Judith Miller and David Kelly

http://raggedthots.blogspot.com/2005/10/true-millers-tale.html

She really gets around, doesn't she?

"Judith Miller is the missing link between two different investigations. She’s not a mere reporter. How do we know? Because, she has “reported” none of this.

Despite these multiple conversations with Libby, Miller never wrote about Joseph Wilson.

Despite the fact that she revealed the content of her e-mail to her Times editors – and one of her colleagues wrote about her receiving the “dark actors” e-mail – she never was inclined to pursue what drove a major source of hers to suicide.

Despite the fact that both Wilson and Kelly were critical actors in twin transatlantic challenges to the integrity of government assertions in the run-up to the Iraq War, Miller never offered even an analysis of what was occurring – even though it is clear that she was in close contact with individuals close to both controversies.

Despite the fact, that the challenges were about validity of intelligence related to weapons of mass destruction – journalistic turf that she had made her own in The New York Times.

And Miller wrote nothing about this in the days following either the Wilson op-ed (published in her own newspaper) or the suicide of an individual with whom her e-mail indicates she shares a familial intimacy that goes beyond the usual reporter-source relationship (“Hope it’s true, J.”)

Isn’t this peculiar?"

What the holy hell is going on over at the Times, among other questions?

That Miller was something beyond (and other than) a mere journalist had to be known to her managing editors and the publisher. The Times clearly can't investigate itself in these matters, and Mr. Fitzgerald has agreed not to go there.

So, I think Mr. Spitzer needs to step into the breech and convene a Grand Jury to determine just what in the hell Judy really was doing that connected her to so many different crimes.

Mr. Spitzer? The panel is waiting.

I had a very brief chat with Spitzer at an event a couple of weeks ago. If I'd known anything about this, I'd have brought it up.

That word just popped into my head as I was typing. Muse came through the room sipping coffee, but she's gone off to work.O8)

embedded to help "discover" the WMD's that the CIA couldn't find.

Read the link here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5049555

It explains so many things so neatly with one assumption - that the US tried to plant WMD in Iraq to support the rationale for the war.

I have a few further comments:

I suspect that Miller was in the pocket of the WMD plotters, as well as their Brit counterparts. She was good friends with Kelly since she had used him as a source for a book ("Germs", on bio-warfare). The word I've heard is "confidante". I further suspect that he alluded to his knowledge of the WMD plot, perhaps in an email to her, she told her handlers, and Kelly's fat was in the fire.

The other thing about Kelly that muddies the waters just a bit is that he was a microbiologist whose specialty was bio-warfare. He had worked in the past with people who were developing genetically targetted bio weapons. Does the phrase "Microbiologist Murders" ring a bell with anyone? That means there is a chance he was part of whatever campaign has been waged against such people, claiming the lives of many, perhaps dozens of men with profiles like Kelly's. I still favour the notion that he was killed over the WMD plot, but the other angle deserves some examination.

One last data point is John J. Kokal. Here's an excerpt from the Rigorous Intuition blog:


http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/suicide-dont-fall-for-it.html

The timeline (Nov. 7, 2003) was right for Kokal to have stumbled across information about the failed WMD plot in the documents that were crossing his desk for analysis. He may have mentioned his conclusions to the wrong person.

,...a plant, an OSP op.

Despite the fact that she revealed the content of her e-mail to her Times editors – and one of her colleagues wrote about her receiving the “dark actors” e-mail – she never was inclined to pursue what drove a major source of hers to suicide.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1131833,00.html
Our doubts about Dr Kelly's suicide


Tuesday January 27, 2004
The Guardian


As specialist medical professionals, we do not consider the evidence given at the Hutton inquiry has demonstrated that Dr David Kelly committed suicide.
Dr Nicholas Hunt, the forensic pathologist at the Hutton inquiry, concluded that Dr Kelly bled to death from a self-inflicted wound to his left wrist. We view this as highly improbable. Arteries in the wrist are of matchstick thickness and severing them does not lead to life-threatening blood loss. Dr Hunt stated that the only artery that had been cut - the ulnar artery - had been completely transected. Complete transection causes the artery to quickly retract and close down, and this promotes clotting of the blood.

The ambulance team reported that the quantity of blood at the scene was minimal and surprisingly small. It is extremely difficult to lose significant amounts of blood at a pressure below 50-60 systolic in a subject who is compensating by vasoconstricting. To have died from haemorrhage, Dr Kelly would have had to lose about five pints of blood - it is unlikely that he would have lost more than a pint.
Alexander Allan, the forensic toxicologist at the inquiry, considered the amount ingested of Co-Proxamol insufficient to have caused death. Allan could not show that Dr Kelly had ingested the 29 tablets said to be missing from the packets found. Only a fifth of one tablet was found in his stomach. Although levels of Co-Proxamol in the blood were higher than therapeutic levels, Allan conceded that the blood level of each of the drug's two components was less than a third of what would normally be found in a fatal overdose.

We dispute that Dr Kelly could have died from haemorrhage or from Co-Proxamol ingestion or from both. The coroner, Nicholas Gardiner, has spoken recently of resuming the inquest into his death. If it re-opens, as in our opinion it should, a clear need exists to scrutinise more closely Dr Hunt's conclusions as to the cause of death.

David Halpin
Specialist in trauma and orthopaedic surgery

C Stephen Frost
Specialist in diagnostic radiology

Searle Sennett
Specialist in anaesthesiology

rowenathursby@onetel.net.uk

in light of everything we know about Miller.

to no avail.

only way he could tell his story without telling his story. Suicides are always messages.
Murder is a possibility just as it was/is in Princess Diana's case.

kelly wrote an email to judith dr kellys wife told and his daughter told saying he could not wait to go back to iraq...but he had to wait until after spetember as his first born was getting married and he was walking her down the isle..

no man commits suicide 2 months "before" he is walking his daughter down the isle for her wedding..men dream of this their entire lives to walk their daughters down their wedding isle...

dr david kelly was suicided...and somehow judy judy judy was involved..i would bet the farm on that..and the british government took kellys computer from his family...

i am searching my files for the quotes of kelly's wife on this..i hope i still have it..

fly

He saved them by killing himself and removing them from the equation.

so they wouldn't press to open the investigation into his death. There is no way this man killed himself.

(repeating/editing my comment from here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5039448 ... it's worthwhile looking at the original emails and other 'evidence' on the Hutton Inquiry site).

... sent a few hours before he died, as archived on the Hutton Inquiry site (.pdf) - Doesn't mention a trip to Iraq.

http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/com/com_4_...
From: David Kelly
Sent: 17 July 2003 11:18
To:
Subject: you
I will wait until the end of the week before judging - many dark actors playing games.
Thanks for your support I appreciate your friendship at this time.
Best,
David

Here are some (I'm not sure to whom) that do:

http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/com/com_4_...
From : David Kelly
Sent: 17 July 2003 11:18
To:
Subject : RE (no subject)
Many thanks for your thoughts It has been difficult Hopefully it will all blow over by the end of the week and I can travel to Baghdad and get on with the real work
Best wishes,
David

http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/com/com_4_...
From: David Kelly
Sent: 17 July 2003 11:18
To :
Subject:
Many thanks for your thoughts and prayers It has been a remarkably tough time .
Should all blow over by early next week then I will travel to Baghdad a week friday .
I have had to keep a low profile which meant leaving home for a week Back now.
With best wishes and thanks for your support
David

http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/com/com_4_...
From : David Kelly
Sent: 17 Jul 2003 11 :18
To:
Subject : RE I'm in town
Many thanks for the email let me know that you had been trying to contact me but I have been keeping low on MOD" advice If all blows over by the beginning of next week I will get to Baghdad soon
Regards,
David

http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/com/com_4_...
From: David Kelly
Sent: 17 July 2003 11.18
To :
Subject: RE "Media" presentation
Quite a week If all blows over I will be in Baghdad next friday Hope to see you shortly after that
All the best,
David

...

The data from Dr. Kelly's computer (including more emails) we're allowed to see is here: http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/evidence-l...

Further data and speculation here: http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/...

--> flyarm: I haven't yet seen the "had to wait until after spetember" email (it doesn't seem to be from July 17th). Any link please?

something he wasn't suppose to know and SHE tipped off the government and he was suicided. JUDY MILLER WAS THE LAST PERSON HE HAD CONTACT WITH! VERY important point.

Take a look at the link in the post below about the Hutton inquiry. the physical evidence screams murder.

It was a very good post and I will look at Hutton again. I was so upset with it and the other inquiry (forgot name - involved the Goldsmith, illegal war memo) that I have it in the bullshit, whitewash, cover up, directory in my mind.

have been suicide.

I understand she was the one giving the orders to the troops...

who REALLY is Judy Miller? Is she an Israeli spy? Is she CIA? Unfortunately most likely we will never know...but she is involved up to her eyeballs and probably knows a lot about David Kelly's "suicide"

to a news colleague before she went to jail, "I'll never testify. The gov't is too powerful."

Is she an active player or a pawn?

Was she sympatico with Kelly, a journalist with "dark forces" that would suicide her if she exposed the truth or was she feigning friendship with Kelly and then feeding her info to her neocon aspens who then "suicided" Kelly???

That is what I want to know.

It wasn't Sultzberger. She was kicking his ass at times. Who was she afraid of? Who are the dark forces?

from my files...


http://www.propagandamatrix.com/260104doctorsdispute.html


snip:

Letters forwarded to national British newspapers

As medical professionals, a trauma & orthopaedic surgeon, a specialist anaesthesiologist, and a diagnostic radiologist, we do not think evidence given at the Hutton Inquiry has demonstrated that Dr David Kelly committed suicide.

Dr Nicholas Hunt, the forensic pathologist who appeared at the Hutton Inquiry, concluded that Dr Kelly bled to death from a self-inflicted wound in his left wrist. We consider this highly improbable. Arteries in the wrist are of matchstick thickness and severing them does not lead to drastic blood loss. Dr Hunt stated that the only artery that had been cut - the ulnar artery - was completely transected. Complete transection means the artery quickly retracts, promoting clotting of the blood:

snip:

David Halpin, MB BS FRCS

Trauma & Orthopaedic Surgeon



Dr C Stephen Frost, BSc, MB ChB

Specialist in Diagnostic Radiology (Stockholm, Sweden)



Dr Searle Sennett, BSc, MBChB, FFARCS

Specialist Anaesthesiologist

In most cases the person flexes the wrist as they cut which makes it harder to cut an artery. The fact that the Ulnar was cut through implies
the hand was folded back and the victim (or perpetrator) knew how to do it.

Bottom line the opinion of a coroner is what is needed. This is a medical specialty of it's own. There is also a need to review relevant lab work (toxicology etc.)

those three doctors, he didn't slit his wrist properly. There was also very little blood where he was found. Not enough lost to have caused death.

The Murder of Dr. David Kelly: Alex Jones Interviews Michael Shrimpton:

Michael Shrimpton, a UK national security lawyer who was a guest on the show, revealed that sources within MI5 and MI6 are `furious' that Kelly was murdered. Click here for the full MP3 audio interview.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/022404shrimpton.html

i know a few people who tried to go out this way. despite it's prevalence in popular fiction, it is actually not a very useful way to go. it sure the heck takes more than on artery.

sounded fishy. And Judy is connected to him too? Good Gawd.
This thing keeps getting stranger and stranger.

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=911&id=78002004

snip:

WMD not ready in 45 minutes: Kelly

BILL JACOBS WESTMINSTER EDITOR


WEAPONS expert David Kelly said that Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction were an "immediate threat" but that it would take "days or weeks" rather than 45 minutes to use them.

In a secret BBC interview, the late weapons inspector asserted that the Iraqi dictator would only launch chemical or biological weapons as a last resort if under attack.


His view undermines the Government’s Iraq dossier, which says that "military planning allows for some of the WMD to be ready within 45 minutes".

And it also casts doubt on Tony Blair’s assertion that Saddam was ready to use them to attack his neighbours and had to be taken out to stop him. However, it does not support the full thrust of BBC Defence Correspondent Andrew Gilligan’s controversial Today programme report that Downing Street had "sexed up" the dossier in a range of ways.

The revelation also gives credence to the Prime Minister’s claim that all those involved in monitoring Iraq’s weapons programme believed Saddam did have biological and chemical weapons and was trying to develop nuclear ones.

The interview was recorded for Panorama in October 2002, a month after Mr Blair presented the controversial dossier to Parliament.

But it has never been broadcast and is revealed in a special Panorama programme on the whole issue of Dr Kelly’s suicide after being revealed as the source of Mr Gilligan’s story.

It comes just days before Lord Hutton presents his report into the tragedy early next week.

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/MediumRare/31.htm

Also, some information on Kelly's bio-war background here:
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/MediumRare/32.htm

There's little doubt in my mind any more that Kelly was "suicided" for what he knew about the American WMD plot.

Gone from a Law and Order episode to Stephen King.

Not CIA - the shit she's involved in is too nasty for them. I think she's the property of Libby and Feith.

This is getting bizarre. Now I know what that strange look on
Fitz's face is all about.

I think the relationship between Judy and her handlers is too informal to allow them to being official pressure to bear on Fitz - she's not an official NOC. At least I hope that's the case.

and under what circumstances?

It's much easier to do that than to plant someone.

in relation to Miller? She must have come from somewhere.

But it makes sense to me that she would have gone to Journo school, apprenticed with a few other papers, landed her job at the Grey Lady and was subsequently recruited by the "dark actors". I'll look up her legend on the net - time for some Google.

Education: Ohio State, Barnard and Princeton (MA, 1972) and some time at the University of Brussels. NYT correspondant since 1977. The date suggest she was recruited rather than planted.

(just a personal comment)

It's been suggested by some that she might have been an Operation Mockingbird kind of plant at one time..'sheepdipped' at Pacifica in 1970.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4033382&mesg_id=4033382

Some people believe that Operation Mockingbird ended with the Church commission. I'm not one of them. Maybe it acquired a new name, but it seems to be too useful of a tool to throw away.

I wasn't aware of the history of Pacifica or its connecton to Sweet Judy Blue-Eyes.

It's never wise to underestimate the power of a bureaucratic enemy.

"'many dark actors playing games'"

MANY - who are the MANY?
Wasn't Vanunu abducted from London by the Mossad with the help of a woman?

However, I think it's best to focus on the American side of the picture. Dragging the Mossad into the speculation makes the speculators vulnerable to charges of anti-semitism, and those can be very distracting. One piece at a time - pull on the American thread, unravel that sleeve first, and follow the trail wherever it goes. If it goes back through AIPAC to the Mossad, so be it, but this elephant needs to be eaten methodically, in small bites.

I'm the Abu Ghraib of metaphors this morning - sorry to torture them so badly...

On edit: spelling

It was pointed out in another thread that in Libby's letter to Miller (the "spens are turning" letter) he entreated her to "Come back to work". Not "Go back to work", but "Come" - as in, back to our work...

Hey Judy, who's your daddy?

http://www.randomhouse.com/features/spybook/spy/961113.html
"The most renowned woman in spy history--although she probably wasn't one. She was naive and easily duped--and trapped--by her "friends" as well as her enemies during World War I."

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports Miller said: "I won't testify. The risks are too great. The government is too powerful."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/06/national/main706715.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

she had no choice but to accept.

Whatever it was had to be another fear, at least equal to the 1st

May feel good at the time, but you will pay later.

good way.

Do you think she knew what she was getting into totally?
I have a sense she was in way over her head. She thought she was so smart. but she was not. Her own arrogance is part of what brought her down? She used them to further her career. They used her to further their's. And in the end they all come down.
No, make no mistake I have no sympathy for the lot of them
It is karma time.

from my files on kelly


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,1001856,00.html


snip:
The family - Kelly is survived by his wife Janice and three daughters - issued the statement hours after Superintendent David Purnell of Thames Valley police stood outside Wantage police station and said the scientist killed himself by cutting a wrist with a knife, possibly after taking powerful painkillers.

Kelly killed himself hours after sending an email to an unnamed journalist in which he told of 'many dark actors playing games'.

The words appeared to refer to officials at the Ministry of Defence and the UK intelligence agencies with whom he had sparred over interpretations of weapons reports, the New York Times reported.

From my files: email correspondance with Guardian editorial (media section) on 1 / 2 September 2003.

As we now know, the real inquest into the cause of death of Dr Kelly was never properly resumed (it was reopened merely to rubber-stamp Hutton's findings. The Hutton Inquiry was not a Coroner's Inquest into the cause of death, it was an inquiry into the 'circumstances surrounding' that death and became clearly corrupted - became all spin and about how to silence the media, especially the BBC.

The so-called 'forensic' part of Hutton was quite frankly laughable.

Email in reply to the Guardian:

Media.Guardian%GNL@guardian.co.uk wrote:
> This is not an inquest. The Inquest will resume after the hutton inquiry
> has ended.
>
>

Thanks for the response, and apologies for my delay. You will have referred at least to the document attached below. While I see that the original adjourned inquest may later be resumed, I nevertheless understand that the adjournment is "in accordance with Section 17A of the Coroners Act 1988 which allows a public inquiry chaired or conducted by a judge to fulfil the function of an inquest."

I have yet to see clearly whether this inquiry has been instructed to fulfil that function or not. Neither has one so far been made aware of "any essential further evidence as to the cause of Dr Kelly's death."

Your report of August 14th stated that Mr. Gardiner was "handing the main investigation into Dr Kelly's death over to Lord Hutton's inquiry".

In any case, it seems inadmissible at this stage of proceedings for the media to continue to preempt the inquest by insinuating (spinning?) that it has somehow been decided extrajudicially that there could be no explanation for the event on which the Hutton Inquiry has to focus other than suicide. At least stick to the phrase "apparent suicide", please.

For a Coroner to later reconvene for another five minutes to declare that "that's all, folks" would appear doubtful, to say the least - unless as I have said, justice can objectively be seen to have been served.

And yes, I know its a tricky issue. But I have to listen to opinion out here in mainland Europe.

--

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330/03

13 August 2003

CORONER'S INQUEST INTO DEATH OF DR KELLY ADJOURNED

The Lord Chancellor, Lord Falconer, has directed that the coroner's
inquest into the death of Dr David Kelly should be adjourned since
his death is being investigated by the public inquiry chaired by Lord
Hutton.

The Oxfordshire coroner's inquest into Dr Kelly's death will now be
adjourned in accordance with Section 17A of the Coroners Act 1988
which allows a public inquiry chaired or conducted by a judge to
fulfil the function of an inquest. The adjournment will take place as
soon as the coroner has taken any essential further evidence as to
the cause of Dr Kelly's death.

Lord Hutton's Inquiry has been set up to investigate the
circumstances surrounding Dr Kelly's death.

The purpose of Section 17A is to prevent duplication of proceedings
which can cause unnecessary distress to the bereaved. Lord Falconer
has checked that the Kelly Family would prefer that the Inquest be
adjourned. He will be writing to Mrs Kelly to confirm he has directed
that the inquest should be adjourned.

Similar adjournments were made in the cases of the judicial Inquiries
into the Ladbroke Grove rail crash and the case of Harold Shipman.

Notes for Editors

1. Section 71 of the Access to Justice Act 1999 added a new provision
to the Coroners Act 1988 - section 17A - which requires the coroner
to adjourn an inquest where a public inquiry can be expected to
fulfil the function of the inquest.

2. Section 17A only applies where: (a) a public inquiry is being
conducted or chaired by a judge, and (b) the Lord Chancellor is
satisfied that the cause of death is likely to be adequately
investigated by the public inquiry. The provision came into effect on
1 January 2000.

3. The provision was used in Lord Cullen's Public Inquiry into the
Ladbroke Grove railway disaster and in Dame Janet's Smith's Inquiry
into Harold Shipman.

4. When an inquest is adjourned under Section 17A, the coroner may
not resume the inquest during the inquiry, but must pass on to the
Registrar of Deaths a certificate stating any findings of the inquiry
in respect of the death.

Department for Constitutional Affairs
Selborne House, 54 Victoria Street, London SW1E 6QW
www.dca.gov.uk

for the WHIG- seems that David Kelly trust her and tells her everything he knows...