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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:43 PM
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Can we please agree to not use the term "Bush-bashing" ?
This is a divisive term put forward by the right-wing to perpetuate the notion that Democrats, progressives, and liberals aren't for anything, but merely blindly hate Bush.

They want people to think that all we do is hate those we disagree with, and that we have no ideas of our own.

It's almost as bad as calling us the Democrat Party.

If we are dumb enough to allow Republicans to define us, we don't deserve to beat them.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:44 PM
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1. No, especially since..
.. Bush is so deservedly bashable.

He's a very stupid and dangerous criminal. Bring the bashin down on his head!

Sue
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:45 PM
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3. Did you even read the post? n/t
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:49 PM
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9. There's your answer tasteblind.
Like it or not...many here fit the stereotype, sadly enough.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:53 PM
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12. You don't think Bush deserves to be bashed?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:54 PM
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14. You forgot the "sarcasm" smiley. n/t
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:05 PM
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27. No I didn't.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:07 PM
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30. *shakes head* n/t
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:13 PM
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31. Have you read the OP? I mean really read it.
And comprehended it?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:15 PM
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32. I did and I agree with him.
But I still believe Bush deserves to be bashed. They did it for 8 years under Clinton, so we should do it too.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:59 PM
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20. True, but I feel it still needs to be said. n/t
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:44 PM
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2. It's more like truth-telling anyway...
:dem:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:23 PM
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33. Truth-telling is a much better term.
I'd much rather be defined by truth than by Bush.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:46 PM
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4. I have never "bashed" the man in all these years. . .
I just told the truth and his supporters thought it was bashing since all he'd told them was lies.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:47 PM
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5. Exactly. n/t
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:48 PM
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6. How long have you been here?
You're not going to get anybody to agree to anything, especially usage of certain words. Look at the usage of bitch and partial birth abortion.

I understand your point, but your intentions are a lost cause.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:57 PM
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17. Can't hurt to try.
When I see Republican language creeping into our speech, I'm always going to challenge it. It's the only way to keep them from controlling the terms of the debate.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:48 PM
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7. Bush is President. Answering criticism of how he handles his job -
especially when the country is falling apart - is his job. For sure he would like to implement policy that favors firstly repukes and then secondly neocon Utopia.

It isn't bashing to criticize him on either of these.

That is just a "talking point" from the right. Somehow they want to charge the life of all Americans and not a few people in the middle east - and they want to get away with it unquestioned.

Because they are adolescents.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:01 PM
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21. True, and dangerous adolescents, at that.
Bush once said of Al Gore something to the effect of, "Well, we're talking about me, and he's talking about me, so we're all talking about me."

That is the bottom line of the term Bush-bashing...it makes Bush the center of attention, and ensures that we do not get equal time.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:49 PM
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8. Okay, from this point forward, Bush bashing shall be known as
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 03:51 PM by longship
Chimp Chomping!

Are you really saying we need a different euphemism for that what we formerly called "Bush Bashing".
:evilgrin:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:54 PM
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This is exactly what I am saying.
And Chimp Chomping is as good as any, I reckon. :D
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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:50 PM
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10. No, but...
I'm curious. What do you propose to use instead?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:59 PM
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19. Good question.
How about "Democrats," "Liberals," and "Progressives?"

The mere fact that we criticize the president does not define us, but you wouldn't know it from the extent of the use of that term.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:52 PM
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11. Thanks taste - as you remind us, language IS important.
NGU.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:54 PM
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13. Whenever I hear the word "Bush-haters" I feel a warm sense of pride
knowing I am among those good people that see what this "man" has done to America.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:55 PM
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15. You don't feel you are being demeaned and defined as a function
of a horrible man, and not taken seriously on your wide-range of beliefs?
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:03 PM
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24. No. What should I like about him and what he has done to America?
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 04:06 PM by Lastlaughin08
That I really "fundamentally don't agree with him on a few minor points"?

This man and his minions have all but ruined America.

If they want to call me a Bush-hater, so be it.

Just listen to what they call liberals on the radio shows. I'm supposed to mince words with these people?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:04 PM
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26. I'm not saying you should like anything about it.
Just that you should avoid labeling yourself with a phrase tailor-made by Frank Luntz.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:06 PM
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28. If we focus our attention on the agenda and not the man, so will
the voters--especially next year.
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afdip Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:55 PM
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16. i'll never say "bush-bashing" again . . . .
from now on it's gonna' be "bush-fucking." the fundies will never be able to repeat it.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 03:57 PM
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18. Nice one.
Of course, neither will the news media...
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:02 PM
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22. taste...the Bush Crime Family is just that
a murdering group of scumbags who are responsible directly/indirectly
for 911.The Crime Family has been formenting for years and finally
with the help of the Supremes stole the 2000 election.It seems to me
tasty,you forgot the smears Bill Clinton went through for allowing
himself a "blowjob" in the Whitehouse.Screw your intentions on bush
bashing....sorry,thats how I feel.....
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:03 PM
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23. I'm not saying we shouldn't knock Bush.
I'm saying that we shouldn't echo Republican talking points when we do it.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:04 PM
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25. There's more than enough in his agenda to criticize to keep us busy.
Language is tremendously powerful and our opposition knows this; that's why the 2 word culture prevails.

If we focus on why the policy is misguided, we negate their sorry talking points.

It's pretty dumb to supply your opposition with ammunition.

Constructive criticism is so much more attractive--and powerful--on us.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:06 PM
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29. Agreed.
Bush may be the problem, but we do ourselves a disservice to allow ourselves to be defined by him and his cronies.
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 04:28 PM
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34. I agree that we shouldn't use the term ...
"Bush-bashing," but for a different reason than you describe.

The term Bush-BASHING is inaccurate. Bashing implies unjustified, illegitimate or wanton criticism or vitriol, as in fag-bashing or Clinton-bashing.

The criticism and opposition to Bush are wholly justified and supported by facts. It's merely righteous criticism or Bush being held accountable.

The term bashing is being used much too loosely. We aren't bashing him at all; we're ripping him with legitimate reason.
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