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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:53 PM
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Why does Lt.Gen Strock wear a work uniform when addressing public in DC?
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 12:59 PM by paineinthearse
When I served, the standing order of the day specified the uniform to wear. If we had a special occasion, such as departing or entering port, or on other occasions when we had interface with the public, we had to wear dress blues.

Question: Is it appropriate for Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, US Army Corps of Engineers commanding officer, to wear kackies at a pentagon briefing carried live on CSPAN?



Could it be that this is a part of the bushco "show", that the active, on-duty military is not (yet) involved in domestic business?

I know he has a dress uniform somewhere, maybe he has lost it?



If you feel as I do that he should wear his dress uniform when addressing the pentagon press corps and the American public, contact his office:

U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Headquarters
441 G. Street, NW
Washington, DC 20314

202-761-0001

Executive Office U.S. Army Corps of Engineershttp://www.hq.usace.army.mil/hq_exec/
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Kenroy Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:55 PM
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1. I'd rather he keep working at his job
rather than spend time changing his uniform. Is this even mildly important?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:56 PM
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4. Yes, rules and regulations are rules and regulations, right?
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Kenroy Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:58 PM
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7. I'd have to see the rule
that states he must wear a dress uniform when addressing the press.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:59 PM
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8. No not about the press.. about being in D.C. There is some sort of rule
that you have to wear a particular class of uniform in DC.. no utilities unless on a work detail.
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Kenroy Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:01 PM
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12. again
I'd have to see the rule to determine if it even applies to him.

But it's hard to think of anything less important than this.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:01 PM
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13. Well, I dunno.I guess I would think it was weird if my pastor showed up to
preach while wearing a sweat suit. :shrug:
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Kenroy Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:04 PM
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14. ah
that would be weird. And you found an instance less important than this one. Would you urge strangers to write to your pastor's boss and complain?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:07 PM
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19. If I thought it was problematic I might take it up with him and the board
However in the case of this general I would wonder a bit at speaking in utilities in DC. But I already mentioned why. Perhaps someone will have a resource that explains DC dress code.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:05 PM
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16. Its about pride and professionalism
There is a published uniform of the day. As a former servicemember I find it hard to believe that Kammies are the uniform of the day in the Pentagon. If they are, that is a denigration of pride and professonalism. If they are not, then the General is out of uniform. You break a rule here and you break a rule then all of a sudden you got something real important. Don't mean to sound preachy but as a retired Chief Petty Officer ya can't let standards slip. That's what gets your Sailors killed.
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Kenroy Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:08 PM
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21. People will die
because of this? Garsh.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:15 PM
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32. Conceptualize with me
If you accept slippage of standards and promote an environment where standards aren't important then the ultimate loss will eventually be life. That is military speak but standards must be maintained and adhered to from the proper wearing of uniforms to the proper maintenance of hardware (ships, guns, planes, tanks) to the proper accounting of personnel. I think it is proper to point out uniform discrepancies; that is a sign of standards maintenance. Having said that maybe the General is in the uniform of the day, but as an old Salt I think it sucks that a military leader would wear a work uniform to a press conference.
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Kenroy Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:16 PM
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33. well
nobody has yet shown me a regulation the he's broken, so I'm gonna do my best not to get too exercised over this.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:17 PM
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34. He hasn't.
BDUs, as I've stated a few other times in this thread, are OFTEN the UOD inside the Beltway these days.
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Kenroy Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:23 PM
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35. Thanks Mildy
I'm sure I've seen plenty of non-dress uniforms on military people at Pentagon briefings, despite the imminent danger to our troops.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:08 PM
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22. They are the UOD in the Pentagon for some of the services
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 01:10 PM by MildyRules
right now. UOD for the Air Staff is BDUs and flight suits. No blues allowed.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:07 PM
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18. There is no such rule.
None at all.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:08 PM
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20. Are you sure??
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:09 PM
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24. 100% POSITIVE
Wife is a senior officer at the Pentagon.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:13 PM
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29. Thanks for the info
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:09 PM
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25. All military have been wearing
the Battle dress at all times. Even the nurses corpsmen in hospitals do. It shows that you and the troops in the field are on the same playing field. Of all the things the Bush crooks are doing this seems like a really strange thing to obsess over.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:55 PM
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2. I thought that in DC you wore dress unless assigned to a work detail? (So
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 12:56 PM by GreenPartyVoter
I recall my dad, who is ex-Navy, telling me.)
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BloodyWilliam Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:57 PM
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6. That sounds about right.
It seems a bit counter-protocol to wear work fatigues while on camera, or in Washington at all. Maybe he thinks he's actually the head of SG1 and he's about to go on a mission to Abydos?

CHEVRON SIX LOCKED.
CHEVRON SEVEN STUCK.
JIGGLING CHEVRON SEVEN.
THERE WE GO.
CHEVRON SEVEN LOCKED.

I am such a hideous nerd.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:00 PM
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*lol* Thank you. I thought I was hallucinating that rule but I was quite
sure that was what my dad told me when I asked him why people on JAG never wore utilities to work.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:09 PM
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23. Naaa he's working on that appointment to Homeworld Security hehe
..
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:06 PM
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17. Researching US Army, military distirct of DC
http://www.mdw.army.mil/



Headquarters, U.S. Army Military District of Washington
103 Third Avenue
Fort Lesley J. McNair, D.C. 20319-5058

MDWweb@fmmc.army.mil

No phone number given


Maj. Gen. Guy C. Swan III, commanding general of U.S. Army Military District of Washington, is also the commander of Joint Forces Headquarters-National Capital Region.

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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:14 PM
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30. Not any more.
UOD for the Air Staff, for example, is BDUs and flight suits. The new CSAF set that policy. Also, before that, most of the services wore utility uniforms on the last Friday of the month, or every Friday, or the last duty day of the month, etc. Bottom line, they've been doing it for years now.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:56 PM
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3. Are you talking about the bizzaro new camo?
I've seen some military officers recently address congress wearing that uniform and I've always thought that was weird. Is that the same thing you're talking about?
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:00 PM
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9. yes
I've just edited the original post, adding a General Strock in camo uniform at the pentagon.

If you have images of others addressing Congress, let's post.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:34 PM
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36. I don't remember who it was
It could have been Strock for all I know. I just remember flipping through on C-SPAN and finding it really quite weird.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:57 PM
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5. Generals set their own rules
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 12:58 PM by AllegroRondo
especially on uniform wear
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:00 PM
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10. Generals should lead by example
Everyone in uniform should set an example for all service members junior to them. Pride and professionalism on duty and off duty and the proper wearing of the uniform is a must. A leader cannot say do as I say not as I do.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:00 PM
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11. I'm confused
Are you saying that he or the powers that be have decided that he should dress as in Combat domestically in order to subliminally prepare us for the concept of Military working domestically? Is it just that it is not consistent with a formal respectful attitude?
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:14 PM
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31. It's part of a designed strategy of coziness. nt
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:05 PM
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15. I couldn't care less about any dress code. I think it's propaganda...
"Men in action", you know what I mean. Thouse tuff guys from the movies. The Bushistas are militarizing every day life as best they can. Get used to these uniforms, is the message, soon you'll have them patrolling in every street. And forget, forget that it was ever any different.

-----------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:13 PM
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28. That is EXACTLY my point
I want to see them all wearing their shinging stars and crisp formal uniforms when addressing the public.

I do not want them to start fostering a "cozy" relationship by wearing their work uniforms in public.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:10 PM
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26. Officers like to make people think they do something besides kiss ass.
The enlisted scum do the work, the officers are there to screw it up and blame the workers for it being screwed up.

*See Abu-Ghraib for evidence of how it works.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:11 PM
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27. Right.
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