Death Counts: Kashmir vs. Katrina

What is the number of dead from Katrina? I have no clue.

But how can the number of dead in Kashmir be known at 20k+ already, when in america, the number dead in Katrina is obscure, somewhere between 1000 & 8000, with deaths only being counted once the body is ID'd?

Never mind that the Katrina toll it virtually disappeared from the news.

An information-managed populace never revolts.

Although those totals were mere estimates.

I mentioned this in another related thread. Why are we allowed to see pictures of the tsunami and earthquake dead, but our media ia barred from showing pictures of our American dead out of 'respect for privacy'? It's not about respect at all. It's all about avoiding blame.

We don't!

It's our pathetic wuss journalists who allow themselves to be bullied by this administration into not doing their jobs. They have pictures on file, you can be sure. They're too damn scared to show them, and that is a shame.

they count the votes in other countries.

after a certain point in time, can you blame the reporters for being afraid of being jailed or worse?

i have discovered some of how they are keeping it down

for example, there are 53 known dead in houston, evacuees who were rescued but didn't make it

they are not included in the louisiana toll altho they were evacuated from new orleans area!

they have different death tolls for the different states & even different counties, i frequently see news articles that mix up the toll from harrison county (biloxi) area with the entire death toll of the state of mississippi, of course, that conveniently lets out all of the great loss of life in hancock county, where such towns as waveland were completely destroyed

they are having all these separate little tolls, 50 here, 200 there, oops, 800 at st. gabriel, etc. but they are no where giving a complete toll

remember the older veteran who was rescued nude after 3 weeks, he died as a result of his dehydration in a california hospital after rescue, so he is not on the list of katrina dead

it's unbelievable, we need to stay on this

my idea is to demand a monument, listing all the names of the dead & missing, it will prob. take months or even years to track down all the names, but it might be a way to get families to work together to make sure their loved ones are not swept under the rug

viewed from this side of the water. I expect to see comment in the press over here soon.

I've been keeping an eye on this, ever since I saw Katrina hit with my own eyes (via satelite/internet) and felt the consequences in my own bones. I'd spent a day researching aleady, and expected levees to fail... was awake 20 hours a day for a week, when I got some sleep had vivid dreams... maybe I should add I'm, amongst other things, an environmental scientist/geographer. (This, then, not because of witnessing the power of nature, but because of witnessing the failure (another failure) of man).

So. I ask: is the sad loss of the will-to-resist of so many US citizens, soon to be mere subjects, if not objects, or even non-persons, it seems, to be a fait accompli?

Eg: My local (Spanish) press was able to report each day on Stan's rampage through central America, and each day provide estimates, according to local reports from the ground (eg. whole village of x population under mudslide, so estimate x casualties) not only of dead but also of 'so far' missing.

This info can come rapidly out of central america, but not out of the southern states of the USA, like it used to? Well, it's clear how come: orders.

If the (official) deathtoll is so unreliable, where is the (official) list of the (still) missing? I realise that where a whole family was wiped out, or individual members of totally nonfunctional families, then there may be no report of anyone missing in their cases. And I realise that for many in the US the 'homeless' 'underclass' don't count anyway... but even so, there should be an observable discrepancy between (approximate) numbers of dead and missing to keep tabs on - including, of course, among those shipped out to other states...

If the (official) numbers are false or unavailable, where is the (unofficial) grassroots (eg. http://www.iraqbodycount.net/) data collection, organisation and disemination effort?

and i subscribe to the NYT & the Seattle Times. i suppose i didn't make it to page A15.

See eg. here: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9588034/

i did not know that...

the US (W.European culure in general, perhaps, also, historically) has always appeared to have a major fixation with its own navel.

So what _really_ goes down in the rest of the world would seem to be of little (relative) importance.

That's why it was so hard, talking to yanks over here, to try to put even 911 in context for them... shit happens all over the world all the time, you know, we all suffer, (often thanks to US interventions) but most of us don't enjoy (suffer?) the power of so much partisan media most of the time...

(And then they say they're the only 'culture' qualified to try to organise (or even govern) internationally... sheesh).

I comment with respect, and hope, all the same...

Regards,

because of your post. Truthtellers, and those who pose pertinent questions, must be supported by those able to read and grok.

in this issue now in DU, it seems.

Black voices expressed elsewhere...

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I'll refer you to the DU thread on this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4953733

I am sure the count is being minimized.

sorry i thought i had linked it already, either it didn't post or i put it in the wrong thread

we are not getting any more information on the mississippi toll, all info now comes thru harrison cty coroner even tho there was also much loss of life in hancock cty (where waveland is for instance)

i have seen no totals for those evacuated but who died in shelters or in hospital, but houston has said that 53 evacuees did die in houston, they were rescued too late to be saved :-(

when you consider the many shelters around the country that received katrina evacuees, many elderly & fragile, i do have to assume that evacuees died in other places, not just houston

the 76 yr old veteran who was rescued after 3 weeks died in hospital in california, that's all i know of evacuees who died in that state

i'd guess there are at least 2,000 dead if you could get all the numbers in one place, they are very carefully not doing that tho

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5025814#5027597

maddy maccall has heard some disturbing news from a mortuary in mississippi

they are really covering up the dead there, if i was from mississippi i would be extremely angry right abt now, well, i'm a pretty angry person anyway but there seems to be a big time cover-up going on there