House if the Dems continue in their ineptitude.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:21 PM
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1. I think Hagel will be the one to beat
same idea, but I think McCain won't run.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:23 PM
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3. Nope. The neocons need a puppet.
Either Allen or Rice fills the bill.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:22 PM
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2. We're gonna get another Republican in the White House if the Repiglicans
count the votes.

Paper Ballots, Hand Counts now
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:24 PM
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4. Not really.
John McCain would be.. let's see *calculates* 73 years old. Plus, he *MAY* not be a legitimate American citizen.

I just found out that John McCain was born in CANAL ZONE, PANAMA!!!

I'm checking when Panama gained its independence from the US.

Oh nevermind. His dad was the Commander of the entire US Fleet.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:32 PM
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7. The left side of his face is really swelling up too
I think he may have to have more surgery.. Shortly after the melanoma surgery he had, he explained the swelling as "post-op", but it's been getting bigger (at least to me it looks bigger)..
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:26 PM
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5. Dems need to paint McCain in his true colors NOW
Don't wait to attack him during the heat of a national campaign. He is against choice except for the LIFE of the mother (he said it on Hardball within the past couple of months)...not health of mother or fatal genetic malformation of the fetus or anything else...LIFE of mother only.

He originally opposed stem cell research but changed his position within the last 6 months...Flip-flop or polling results.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:30 PM
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6. The Right Wing GOP'ers will never let him have the Nomination
Remember the South Carolina primary of 2000?

Should he announce, we can sit back and watch the Swiftboating of McCain and not worry about him in 2008.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:33 PM
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9. You're right, he'll never get by the Republican primaries.
He's their Joe Lieberman.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:33 PM
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8. 2008 is a long way away
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:48 PM
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11. Yes! Win 2006 to get 2008 votes counted, to impeach, and to block SCOTUS
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mojavekid Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:44 PM
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10. McCain/Bush,
as in Jeb Bush. This from my friend in Arizona, and what he fears the most.

I agree with him, and as for a puppet, McCain has sold his soul for a shot at being pres.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:54 PM
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12. You may be right. He's just the kind of guy "moderates" love.
While the Democratic "leaders" are busily trying to become more Republican yet keep the facade of being "moderate", McCain's already there without the "liberal" baggage that the "not too liberal" dem candidates carry.

If he were a Dem, the DLC would be slobbering all over themselves with glee at finding a candidate that they could sell as a "real" Democrat.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:57 PM
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Dupe, oops n/t
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 12:58 PM by sandnsea
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:57 PM
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13. Who is spreading the myth?
Kind of hard to debunk a myth when your own people spread the myth instead of the work you're doing.

Senate Democrats Demand New Course Amid Questions On Iraq
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1402

Senate Democrats Renew Call for Energy Independence By 2020
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1399

Democrats Question FTC Oil Refinery Merger Approvals
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1398

John Edwards Launches "Project Opportunity" http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1396

Reid, Democrats Demand End to Culture of Cronyism and Corruption
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1394
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:15 PM
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14. Democrats stand for America,we aren't sure what the Republicans stand for.
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 01:17 PM by MissMarple
Except for greed, hypocrisy, corporate power, world domination and a bloody Neocon empire. Among other nasty things. :eyes:

Democrats stand for the prosperity, security, and welfare of the American people, all of them. We know that. It's the Republican spin machine folks who say we don't have anything to stand for. And they are chronic liars.

And I think the Dems are getting some air time, now. Katrina was the tipping point. :)
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:24 PM
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15. The Real problem with Democrats
...is they keep saying the Republican agenda is wrong,is strictly benefiting the rich,depriving the middle class,etc.Ok..Deomcrat leaders in congress just what is our agenda?(I could list many things and so could you but why aren't those Democrats in congress doing this) ..thats the problem.
Lets not forget that John Kerry was considering McCain for VP and the Democrats were all for it
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:34 PM
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16. Spot ON!!! At least in part.
The only solace I have is that I am not sure McCain can win the over the Fundies.. particularly if Santorum jumps in

Our most winnable ticket:

HRC and someone like Bill Cohen or Bob Graham or Bill Richardon(I'd say an active senators, but two senators will never win unless it is Bayh/Biden

Biden/Richardson would be a nice ticket as well.
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