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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:59 PM
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Minister: Canada Needs More Immigrants
MONTREAL - Canada's foreign affairs minister said Thursday that the country badly needed more immigrants to replace aging workers who are headed for retirement.

Pierre Pettigrew said that increasing the population to 40 million by welcoming more immigrants would help foot the bill for new infrastructure, such as roads and bridges.

"This is a vast country, the infrastructure is expensive and it's a bigger country than the United States is," Pettigrew said. "I am saying that if we were 40 million Canadians, that infrastructure would not be necessarily a lot more expensive, but we would be more (people) to foot the bill."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051014/ap_on_re_ca/canada_immigrants_needed;_ylt=Alsvm5WfZhsm2VtG65PMbfSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:01 PM
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1. This is great news!
I'd better get my visa application in, just in case the chimpeachment falls through.
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lcordero2 Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:04 PM
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2. I wonder if Canadian citizens are going to be "H1-Bed"
Like what happened to US citizens.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:42 PM
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22. I wouldn't go there without a green card.
I'm neither that desperate nor that stupid.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:10 PM
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3. You heard the man. Let's go! B.C. or bust!
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 01:11 PM by KamaAina
I know, there are nine other fine provinces plus some territories, but the others are just too bloody cold... but hey, hockey's back, so let's get on up there while the Timbits are hot, eh?

edit: not to mention some of B.C.'s other advantages... :smoke:
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:44 PM
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23. Kingston, Ontario has some nice English pubs.
We talk about retiring there one day all the time, but I don't think they want retirees. Anybody know if Kingston has an IT industry to speak of?
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:47 PM
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24. Oshawa is a GM town a lot like Flint., but more clean.
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 03:47 PM by sarcasmo
If you have a needed skill, Canada will gladly lay out the welcome mat.
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lcordero2 Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:24 PM
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42. lemme see
I was in Kingston before. I think that Queens University was there. There was a prison. I remember AJ's hangar, Stages, and the Shaker's Lounge.
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:30 PM
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43. I'm from the Brockville area
..it's about 45 minutes east of Kingston...Don't know about the IT biz there though?? wish I had more info for you (actually, am from the Toronto area..parents still in Brockville)

Kingston is such a lovely city...not too big, not too small..I've always loved Kingston..not a far drive to Ottawa or Toronto (3 hours to Toronto...probably 1.5 hours to Ottawa)
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SixStrings Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:13 PM
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4.  Can you tell an election is coming?

Give me a break. Blatant vote buying. Someone explain to me how increasing immigration "would help foot the bill for new infrastructure, such as roads and bridges." I'd think increased immigration would strain our resources.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:12 PM
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8. Immigrants are hard-working, tax-paying welcome additions to
Canada and we DO need to increase our immigration numbers to keep up our quality of life and our social programs.

Immigrants are NOT a strain on our resources, they are a welcome addition to our resources, imo.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:17 PM
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30. I'm just a dumb American, but I have to ask
How does advocating for increased immigration lead to vote buying?

Does encouraging immigration get votes in Canada?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 10:29 PM
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39. Traditionally, Canada's immigrant population votes Liberal...
so I think the poster is trying to imply that the Liberal govt. is only advocating for increased immigration in order to stay in power.

Sid
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:34 PM
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44. Phew cause I wouldn't want
a conservative government here! been through that agony already..so I say lettim' in!!!
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:18 PM
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5. Montreal here I come!!
I LOVE that town!!!
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:33 PM
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14. Hey! Save some smoked meat and poutine for me!
:toast:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:37 PM
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15. If there's any left, it's yours!
:hug:
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Neocondriac Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:40 PM
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6. reality is...
other than the cold weather seemingly year round. Most of us in this forum would be much happier there. I too looked into the Vancouver area last December.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:48 PM
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7. Vancouver
My husband and I would like to retire there, but we heard that to become a permanent resident you must be a skilled worker, have family already there to sponsor you, or start a business. Anyone know of how to explore this?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:14 PM
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9. Here is a link to the government site that has immigration info
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:24 PM
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33. 72 points here
Maybe I should start thinking seriously about emigrating.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:23 PM
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11. We would love to live in Canada as retirees, but it's very difficult.
I've looked into it a bit (just read some of the laws which seem to pertain) and come to the same conclusion that you have. Pretty much the same for New Zealand - our second choice.

Alas, after 40+ years of working, I'm in no mood to do it again.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:53 PM
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19. We DO NOT have cold weather year round....that's a myth
In fact this year, since early spring, we have had hot weather right across the country...It is just starting to get fall-like now, here in Ontario....Where I live in southern Ontario, our winters are actually about comparable to Chicago...perhaps even nicer....:)
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:14 PM
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28. I live in Oregon
I'm farther north than you!

This perception drives me nuts. :)
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:36 PM
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45. and I was just informed this evening
that they are predicting a green christmas in the Toronto area...(which has happened before)
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:58 PM
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26. The weather in Toronto is the same as...
Chicago
New York
Detroit
Boston
Cleveland
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh

We get 4 real seasons. Yes we have to rake leaves in the fall, but we also get 3 weeks of spectacular gold, red, green and yellow trees when the leaves are changin colours.

Yes we have to shovel snow for a couple of months in the winter, but we also get to make snowmen with our kids and go tobogganing and drink hot chocolate. And hot tubbing in freezing weather is an activity that everyone should try.

Yes it's hot and humid in the summer, but we also have cottages and camping and thousands of freshwater lakes within a 4 hour drive.

Some people like sunny and 75 every day. Others like variety in their weather. As the saying goes, that's why they make both vanilla and chocolate :)

Sid
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LatinoSocialist Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:22 PM
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10. If they can find me a good job in vancouver
$40,000 and above, and give me dual citizenship, i'm SO there.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:25 PM
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12. This is a batch of Bull$hit.
Canada needs more immigrants on the welfare rolls like New Orleans needs another hurricane.

If we got the immigrants, and they didn't immediately sign on for the "cash for life" lottery, as it is called, then perhaps it would work, and ease the tax burden on all of us.

But they will, and it won't.

I hope they send them out to Alberta - apparently there is a great need for workers there at preseent.
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SixStrings Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:48 PM
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17. You sir are a bigot!
But, but but they 'add to our resources'!!! look at the post above! (sarcasm).

I agree 100% with what you are saying. I am tired of paying for everyone else when I can't afford a fucking furnace, or heating oil this year. Enough is Enough. Each refugee recieves $1890 per month and if they are on welfare an additional $580 per month. I work 40+ hrs. a week at a salaried position in sales and I would gladly trade what I make per month to sit on my ass and collect what they make.

Go ahead, flame away.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:02 PM
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27. If the name fits...nt
Sid
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:07 PM
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32. Bull, you seem to not know the difference between immigrants
and refugees, why am I NOT surprised and your biases are certainly on display. Refugees often have to depend on our social systems initially because they are leaving war torn, dangerous home countries. Most become outstanding citizens of Canada over time.

All Canadians come from immigrant stock, we are a country of immigrants, and immigrants have made Canada what it is.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:33 PM
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37. eesh really.. i empty my banks and move my business to canada
and this is the welcome committee? LOL
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:33 PM
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38. oops
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 07:33 PM by meow mix
think i doubled =D
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:43 PM
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46. I totally agree with your position on this
well said :)

Being in real estate over the years, I know some amazing self-made people...they're stories of arriving here with nothing and building their life on sheer drive are very inspiring...I've never met many people sitting on their buns doing nothing (they do exist, but that exists everywhere on this earth)..it's the other that are the rule and these few who are the exception (IMO)
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:26 PM
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13. I'll volunteer!!!!
:hi:

Need social workers?

:-)
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 10:47 PM
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41. Yes, desperately
Also nurses, doctors, dentists and practically every other professional you could name.
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radar Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:45 PM
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16. Just reading "One Pissed Off Veteran"
Touched on moving if...

"...They are sure to keep up the fake terror alerts, those cheap magic act diversions, while all the while trying to consolidate their corrupt power. The 2006 elections will tell the tale: If, after everything we do to bring down this corrupt and evil empire, they are still in power in the Congress, it will be time to think about making some "alternative lifestyle" plans.
Like living it somewhere else."


Subway Terror Alert a Hoax? Say it Ain't So.
Wednesday, October 12, 2005

http://opovet.blogspot.com/2005/10/subway-terror-alert-hoax-say-it-aint.html
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:51 PM
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18. I might be heading up to Canada next year, for college.
Going to visit soon...can't wait! :)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:54 PM
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20. It's a shame then that I can't pass their online profiling test!
By about 5 points, too.

It'd be nice to live in a country where I felt wanted. And for more than just my body... but I don't see that happening and my body is falling to pieces anyway. :grimace:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:51 PM
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25. where's their online profiling test located?
i want to move there!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:16 PM
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29. On their website, I'd think...
O8)

They like inquisitiveness. And the ability to speak two languages. And have a good degree (I have one but it's not good enough for them :( ). Lots of other things too.

Good luck.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:26 PM
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35. you got ten grand in the bank and can do a job a Canadian can't fill?
Cause those were two of the requirements when I last looked several months back. :(
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freestyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:54 PM
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21. In about two or three years, sign me up.
I have a degree to finish and my grandparents are quite old and not in the best health. I would have huge problems being very far away from them, or from my mom since they are living with her.

Emigrating is a very real possibility in a few years. As the hate campaign against GLBT Americans, and pretty much everyone who is not rich, white, male, and christian continues, I feel less connected to this country. A long time ago, Malcolm X said that the south is everything below the Canadian border. He was right.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:42 PM
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31. so what exactly does this mean...
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 06:43 PM by DubyasWorld
establish a business that will, at a minimum, create an employment opportunity for themselves and that will make a significant contribution to cultural activities or athletics in Canada
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/applications/business.html

so you have to sponsor a symphony orchestra or a hockey team?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:25 PM
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34. I wish I could afford to go
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:29 PM
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36. I'm coming!
Hold the elevator!
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 10:44 PM
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40. Everybody here is screaming for workers
You drive down the street and every store, every business is looking for people. Granted a lot of it is minimum wage work, but store owners are telling me they can't get anybody because higher paying jobs are vacant as well.
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Penguin31 Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 12:44 AM
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47. ....Somehow I still don't think I'd be accepted
College Student (midway through Year 2), no real work experience, limited funds.

Sure would be nice though *sigh*
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