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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:13 AM
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Here's how some at Free Republic are reacting to the Kristol predictions
I'll save you the trouble of having to actually bathe in that cesspool -- my favorites are posted after the FR original post below...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1499681/posts

Bill Kristol: While House Indictments Coming
Newsmax.com

Sunday, Oct. 9, 2005 9:28 p.m. EDT
Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 10/09/2005 7:32:02 PM PDT by huck von finn

Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol predicted on Sunday that there will be at least one and perhaps several indictments of "senior administration officials" by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, who is investigating the outing of CIA employee Valerie Plame.

"Criminal defense lawyers I've spoken to who are friendly to the administration are very worried that there will be one or more indictments in the next three weeks of senior administration officials," the influential editor told "Fox News Sunday."

"Just looking at what Fitzgerald is doing and taking him at his word as a serious prosecutor here," Kristol said, "and I think it's going to be bad for the Bush administration."

FNS co-panelist Brit Hume noted, however, that at least some of the speculation that top Bush adviser Karl Rove may be indicted has been based on false reports in the press.

Noting ominous-sounding press reports on Thursday claiming that Fitzgerald had withdrawn a previous assurances that Rove's testimony would not be used against him during an upcoming fourth grand jury appearance, Hume said: "My information is that there was never any such promise attached to his earlier testimony either."


2nd terms sometimes don't even seem worth the effort.

10/09/2005 7:32:53 PM PDT by Huck

I think Scooter is in trouble.

10/09/2005 7:34:02 PM PDT by msnimje

I think Scooter's going to take the heat on this one.

10/09/2005 7:34:51 PM PDT by eyespysomething

If he's not smoking something, then we may all be thanking the President for nominating Harriet Miers. It's hard to go to war for a nominee when your bankroll of political capital has a lien on it.

And if this all comes to pass, there goes the rest of the agenda for the next 2 years since such things would take that long to play out. *sigh* -- exactly what the D-Rats want.

10/09/2005 7:35:42 PM PDT by alancarp

If I were in charge of White House communications Gen Russ Honoree would be the White House Spokesman and he would have total authority to kick out the Helen Thomas wing of reporters.

10/09/2005 7:40:00 PM PDT by msnimje

If there were an indictment of Scooter Libby, I don't think that would hurt much. Rove would be more problematic. Although there is some advantage to having all the bad news piled on at once -- it's like flooding New Orleans the 2nd time, nobody really cares all that much because it just damaging already destroyed goods.

10/09/2005 7:40:53 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT

That Ronnie Earle wannabe may indict Rove, but he'll never lay a hand on him. Karl will leave Fitzgerald with a handful of air. Nixon's downfall was that people jumped ship and tried to cut their own deals. Bush's guys are tougher and will stick with each other. Just remember, keep on fighting and don't abandon whoever gets indicted. Look to Tom Delay as an example of how to fight this. The GOP will Sink or swim together. Look to Tom

10/09/2005 7:42:26 PM PDT by balch3

Leaking to the NYT by any White House person should get them fired. I suspect there may well be indictments.

10/09/2005 7:42:49 PM PDT by cynicom

He is a fool.

You bookmark this thread, because he is wrong and I will ping you to come back here and acknowledge it.

Kristol, a McCainiac, is now actively working against this White House and administration.

10/09/2005 7:44:23 PM PDT by Howlin

I watched that show this morning and Kristol was his normal weak self. i expect indictments, maybe Rove for "perjury" but as far as a scandal? Please, the VP chief of staff? Who is the VP?

10/09/2005 7:44:27 PM PDT by padre29

The fact is irregardless of if indictments come down or not - The overall fact is it is meaningless - The MSM will spin and scream this is the end of GOP control, etc, etc -

But the fact is the general public doesn't care about situations like these - Nor will any indictment lead to any conviction -

So irregardless to what this prosecutor decides to do - The GOP will add to their majority in 06 and GWB will continue to be an effective leader (no matter what silly spin the MSM & DEM's try and put on it).

The American people just don't care about silly cases (scandals) like these - They know much politics is behind it (on either side) - Just as the public didn't care about Whitewater or Travel Gate, etc, etc -

10/09/2005 7:45:45 PM PDT by DevSix

I think Billie Boy had a big grin on his face during the show today.

The basis is that Rove denied or didn't remember having spoken to someone about the event when in fact he did. Rove has since been before the GJ a couple more times about the matter.. Now it's a matter of if the GJ believes he honestly didn't remember or was he trying to mislead the GJ. That is what they have to decide according to Hume. If they think he was misleading them then they may can well indict on that bases rather than anything to do with Plume specifically.

All the above is subject to correction if someone else remembers the program differently...... I was swapping between the Astros/Braves playoff which was into extra innings when all this was going on. Astros won in 18 innings and are headed for the NLC series.

10/09/2005 7:47:45 PM PDT by deport

For the libbies...the more lies they spew or spin...the more people will start believing them...irregardless if facts come out to the contrary...because anything that comes out to the contrary will arrive too late and get buried by the media.

10/09/2005 7:49:01 PM PDT by Dr Stormfist

That's all I could take, "irregardless" of the amusement I get from looking under rocks.

:hi:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:17 AM
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1. Hmmmm
The more lies we spew or spin the more people will start believing. But what if we do something extra devious and tell the truth. Who knows what could happen?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:17 AM
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2. It's sad, really. The elvel of denial is jsut so sad.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 09:17 AM by Walt Starr
The truth of the matter is, Kristol was being positively optimistic in his assessment.
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:07 AM
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27. Indeed. These are the equivalent to members of Hitler's Party when he
started to lose it. Just wait until it all crumbles for them, then they will be crying, literally, because they won't know what to do or think!

Peace.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:17 AM
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3. WTF on irregardless?
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 09:18 AM by tasteblind
Can we send them a link to dictionary.reference.com?

ir·re·gard·less ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-gärdls)
adv. Nonstandard
Regardless.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:19 AM
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4. You think they use dictionaries?
:rofl:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:22 AM
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5. I love how even the dictionary definition of the word calls it a blunder.
These are probably the same clowns that bitch about immigrants not speaking English.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:40 AM
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13. Wouldn't "irregardless" mean "not regardless" ?
I'm certainly no grammar teacher, but I pride myself on understanding how to use the English language.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:44 AM
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15. You're clearly not a freeper then.
They don't care whether they're right or wrong.
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:48 AM
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19. Yes, like saying "with regards to"
regardless
irrespective

Pick one, freepers, not both at the same time.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:31 AM
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36. "Irregardless" is improper English from my grammar days, a long
long time ago. It may be acceptable as casual grammar now. (?)
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:45 AM
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The more ir-'s you add on the front the more powerful it becomes
:crazy:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:48 AM
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20. Doesn't work that way for football players. n/t
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:23 AM
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6. They are neck deep in denial.
I'm really going to enjoy the show when the indictments come down.
:popcorn:
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:23 AM
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7. My personal favorite...
"Although there is some advantage to having all the bad news piled on at once -- it's like flooding New Orleans the 2nd time, nobody really cares all that much because it just damaging already destroyed goods."

:popcorn:
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:51 AM
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35. Straight to the bottom - Together.
'The GOP will Sink or swim together. Look to Tom'
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:25 AM
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8. Good god, these people are stupid!
How do they manage to even tie their shoelaces? Look to Tom? Can we say totally clueless and out of touch? What world do these morans live in?
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:31 AM
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11. I just *knew* this thread couldn't go very long
without a "morans" reference. Truly, that was one for the ages!

And "morans" they most assuredily are!
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:38 AM
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12. Tom be with you
Thanks be to Tom
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:27 AM
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9. LMAO!
I love the one from the guy who called us "D-Rats". How cute is that?
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:45 AM
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17. Kinda like 'Desert Rats'....
has a ring to it. Frankly I would rather be a 'D-Rat' than an 'R-Worm'
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:09 AM
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29. I think Bob Boudelang posted that one!!! n/t
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:29 AM
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10. LMFAO . . . Ronnie Earle wannabe . . .
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 09:32 AM by ET Awful
:rofl:

I'm literally laughing out loud at my monitor right now.

Has anyone noticed that the one unifier in every post there is that NOBODY is willing to acknowledge a crime has been committed? They're all worried about looking bad, etc. Not a single person is concerned with the felonies that have been committed.

They try to say that what caused Nixon to go down was people cutting their own deals, no, what caused Nixon to go down is he was a fucking crook and people knew it.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:43 AM
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14. Yeah, they never look to the accused. The evil Dem
States Attorney, or in this case REPUBLICAN Prosecutor Fitzgerald.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:47 AM
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18. On the contrary. They know crimes were committed. They just don't care.
Because it was by their "team".
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:59 AM
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24. That's right. They know. They're just hoping the thieves hang tough.
This passage seems to clearly show that:

That Ronnie Earle wannabe may indict Rove, but he'll never lay a hand on him. Karl will leave Fitzgerald with a handful of air. Nixon's downfall was that people jumped ship and tried to cut their own deals. Bush's guys are tougher and will stick with each other. Just remember, keep on fighting and don't abandon whoever gets indicted. Look to Tom Delay as an example of how to fight this. The GOP will Sink or swim together.

And at least this poster obviously knows the truth about Delay too.
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:05 AM
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26. What I find funny about that quote...
...is that the poster thinks those rat bastard chickenhawks are going to remain loyal to each other in the face of any serious level of accountability.

They'll turn on each other in a heartbeat. If they couldn't handle the military, what goes through their minds when the prospect of a prison term rears its ugly head?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:13 AM
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30. Surely they will fall on their swords for Emperor Bush!
They expect "honor" from a group whose ethic is centered around personal greed?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:45 AM
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16. My favorites...
This is all part of the Dems strategy to paint the Bush admin/Republicans as corrupt. Haven't you noticed how DeLay is now described, Indicted Tom Delay. Doesn't matter if he's guilty or not. They'll use this procedure more often, just watch.

161 posted on 10/09/2005 9:07:38 PM PDT by blam


Which is why a Cheney or Bush indictment would be bad too, even if they beat the wrap.

166 posted on 10/09/2005 9:16:10 PM PDT by clawrence3


Libby has not failed to cooperate, violated any statutes or broken any laws. He's aiding an investigation.

167 posted on 10/09/2005 9:16:40 PM PDT by cyncooper


Saved the best for last...

Never give in to these creeps! Nixon should have fought to the bitter in!

124 posted on 10/09/2005 8:20:50 PM PDT by Blake#1


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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:55 AM
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23. The "bitter in"
Reminds me of Daddy Bird, Mommy Bird and Baby Bird attempting to fly south for the winter.

Daddy Bird sniffs his other end and says, "My instincts tell me it's this way."

Mommy Bird does the same to herself, then counters with, "My instincts tell me it's that way."

Baby Bird takes a whiff of his own and announces, "My in stinks too, but it doesn't tell me which way to go."
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:39 AM
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34. Perfect, Barad!
:hi:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:49 AM
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21. The Freeper Dictionary Has Irregardless added
Because JIMROB thinks it's a real word.

Just like a repuke to change the rules.
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:14 AM
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31. I just went to the Freeper Dictionary to see if you were right...
...and this entry was where your hypothetical "irregardless" entry should have been:

In-coming -- Usually posted in Reply 2 When the article is sure to stir up tin hats, loonies, whackos and the poorly raised.

Looks like this FR thread could have used an in-coming.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:54 AM
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22. Notice
Notice they could care less whether or not Rove committed an act of treason or Delay is guilty of conspiracy to launder money or anything as long as they win.

Sick bastards.
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NYdemocrat089 Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:01 AM
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25. "And if this all comes to pass, there goes the rest of the agenda for the
next 2 years since such things would take that long to play out. *sigh* -- exactly what the D-Rats want."

*Cough*whatyoujerksdidtoclinton *cough*
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:09 AM
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28. "they may can well indict on that bases"
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 10:09 AM by Mr_Spock
All of your bases are belong to us!

:rofl: :rofl:
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:16 AM
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32. I like this guy, he doesn't give a shit if it's true or not. just don't
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 10:16 AM by okieinpain
be honest, don't ever tell the truth. to him the party line is more important then the country. so I wonder what he tells his kids.

"That Ronnie Earle wannabe may indict Rove, but he'll never lay a hand on him. Karl will leave Fitzgerald with a handful of air. Nixon's downfall was that people jumped ship and tried to cut their own deals. Bush's guys are tougher and will stick with each other. Just remember, keep on fighting and don't abandon whoever gets indicted. Look to Tom Delay as an example of how to fight this. The GOP will Sink or swim together. Look to Tom"
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:23 AM
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33. Their ignorance of the power players is jaw-dropping astounding.
If there were an indictment of Scooter Libby, I don't think that would hurt much. Rove would be more problematic. Although there is some advantage to having all the bad news piled on at once -- it's like flooding New Orleans the 2nd time, nobody really cares all that much because it just damaging already destroyed goods.

10/09/2005 7:40:53 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT


Please, liddle fweepers, come to DU and read some of H20 Man's posts on the Plame scandal. You may learn something about who controls many of the levers of this sham of a government, including the shadow government (of which you fweepers are probably unaware).
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:11 PM
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37. Insert David Spade's voice here...
(as Dick Clark's secretary in the running SNL skit)

"I'm not much of a reader."
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:32 PM
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38. Thanks for posting this. I haven't taken the time to learn to find my
way around that disorganized website.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:34 PM
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39. Wow.
That Ronnie Earle wannabe may indict Rove, but he'll never lay a hand on him. Karl will leave Fitzgerald with a handful of air. Nixon's downfall was that people jumped ship and tried to cut their own deals. Bush's guys are tougher and will stick with each other. Just remember, keep on fighting and don't abandon whoever gets indicted. Look to Tom Delay as an example of how to fight this. The GOP will Sink or swim together. Look to Tom

10/09/2005 7:42:26 PM PDT by balch3


Two things: First of all, this pretty much admits that Karl broke the law and is trying to get away with it. Second, I don't think "balch3" realizes that Nixon's guys ARE Bush's guys. They won't stick together--the rats will desert to save their own hides.
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