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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 10:58 AM
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Help me out with this freeper logic
I keep hearing that somehow Wilson "outed" his own wife. What is the tenuous logic for this claim? How is it refuted?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:01 AM
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1. Freepers have no logic.
It is impossible to talk logically to any repuke.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:43 PM
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17. I guess most oxymorons
in order to exist need a moron who can't see the inherent contradiction.

Fearless Freepdom is little league compared to trying to convince Foggy Bottom policy wonks they are nuts and destructive.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:21 PM
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25. Rush is an oxymoron.
Just sayin'.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:01 AM
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2. Ask for their proof. Like all right wing claims, this is a lie.
Ask for their explanation of why Wilson would do such a thing. What did he hope to gain from it? Then ask for real proof that Wilson did it.

It's baloney.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:03 AM
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3. I agree, but
Like most RW claims, there is probably some slight appearence that this could be true. Does anybody know what they base it on?
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ozarkvet Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:06 AM
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4. Their tinfoil was contaminated
With lead.

Causes mental problems.
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Cactus44 Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:10 AM
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7. Supposedly WIlson mentioned her being

'with The Agency' at some DC social affairs.

It's unlikely to be true and they really hove no more proof than "Rush said so.".
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:40 PM
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16. LOL If that's considered 'outing' someone, half of DC has been outed! n/t
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:27 PM
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13. Again, make them prove it. Who knows what
they base their drivel on? Why don't you simply ask them to prove it?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:41 PM
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21. Yes
Based on some of the freepers I encounter on another discussion board, it came from WorldNetDaily or somewhere equally as horrible and it goes something like this:

Too bad that Wilson had already outed her at Washington parties and to Vanity Fair.
Per 'TonyWalk' --big PBS NOW freeper/Bush lover/Religious right fanatic

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=39257&highlight=wilson

This is another common freeper argument I hear over and over like a broken record:

Plame was not a 'covert' agent. Therefore she could not be 'outed.'
Per 'TDB8'
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=38908&highlight=wilson
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:09 AM
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5. I've heard FReepers claim that he "outed" her by saying he had A WIFE
How fucked up is that?
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:29 PM
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14. As opposed to a sugar mommy? cripes!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:50 PM
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22. I know. It is absolutely insane
But, when you think about it, most FReeper arguments can be broken down to three simple categories

Blatant lies (Rush said it, so it must be true)

Hypocracy (somehow Democratic "scandals" and "crimes" really bug these people, but its not problem when Republicans do it ten times as often and on a much larger scale)

and, my personal favorite

Raving insanity (The Clintons funded Area 51 so they could get the aliens to kill Vince Foster. That's why the black helicopters fly over your house at night. They are testing weapons.)
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:09 AM
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6. Wilson did not live in an underground bunker. He was a public figure.
Thus, he obviously "outed" his wife donchaknow.

That's their logic. Really, that's about as far as it goes. They'll believe anything and repeat it until told a new lie.

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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:11 AM
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8. The CIA where the ones who asked for an
investigation into who "outed" Valerie. I would argue that they do not make a habit of requesting investigations and have a hell of a lot more information then the "freeper logic" holds or we do for that matter. I'd also tell them that they should relax, if Joe Wilson outed his own wife it will come out in this investigation. Basically, we will all find out the answers soon.
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:17 AM
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9. You can't fight illogic with logic. n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:17 AM
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10. Advocates of Villainy ALWAYS blame the victim.
"They deserved it!" "They did it to themselves!"

These are the two types of blame. The first one absolves the Villain as a "Bringer of Justice" - the old "Vengeful God" meme. This is where their proclamation of compassion is shown to be thinner than a morning dew. The latter is often delusional. In an abstract sense, we all participate in the tragedies that befall us. Shot in a drive-by? We chose to be there. Fired? We chose to work there. They take a truism and pervert all sense of justice, compassion, and mercy. It's not at all unusual to collect falsehoods to make such a case.

DUers do this! Fat? It's your fault, so pay double! :shrug: We're living in a glass house.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:16 PM
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11. "Freeper Logic" is an oxymoron
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:18 PM
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12. Here's what you do
Take a large power drill, place a good size bit in it, and place it about an inch over the spot right between your eyes.

Now, pull the trigger, and don't let go until you want to vote for Frist in 08.

Oh, you say you want to understand freeper logic, not use freeper logic?

That's different. Never mind.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:32 PM
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15. If you are arguing with a winger, make them prove their assertion, provide
some link or news article etc. that supports this. 95 percent of the time this will end your "argument". RWers feel they can make infinite random assertions against Dems or to support their cause, and put the onus on proving the reverse on the other side.

Some of them do it on this very board.
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kywildcat Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:45 PM
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18. arguing with a freeper
is like 2 bald men fighting over a comb.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:52 PM
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19. They didn't even tell their next door neighbors and friends
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Left Turn Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:15 PM
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20. Ok
A) Freeper and logic....does not compute...malfunction occuring.

However,

B) In this case, they are arguing that Wilson told people in Washington she worked for the CIA, therefore she was "out" and "known" before people in the Bush White House exposed her.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:40 PM
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23. REAL logic tells you that if they didn't tell their friends, they didn't
tell RELATIVE STRANGERS in DC. Capice?
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:19 PM
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24. Hmmm, maybe they think that Wilson wants her home, barefoot and......
pregnant in the kitchen making him dinner. Oh, I'm sorry, thats *.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:41 PM
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26. Why in the hell would a man who loves his wife and with whom he has
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 05:21 PM by SillyGoose
2 small children, jeopardize her safety by outing her undercover status? Also, if Wilson did do this, what was his motivation for blowing the cover off the CIA front company Brewster Jennings and all the other undercover agents whose safety was also jeopardized by this outing?

There is nothing 'logical' about this claim, tenuous or not.


(edited for grammatical error)
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:47 PM
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27. Umm, if they'll just hold on a minute
the grand jury will tell em.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 05:23 PM
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28. Yes, the GJ will fill in the gaps of this sorry incident in due time.
But I'll bet the farm that one of those gaps won't be that Joe Wilson outed his own wife.
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