So why does John Roberts have to be gay?

I've seen several posts in the last few days implying that Roberts is a closeted gay man. The posts almost have this, "See, I *knew* he was evil," quality to them. There's a certain glee at pointing out stereotypical qualities of "gayness" - a limp wrist, a coif that's too "gay", a motion, a laugh, whatever.

I don't get it. Do you guys think that being gay is some sort of confirmation of evil-ness? Normally, I wouldn't think so, but I'm beginning to wonder just a bit.

assuming, of course, that it is even true. It's not the gay thing, its the BS pretend thing.

If he wasn't closeted it wouldn't be an issue. Well, it wouldn't be an issue with progressives. It *would* be an issue with fundies.

It's just as simple as that.

And I've not seen anyone equate evil with gayety here on the DU, although certainly being born in the ten-percent does not make one immune to engaging in evil.

The joint here is festooned with the friends of Dorothy and the daughters of Bilitis both.

I think sometimes folks get nervous about political correctness, but whatchagonna do? It's a free country.

wrong with that.

It's the closeted gay Republicans - Mehlman, Dreier, etc. - who bug me. If they are willing to go to such extremes to harm their fellows and themselves, how can we trust their judgment or their sanity? Think about it - "closeted gay Republicans"...

Here is a man who is going to do everything he can to prevent gays from enjoying the most basic happiness of life: marriage, children and a home together. I can't think of anything more cruel. It's especially cruel if that man happens to also have the same sexual orientation of those being targeted, but pretending not to be. And yes, he should be exposed for what he is: not a gay man, but a hypocrite and a coward who will sacrifice anyone to prolong the pretense.

Even if he was gay, outing him wouldn't change a thing other than hurt him and those closest to him.

I have no problem with gay people but Im very unfond of creepy square evangelical types.
Closet freaks and monsters.


It is a very non-masculine look.

I am straight. I am very pro gay rights. I live in a neighborhood with many
gay & lesbians and I consider some friends.

Their is nothing evil about being gay. What is evil is the way the repugs
used gays as a wedge issue in the last election all the while having
sooooo many gays in upper level parts of their power structure. Those
gays to me are like "Jews for Hitler."

In West Va. they sent out fliers that showed two men kissing and a bible
being taken away from a home ..... Ken Mehlmen was behind that .....
and he is gay.

Roberts bothers me ( I might be very wrong ) as a gay closet case with
an arraigned cover marriage and adopted "cute white kids" (I wish nothing
but the best for the kids) so as to sell this man as something he is not.
Once again manipulation of the message by rove & company.

Just like his action in front of the senate .... "Justice & the law important to me."
Bullshit ..... he worked to stop the counting of legal votes in Florida in 2000

One more thug who made his bones by helping * in his crimes ....
Just like Bolton & Meir.

if he's really closeted, he might go to the extreme with his decisions to hide the fact.

Um-hmm.

That sweater is not even a choice that a metrosexual would make. And he's sporting decolletage flirting out from his Polo.

C'mon people, don't make me use the "eyeroll" emoticon here.

I was taken aback, too, because this is a community that celebrates diversity. But then I began to figure out that what it would be is just pretty funny, because so much of the RW is horrified by homosexuality.

I think if he had been an overtly gay man that a lot of the left would have appreciated him more. Maybe not his politics, but at least he would have been more interesting!

I know there is a while line of thought that RWers are repressed gay men who are filled with inner hate and anger at themselves, and that is why they act out in such homophobic ways. That makes sense, but I have personally no idea to what extent that happens.

I think the idea that someone beholden to the gay bashing party possibly being gay himself is a big deal :shrug:

parts of the RW problem.

The closet GOP types figure that law and repression are all that keep the entire gender from becoming gay.

Sheesh. Let the man be. Nobody forced him.

People don't want to talk about the fact that repressed homosexuality almost always results in the development of distinctly paranoid and antisocial tendencies, even to the not-uncommon extreme of piracy on the high seas.
Not ALL repressed homosexuals are pirates... but ALL pirates are indeed repressed homosexuals, as modern science has now definitively revealed.

Haha... actually, I agree with your first two responders... it's the hypocrisy and the damage done to equality and civil rights by these sad self-loathing worst examples of self-repression, who somehow always manage to wriggle their way up to some lofty pinnacle in this sadly ignorant and superstitious society, the better to spew their poisons far and wide...
Many ancient cultures understood the simple reality of variant forms of human sexual instinct, passion and expression much better than we do now; they respected and celebrated this diversity, regarding it with the awe that any true mystery is due.
By contrast, much of Western culture is consumed with finding ways to deny that homosexuality is "natural"--despite the best evidence of their own sciences--and to repress all expression of any variant sexual behavior or practice that falls outside the careful dictates of what they PERSONALLY like to lick, suck, kiss, hump, etc, etc, and, of course, etc...
It is of course a religious problem at base... and God is of no help in any of this, unfortunately, as it was He who made these creatures, then declared open season on 'em from day one...
Yet He's still makin' new ones to this day, at a steady rate of about 10% of His overall output...
Go figure.

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am I a "butt pirate" too?

the "appearance" of one of those "insects" that Bug Man DeLay was trying to Exterminate!

And, his family is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO perfect looking...like from the Late 1950's. And that Bush gave his little son "John/John" the full run during his "Pronouncement Speech."

Even the Cables couldn't bring themselves to swallow the "John/John" running around and Bush's halting of his speech to acknowledge the "little disruptor's antics." It was a good moment where the Cables fought back not to show Mr. Aqua Blue Bug Eyes and his Perfect wife with the two adopted from South America, perfectly blond Repug Children running around the "P-Residential Podium."

They are FAKE....and folks can pick that up. They might be charming if you or I met them at a party...but we know more about them than they will acknowledge about themselves. :shrug:

makes me scratch my head. She seems to have trouble knowing what to focus on. I think either her dosage is too high or her animatronics need tweaking.

She doesn't seem to get what's going on around her. I think they're both a couple of intellectual do-ers. They're not ever going to be real, living, feeling people. They just do whatever they think the world wants them to do. Scarecrow material.

I am a musician and have always loved my gay friends. Most of the closet cases give themselves away with extra affectations. He doesn't. I think he's just plastic, but brilliant. I actually think he'll make a great judge, but we'll see.

self-loathing, or to have a hate on anyone.

I worry about His corporate leanings and possible handling of civil Rights issues, but I plan on being pleasantly suprised on those counts as well.

i.e., those posts that "assume" or speculate that Roberts is gay citing such "evidence" as the the way he seems to interact with his wife in a handful of televised appearances/still photographs, the fact he married late in life, the fact he has adopted children, his posture and god knows what else. Claims that such "evidence" suggests he is gay is stereotyping of the worst sort.

I have no idea whether Roberts is gay or not, just as I have no idea whether any poster on DU that states he/she is straight or gay is in fact straight or gay.

I do know that not every person that opposes gay rights is a self-loathing gay person. Many of them are loathesome straight people.

And while it is true that Roberts' would be guilty of hypocrisy if he was in fact gay, the bigger issue is that whether or not he is guilty of hypocrisy, he is guilty of hatred.

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It's like if we were all atwitter because he might naturally have *blond* hair. (Well, his choices would impact the blond/blonde community, and as a blond he should have loyalty to blonds and blondes above his beliefs on what the constitution means!)

This is nothing but 1950s-style crap in which people believed if one wasn't married by the time he or she was 25 or 30, the person had to be abnormal (which included being gay).

But people are pulling this same shit with Harriet Miers, and they pulled the same crap with David Souter. I even heard similar rumors leveled at Anthony Kennedy, of all people.

on the court into the dirt now that he's risen beyond their control.

If he smacks Scalia down and gives Republicans everywhere fits of rage and betrayal, I couldn't care less if he's gay or straight, closeted or not.

I don't know that he'll turn out to be one of the good guys, but someone as intelligent and thoughtful and as committed to the integrity of the law as he seems to be augurs well for that possibility. Republican 'intellectuals' are nothing so much as people who work backwards from what they want and use bullshit reasoning and rationalizations to make it so. He doesn't seem like that type.

We'll just have to wait and see.