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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:37 PM
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"Having caught Miller committing perjury, Fitzgerald is now in a position
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 04:43 PM by understandinglife
to, in effect, renege on his agreement to ask her only about her conversations with Libby. Under the terms of that agreement, Fitzgerald can't compel her to testify about conversations with other people, but she can of course do so voluntarily. And Fitzgerald can tell her lawyer that if she fails to volunteer, she may be looking at substantially more than 85 days behind bars on charges of perjury, conspiracy to obstruct justice, being an accessory to Libby's violations of the Espionage Act, or being a co-conspirator with him and others in those violations. (This is perfectly acceptable prosecutorial conduct, not even close to any ethical line.)

Instead of a mere percipient witness, Miller is now a potential defendant, and Fitzgerald can try to "flip" her against all of her sources, not just Libby.

From Patrick Fitzgerald's Mouse Trap by Mark Kleiman on October 9, 2005

Much more at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/patrick-fitzgeralds-mous_b_8569.html


What you've just read is the final segment of Mark Kleiman's summary of a combination of analysis and speculation by Jane Hamsher:

http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005_10_02_firedoglake_archive.html#112875435125842723

And, "emptywheel":

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2005/10/sweet_judy_blew.html#more

I encourage all of you to read the posts at those three links. Jane Hamsher, as many of you know, has been posting cogent, blistering analysis of Judith Miller and the treasongate calamity.

The following items may be useful for those who have not considered the implications of violating an SF312, of not enforcing Executive Order 12958, of 18 U.S.C. § 793(d) & (g), and of the reality that the IIPA may well also apply to the treasongate cast of dozens.

Rove, Novak, the WHIGers and others got some really bad news today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4263356

Rove, Novak, the WHIGers and others -- reality sucks, doesn't it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4319705

Bush committed another crime today, in plain sight, on National TV

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4130407

The IIPA & Why Karl Rove and Others Legitimately Face Prosecution Under It

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4172648

"Key question ... why did these administration officials lie so overtly"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4930612

Also useful,

Larry Johnson: PLAMEGATE UPDATE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4983712

Why does anyone believe anything Judy, Arthur & Bill say. If I don't ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4936438

"Bolton’s office was responsible for the placement of the Niger uranium ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4220831


And, do keep spouses like James Carville in your thoughts -- so many spouses and families are going to be visiting their 'loved ones' in prison.


Peace.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:38 PM
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1. giggle
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:39 PM
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2. Nominated.
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 04:39 PM by H2O Man
DUers should be enjoying this experience in American history.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:45 PM
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3. Helping to pile on.
:kick:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:45 PM
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4. It is a truly momentous phase of the Republic's history, isn't it!!
And, we are going to be a wiser and more effective Republic by dealing with these challenges, intelligently, peacefully and legally.


Peace.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:07 PM
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12. No More Shadow Governments would be a great start!
I can't help but wonder why in the hell so many in congress obviously have no clue what is going on right under their noses.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:20 PM
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21. What makes you think they don't know?
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 05:21 PM by BeHereNow
I think rather many of them are quivering in fear-
the fear that the investigation will reveal their
complicity in committing treason against us.
Poor things, they had to sit and ponder the question,
"Do I actually uphold my oath and tell what I know,
OR do I continue to accept the massive payola check
I get from the corporate masters who control my
vote and prestige? Hmmm, what to do, what to do..."
I say, "Impeach the Congress. The are accessories to
crimes against the people, along with them networks and
every lying S.O.S within a hundred miles of the KKKabal."

BHN:evilgrin:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:38 PM
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26. I agree that many do
I also think their are very many clueless corporatists in congress who don't bother with these sorts of constitutional nightmares.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:58 PM
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33. Makes me think of that pest control commercial from years ago-
The visual of the commerical was a close up of a single
cock roach in a kitchen with a voice over
explaining as the camera POV went through the
wall, that for every single roach you saw in your house,
there were THOUSANDS more that you couldn't see
living in your walls...
Perfect ananlogy for the roaches in our government
offices, don't you think?
BHN:toast:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:10 PM
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34. Yes indeed...Cockroaches are perfect!
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 06:11 PM by leftchick
Now Lets Start Squashing!!!!



:hi:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:26 PM
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37. Hey! Where did you get that picture...
...of our Congress members feeding at
the Military Congressional Industrial Complex
brunch trough?
I thought cameras were forbidden at those
corporate hosted events...
:evilgrin:
BHN
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:20 AM
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67. LOL.
It's possible. Of course, I tend to believe that this was a Carlyle Group meeting. Just a hunch.



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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:14 AM
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90. Agreed, get rid (of a majority) of the members of Congress...
...and at the same time, sack some of the Supreme Count justices. After all, they are complicit in this crime since they initially put the machinery in motion.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:26 PM
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23. It's great when history unfolds
around you, isn't it? :hi:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:40 PM
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56. Yes indeed.
And, if history does in fact repeat itself, were in for a bit of sweeeeeet justice.

:popcorn:
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:46 PM
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5. Noninated! I swear to God, if I sit here eating popcorn...
:popcorn: for much longer... I'm gonna have to :puke: ....


okay, that's better! room for more!


:popcorn:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:50 PM
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6. Merry Fitzmas understandinglife










It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Everywhere you go.
Who's gonna do five-or-ten?
We're thinking once again
Of handcuffs and of orange jumpsuits aglow.
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Indictments on every score
But the prettiest sight to see
Is the scowl on Darth Cheney
At the slammer's front door.

A warrant or writ, a subpoena that fits
Is the wish of Barney and Ben;
The thought of Turdblossom hung up like a possum
Is the hope of Janice and Jen;
And Mom and Dad can hardly wait for court to start again.

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Everywhere you go.
There's an defendant who doesn't want to tell;
One in the White House as well --
The felony kind that doesn't mind the law!
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Soon the bells will start
And the thing that will make them ring
Is the indictment that we sing,
Right within our hearts!

crispini



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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:55 PM
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8. Thank you!! I had hoped to receive one of your wonderful "Fitzmas" ...
... greetings!!! :yourock:


Peace.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. I LOVE that poem!!!! It brought visions of sugar plums into my dreams.
Very well written!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #6
38. KUDOS!
Got me singing!!
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:05 PM
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48. Best laugh ever: Tears and all! Stop it, stop it, stop it!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:58 PM
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60. Awesome!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:52 PM
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7. Holey-moley....there goes...
my trip to the library. Thank-you! Now if i could just curl up with this monitor....
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:58 PM
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9. Remember what Einstein said:
The Universe is not stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we CAN imagine.

I suspect the same is true with the Plame case. The characters are all interconnected. It's almost incestuous. Rove, Libby, Miller, Cheney, Bolton....all of them were up to their miserable necks in this conspiracy and are now scrambling to save themselves.

Look what just happened with Larry Franklin. He rolled over by taking a plea agreement. In doing so, he could expose the relationship between the OSP, Grover Norquist and Jack Abramoff. The lesson is clear. If somebody rolls for Fitzgerald, the whole house of cards come down....

The scenario is interesting and maybe not far from the truth.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:10 PM
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15. Larry Johnson: -The Plame Case: How about Focusing on the Real Issues?
Want to know one reason why the CIA has been unable to recruit spies? Just reflect on how a potential recruit would react to the outing of Valerie Plame as an undercover CIA operations officer.

The investigation into which administration officials compromised Plame, wife of former US ambassador Joseph Wilson, is nearing completion. Lost in the recent spurt of press reporting, however, is the fact that the outing of Ms. Plame (and, as night follows the day, her carefully cultivated network of spies) has done great damage to US clandestine operations - not to mention those she recruited over her distinguished career.

<clip>

Yes, I am suggesting that it may have been an inside job. Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis Libby may well have had a hand in commissioning the forgery, as a way of manufacturing an intelligence report, with "mushroom cloud" written all over it - in order to deceive Congress into approving an unnecessary war. The more you look into the whole affair, the curiouser and curiouser it becomes. Why, for example, would Senate Intelligence Committee chair Pat Roberts (R-Kansas) adamantly refuse to investigate the provenance of a forgery used to start a war?

And why did former Secretary of State Colin Powell, addressing the UN on February 5, 2003, decide to delete from his very long laundry list of spurious charges against Iraq its alleged attempt to acquire uranium from Niger? Even though he himself had avoided repeating the famous "16 words" used by President Bush just five weeks before (see below), Powell was forced to listen stoically as Mohammed El-Baradei, head of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency, reported on worldwide TV that his own and outside experts had concluded that the Iraq-Niger documents were "not authentic." The White House left it to Powell to concede that El-Baradei was correct, and Powell eventually did so.

Perhaps special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will be able to shed light on some of this.

Link to an excellent annotated time-line and more analysis by Larry Johnson:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/100905E.shtml


Important.


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:51 PM
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85. Larry Johnson: Mambo Italiano and Plame Gate
With friends like the Italians who needs enemies? If Karl Rove and Scooter Libby are indicted they can shift some of the blame to the Italians. If it were not for Italy, Joe Wilson probably never would have been sent to Africa to investigate the claim that Iraq was trying to buy uranium from Niger and the ensuing chain of events to smear Wilson would not have happened. A careful review of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s Report on the Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq (July 2004) shows very clearly that there was only one source claiming that Iraq was buying the uranium. Shades of Curveball! Except in this case the source was not an Iraqi linked to Ahmed Chalabi, but a foreign liaison service. Knowledgeable friends say it was the Italian Intelligence Service (SISME).

SISME provided the CIA with three separate intelligence reports that Iraq had reached an agreement with Niger to buy 500 tons of yellowcake uranium (October 15, 2001; February 5, 2002; and March 25, 2002). (See Expanded PlameGate Timeline below). The second report from February was the subsequent basis for a DIA analysis, which led Vice President Cheney to ask CIA for more information on the matter. That request led to the CIA asking Ambassador Joe Wilson to go check out the story in Niger.

Even in the much maligned October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, the entire intelligence community remained split on the reliability of the Iraq/Niger claim. During briefings subsequent to the publication of the NIE, senior CIA officials repeatedly debunked the claim that Iraq was trying to buy uranium. They also dismissed as unreliable reports from Great Britain, which also were derived from the faulty Italian intelligence reports.

Italy’s SISME also reportedly had a hand in producing the forged documents delivered to the U.S. Embassy in Rome in early October 2003 that purported to show a deal with Iraq to buy uranium. Many in the intelligence community are convinced that a prominent neo-con with longstanding ties to SISME played a role in the forgery. The truth of that proposition remains to be proven. This much is certain, either SISME or someone with ties to SISME, helped forge and circulate those documents which some tried to use to bolster the case to go to war with Iraq.

Much more at the link:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/10/mambo_italiano_.html


Very important.


Peace.


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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #9
35. Arthur Stanley Eddington
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Arthur_Stanley_Eddington

Also sometimes attributed to JDS Haldane.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #35
44. J B S Haldane, early 20th century British usage of "queer" :)
"Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose." J.B.S. Haldane.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:40 AM
Response to Reply #44
70. Thank you for the correction
I was misinformed.....actually mis-educated :)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:02 PM
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10. thanks UL. I can't tell you how many sauces have overcooked due to your
intriguing posts. Note to self-no DU at dinner time. ;)

peace.

graphics will begin to tomorrow.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. Oooppsss! Sorry about that -- send me a tele for your favorite 'take out'
.... and I'll give'um a call and order something yummy for you and the family :)

And, thanks re: graphics!!! Way cool....


Peace.
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:03 PM
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11. God, I hate mysteries. I always read the last chapter first so I know
how the story ends before I jump into it. The wait to bring this investigation to a conclusion is excruciating! But the story is fascinating and I can't stay away. It's driving me crazy.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:08 PM
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14. Kicked & nominated n/t
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
53. ROFL!!! I thought I was the only one
I have to read the end of books too.

This is driving me nuts too!!



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:13 PM
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17. Yes, I've been reading..
:popcorn: judy is the worst actress on the planet.."jail is a souless place" :cry:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. She wanted to get back to her house in Sag Harbor and
her vacation in the Rocky Mountain West.

:cry:
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Where she likes to vacation
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 05:25 PM by marylanddem
amongst the turning aspens...Ah, can anyone write cryptic prose like a
lovesick neocon?
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:13 PM
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18. Damn ! is it Christmas already ??!!
:evilgrin:
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:19 PM
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20. Nominated here too.
Am so looking forward to the conclusion of this saga. I think I'll join all the other popcorn eaters here!

:popcorn:
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:48 PM
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30. Me too!
:popcorn:
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #30
55. Exactly!

More :popcorn:



;)
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:26 PM
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24. Miller was worth waiting for!!! And now we will see how
powerful her friends are!!!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:36 PM
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25. So now does this mean Judith Miller's life is officially in danger?
No wonder she was so nervous and fidgety at the press conference when she got sprung from the big house.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:41 PM
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27. I am in serious need of some popcorn to help abate the
TERRIBLE HEADACHE all this Plame stuff is starting to give me, lol! Way too much information, and I can no longer keep it all straight. I hope when the indictments come down it will simplify the picture.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:47 PM
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29. Me too. My head is spinning.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:45 PM
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28. Recommended
great articles!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:53 PM
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31. Yes, looks like Judy will be volunteering soon. Thanks for the
list of links.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:57 PM
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32. Thank you!
I'm sending the three essays to my little list. Outstanding.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:22 PM
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36. She works for the NY Times. It is her job to lie, dammit!!
And to obscure the truth. To manufacture consent.

I might also add that Judith is the proud (well, maybe ain't so proud) recipient of the Presidential Finger Award. This award is given to those who have done much to further the agenda of militarism, occupation, and injustice.
See more here:
http://www.tomjoad.org/presidentialfinger.htm
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:30 PM
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39. Note to self: do not EVER play poker with Patrick Fitzgerald.
Heh
Heh
Heh

(grinning from ear to ear)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:33 PM
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40. Couldn't happen to a nicer neocon mouthpiece
I'd like to see her rot in jail but would be willing to forego that if she flips and takes down a few of this administration.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:58 PM
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42. Well, given how deep and extensive her 'root system' is, one can …
... almost imagine someone shouting "Iran-Contra" as Fitzgerald's backhoe keeps digging :evilgrin:



Keep digging Mr Fitzgerald

(for those needing a refresher on just how many decades as a propagandist Ms Miller has on her record, just google Judith Miller + John Poindexter)


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:38 PM
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41. Direct link to Mark Kleiman's blog:
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 07:06 PM
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43. This couldn't happen to
more deserving people...Justice can be very sweeeeeeettttt.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 08:08 PM
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45. Link to 'emptywheel' cross-post at Daily Kos and comments:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 08:15 PM
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46. thank you UL!! i hope Fitz..gets to her Bolton info!!
i want to see this witch fry!!

come on Fitz..get to the goodies with this witch!!

perjury...well we could all count on that..obstruction of justice..hell she is a spy...covert operator...nail her ass for once and for all fitz!!

our nation deserves better..and lets get them all in the pokey!!

thanks Ul as always soooo well put together!!

fly
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 08:25 PM
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47. Here comes Hurricane Fitz. Why do I think they aren't prepared?
"No one anticipated the breach of the lies."


Oh...wait...yes, WE did. We knew it had to happen.

I salute UL and all my friends who've worked hard to make sure it happened.


:patriot:

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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:09 PM
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49. You are so bad.
I love it. The breach in the lies. Beautiful. I think I'm gonna cry..
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:04 PM
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54. "No one anticipated the breach of the lies." -- ROFL
:rofl:

Way funny!! And, I do believe ....


Peace.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:54 PM
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59. Make Levees, Not War! nt
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:10 PM
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50. I've Been "in Position" Awaiting Fitz & Grand Jury Announcements
Running out of :popcorn: too! So hoping for justice and our American-way to re-surface amid the rubble *&* have left us in!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:13 PM
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51. Thank You for the Links!
Helps! The pile is so high, it's hard to sort it all out, much less remember it all.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:22 PM
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52. Everyone Should Read This Link Provided From Poster
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:02 PM
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57. ThinkProgress: The best way to stop the criminalization of politics is to
... get the criminals out of politics."

Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday:

Criminal defense lawyers I’ve spoken to who are friendly to the administration are very worried that there will be one or more indictments in the next three weeks of senior administration officials, just looking at what Fitzgerald is doing and taking him at his word, you know, being a serious prosecutor here. And I think it’s going to be bad for the Bush administration.


Someone like Bill Kristol doesn’t get information like this by accident. It’s being fed to him so, if there is an indictment, he can prepare the base. Towards the end of the segment, Kristol got started, saying, “I hate the criminalization of politics.”

Link:
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/09/kristol-indictments


Uber-neoconster Kristol carrying water ....


Peace.



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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:49 PM
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58. What about Rober Novak? The jerk who actually outed Valerie in print 1st?
His name keeps disappearing from the conversation, but if he hadn't been a willing assasin for the administration ... if he had instead moved together with the other reporters and outed the creeps who started this all we could have had respect for the press and their role as 4th estate.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:26 AM
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73. Don't forget that Rove got Fired from the Bush Senior
Contest, how?

For LEAKING TO NOVAK.

It's not like it's his first time, NOFACTS the Conduit has been operating for Rove for a LONG time..

BTW, Rove was fired by Bush Sr TWICE!

It's all there in "Rove's War" my 2 DVD set at Takebackthemedia.com - lots of goodies in there, things a LOT of people don't know, and no tin foil crap either, did some investigation on this as I do on all my work..

TWICE.

I REALLY want to See both Rove and Novak in cells with 9 foot tall men, chock full of testoterone who've been fed gunpowder and fetus's and have Alzheimers so they seem to forget the last time they had any sexual "relief"..

Putting them in a dress would be nice too, trading them for a pack of cigarettes whenever the need fit would be icing on the cake.

Hey, how about GITMO?
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:57 PM
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82. Priceless. Political amnesia at it's best. Novak? Do I know him?
Yeah he's the a**hole bending over in front of you all the time.

If you move 1/2 an inch his face will plow the pavement, Karl. THAT Robert Novak.


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RONSTOO Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:07 AM
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61. yes we are looking at the Espionage Act
and even the qualifications of the recent Identification Act are met by the actions of Rove all spelled out but I dont have the link now.


Even if you did not have the intent the mere act of leaking or the ignorance thereof on your part does not excuse you from treason.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:50 AM
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62. Christmas in October.
Perfect.:bounce:

Peace.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:13 AM
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71. New Holiday: Fitzmas in October, gotta find that Crispini poem posted
yesterday.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:15 AM
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72. Here it is, Crispini: Beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Everywhere you go.
Who's gonna do five-or-ten?
We're thinking once again
Of handcuffs and of orange jumpsuits aglow.
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Indictments on every score
But the prettiest sight to see
Is the scowl on Darth Cheney
At the slammer's front door.
A warrant or writ, a subpoena that fits
Is the wish of Barney and Ben;
The thought of Turdblossom hung up like a possum
Is the hope of Janice and Jen;
And Mom and Dad can hardly wait for court to start again.
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Everywhere you go.
There's an defendant who doesn't want to tell;
One in the White House as well --
The felony kind that doesn't mind the law!
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Soon the bells will start
And the thing that will make them ring
Is the indictment that we sing,
Right within our hearts!
crispini
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:10 PM
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81. Wow. That's great!
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 06:10 PM by fooj
Who says we can't get through this with a sense of humor? LOL!!

Peace.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:01 PM
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83. All I want 4 Fitzmas is the real thiefs caught, the real theifs caught...
How does the rest of this one go? Anyone?

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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:06 AM
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63. K and R. Thanks for the links...too tired to read now, but bookmarked for
manyana. I'm getting excited again.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:19 AM
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64. the links
are the best, thanks UL perfect OP.
:patriot:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:21 AM
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65. Kleiman's round-up is excellent, concise, and is going to make....
... a really great movie someday.

Seriously, I've been glued to firedoglake, but the way Kleiman summarized the story so far, I can't help but cast the damned thing in my head already.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:17 AM
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69. I've already made the film
it's called "Rove's War" at Takebackthemedia.com, of course it's more of a Chronology, but you can't watch the game if you don't have the Program :)

I'm kind of hoping the right wing will make a version, they make High Camp films, like the 911 film they made that aired on SHOWTIME starring the guy from "That's my Bush" (something like that - the guys that created Southpark made that series) and had hilarious scenes in it like where Bush is on the AirForce One FLEEING, and someone comes in a says, "Sir, we have a threat on Air Force One at this moment.."

Bush stands and says, "Is it a Credible Threat?" "Yes Sir."

I was on the FLOOR howling - but the best scene was where Rumsfeld is in the Pentagon (I dunno, doing his nails or something) when it gets hit, and in a second they actually show Rummy HOLDING A SALINE BAG WHILE THEY RUSH A STRETCHER TO SOMEWHERE.. seriously, it was hilarious.. like Rummy had nothing better to do.. might as well have shown him saving a box of kittens..

I forget the name of it, made by a Canadian film director, but a right winger nut, if you get a chance see it..

But if the Hollywood types make this I hope they cast Porky Pig as Rove :)
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:30 PM
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77. I loved DC: 9/11!!
What about Laura?? Remember her in the back of that limo as the attacks were going down? She was the pinnacle of grace under pressure, explaining to her aide that "what the country needs is for us to remain calm, and reassuring," she said, as she adjusted her scarf.

I miss "That's My Bush," too. Are those old episodes on DVD yet?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:28 AM
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66. So the NYT is the practice of employing wanton criminals?
You know if she was considered a lefty they would of fired her long ago :shrug:

He who gloats last, gloats best :D
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:15 AM
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68. Bring it on, Fitzy. My hat is off to this skilled man.
Thanks, sir.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:04 AM
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74. Terrific post - thanks for tying all the links together
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:15 AM
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75. Hell ya.......
Doing my little happy dance all around my computer desk....
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:45 AM
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76. Very exciting
Isn't it great that we at least have some heroes left in a position of power in this country?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 02:26 PM
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78. David Corn - Rove Scandal: New Mysteries, New Props, New Legal Theories
October 10, 2005

The Plame/CIA leak case is getting what all good scandals need: props.

We now have the "missing notebook" and the "missing email."
The "missing notebook," as several news reports noted at the end of last week, belongs to New York Times reporter Judith Miller and reportedly contains notes of a conversation regarding former Ambassador Joseph Wilson that she had with Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney's chief of staff, on June 25, 2003. The date is intriguing, for this is weeks before Wilson published his now famous New York Times op-ed piece (in which he revealed that after traveling to Niger for the CIA he had concluded that the allegation that Iraq had been uranium shopping there was dubious). And, of course, this was weeks before Robert Novak wrote a column outing Wilson's wife as an undercover CIA officer. So why were the two discussing Wilson at that point? Why did this notebook go missing within the paper's Washington bureau? Who found it? Miller or someone else? Why won't the Times explain to its readers how it came to be discovered? What do the notes in this notebook say?

<clip>

More at the link:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?pid=28125


And, of course, we have the persistently missing "truth" -- but, that is likely not to be the case by the time Mr Fitzgerald is finished.


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:05 AM
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89. Background on Patrick Fitzgerald:
Investigator of CIA leak seen as relentless

By Judy Keen, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — When defense attorney Ron Safer heard that Patrick Fitzgerald would lead an inquiry into the leak of a CIA operative's name, his first thought was that, from the Bush administration's perspective, "they could not have picked a worse person."

Safer, a Chicago lawyer who has watched Fitzgerald since he was named U.S. attorney there in 2001, says the prosecutor "will bring to this the same energy and aggression that he does to every other project he undertakes."

<clip>

Fitzgerald, 44, was born in Brooklyn. His Irish immigrant father, Patrick Sr., worked as a doorman at a building in Manhattan's Upper East Side. Fitzgerald went to Regis High School, a Jesuit preparatory school, then worked on its maintenance crew to pay his way through Amherst College. He majored in math and economics, then went to Harvard Law School.

He worked in a New York law firm before joining the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan in 1988. He stayed for 13 years, convicting Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and indicting bin Laden in a conspiracy that included the bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.

<clip>

More at the link to one of the few articles with details about Fitzgerald:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10-10-fitzgerald_x.htm



Peace.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:16 PM
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79. ThinkProgress: "Rove’s Attorney Lies About White House Briefings"
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 04:17 PM by understandinglife
CNN records the latest spin from Karl Rove’s attorney, Robert Luskin:

“He’s told everyone who’s asked him, including the federal prosecutor, that he’s not part of any scheme,” Luskin said.

He said that’s the allegation the president and White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan were commenting on when they received assurances from Rove that he did nothing wrong.


According to the transcripts, that’s not true.

Debunking at the link:
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/10/rove-attorney-lies


ThinkProgress is a special resource for truth seekers.


Peace.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 12:53 AM
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88. Uh-Oh, what happens if the attny lies too? n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:10 PM
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80. firedoglake on Oct 10, 2005: "Judy, Judy, Judy Redux"
Ah, Judy. Queen of the NY Social Scene. Martyr of journalistic integrity and principle. Writer of truths and well-researched factual tomes. Cough. WMDs. Cough. Curveball. Cough. Well, and except for that pesky notebook found in the Washington bureau of the NY Times full of notes or something indicating that she was meeting with Scooter Libby well before his testimony had said (and possibly her testimony). Ooops!

We've all been batting alternate history theories around of what really happened with Judy's testimony and notes.

..... Much more at the link:

http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_firedoglake_archive.html#112895241980966212


Great stuff!


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:42 PM
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84. "Miller and the Times under Sulzberger and Keller, have done everything ..
... imaginable to avoid coming clean about this story... to avoid showing their work.

The right time to do so has long since passed.
Now it's just a question of how much of the paper's credibility they can preserve. And whether, come next year's Association of National Advertisers conference, the Times masthead will still read the way it reads today.

From Clueless in Phoenix by Arianna Huffington on October 10, 2005

She begins with:

For the all-time example of a man whistling past the graveyard, check out Bill Keller's jaw dropping comments this past Friday at the Association of National Advertisers conference in Phoenix.

His paper finds itself in the midst of what may turn out to be the worst crisis in its history -- scooped on a daily basis on a story it should own, virtually eliminating itself from covering what could be the biggest scandal of the Bush administration, its credibility crumbling faster than Judy Miller's image as a selfless journalistic martyr -- and what did Keller have to say to a group of ad men and newspaper industry insiders?

Do read the entire essay at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/clueless-in-phoenix_b_8640.html


Ms Huffington is, once again, on robustly on-target.


Peace.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:58 PM
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86. NYT,.......R.I.P.
Now just a warmongering propaganda rag for the neo cons

Was once a great paper.

No More
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. That sums it, precisely. And, that is exactly what I wrote their public ..
... editor a few days ago and made as clear as I possibly could.


Peace.
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