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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:41 PM
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How Did A Man As Smart As Bob Shrum Lose Three Presidential Elections?
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 07:08 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
He seems like one of the best and most mentally adroit Democratic advocates...
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:43 PM
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1. He's lousy at his job
Guy's never won an election.

Now, tell me why anyone hires him?

I have no idea.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:46 PM
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3. But He's Smart And A Great Debater....
I have never seen him lose an argument and I have been watching him for twenty five years...
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:48 PM
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5. How many Bob Shrums that lost three election are there?
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 06:50 PM by TrueAmerican
Because the one I see on tv is an idiot.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:51 PM
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9. How Is He An Idiot?
Name a conservative that got the better of him when they argued on tv....
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 08:22 PM
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26. Who cares? Guy isn't paid to argue on TV.
He's not paid to lose elections either.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:25 PM
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18. My dog can catch a Frisbee in her mouth
while running at full speed.

That doesn't make her a good campaign director.

He's never won an election. Do you think anyone would hire me if I'd lost every trial I had?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:31 PM
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21. He Has Won Over Twenty Senate Elections...
He has been a failure at the presidential level though....


That's the mystery ...
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 08:01 PM
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23. What does that have to do with ........
...... oh, never mind. You like his debating skills.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 08:02 PM
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24. Just This.
"He's never won an election"
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 08:21 PM
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25. You quoted his three failures
So? We were discussing presidential elections.

Stay with the program, dammit. <wink>
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:45 PM
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2. Did you say "smart"? eom
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:48 PM
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4. He Wrote Ted Kennedy's 1980 Democratic Convention Speech...
Folks considered that one of the best pieces of political oratory since William Jenning Bryan's Cross Of Gold speech...


As I said I have never seen him lose an argument on tv...
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:03 PM
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14. Here's my list
He's too cautious

He talks a lot tougher than he is

He won't win by any means necessary

He doesn't use opinion polls creatively or effectively

He didn't have the best candidates
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:30 PM
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20. Your point #1 it THE answer!
He's TOO CAUTIOUS!

I could go through all the old lines...nothing ventured, nothing gained; the bigger the risk the bigger the reward....

But that's not necessary.

You have to be w3illing to take of the damn gloves and fight...OUT LOUD! Being good in the war room just doesn't make it!
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:49 PM
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6. Al Gore won in 2000 didn't he. n/t
nt
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:49 PM
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7. I'm reminded of a quote from Adlai Stevenson.
He was told by a woman "every thinking person will vote for you".

He said: "That's great Ma'am, but I need a majority."
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:57 PM
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12. Great quote! Turns out Stevenson is a treasure trove of them.
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 06:57 PM by Bernardo de La Paz
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adlai_Stevenson
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:07 PM
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15. Yes, he was a clever guy.
But there was no stopping Eisenhower. Adlai was the right man at the wrong time.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:50 PM
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8. yes he is lousy at his job. n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:52 PM
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10. I'll Stipulate Lousy At Electing Presidents But The Man Is Smart...
Maybe too smart as another poster opined...
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:53 PM
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11. He's smart but a lousy strategist
I can't imagine a major Dem presidential candidate hiring him, but given the Dems penchant for self destruction, who knows.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:13 PM
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16. Enjoy Your Stay Here...
I am sure there will be someone here to refute your points...


I'll just refute one of them....


Eighty percent of the deficit which has been accruing since the time of Washington has been accrued by just three presidents... They are Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43....


Oh, before you disappear pardner let me be the first to say don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya...
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:17 PM
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17. gee, why was he allowed to lose more than one?
part of the problem with the dem party is that losing has no adverse consequnces for those in chagre.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:27 PM
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19. Exactly
I've watched this nonsense for decades, and I'll be damned if I understand the total erosion of Democratic smarts and spines.
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:40 PM
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22. Playing prevent defense. If fails every time
n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 09:51 PM
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27. Shrum, Trippi, Caddell, Matthews------------All LOSERS
Sorry, but ROVE now taught them how to be WINNING FLUNKY.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 09:54 PM
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28. More Answers
Too LOUD on t.v.

Don't talk COMMON SENSE & PLAIN TRUTH enough.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 10:22 PM
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29. Who the fuck is Bob Shrum,
and why?

Redstone
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 10:24 PM
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30. Bob Shrum was the advisor
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 10:26 PM by fujiyama
for several Democratic presidential candidates including Kerry and Gore. I believe he was also involved in the Mondale campaign.

And he hasn't won a single presidential election. I believe he hasn't been quite as bad with senate elections, but the guy obviously has no understanding of national politics.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 10:47 PM
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31. If he has no understanding of national politics, why do they
keep hiring him as an "advsor" in national campaigns?

I swear, I'll never understand politics. The guy flubs the job, then gets hired (and paid) to flub it again, and again.

Nice work if you can get it, yes?

Redstone
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 10:57 PM
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32. Yeah, forget about the elections in 2000 and 2004 being stolen.
We still have denial here about the fact we don't have fair elections in this country.

Shrum has NOTHING whatever to do with these "losses," which weren't losses at all.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:04 PM
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33. Oh, I'm not disputing that the elections were stolen.
I just don't understand who these people get these jobs as "advisors." Seems like a pretty cushy deal, and you're never held to any accounting.

Redstone
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:54 PM
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34. Bob Shrum reminds me of a famous Shaquille O'Neal quote
(This was, of course, before he got to the Lakers and finally became a winner)

"I've been successful on every level except college and the pros"
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 01:27 AM
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35. I'll never forget when Kerry brought in Shrum. Some people
Edited on Sat Oct-15-05 01:27 AM by Crazy Guggenheim
almost threw up their hands and gave up.

:rofl:
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 04:23 AM
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36. From the begining
I think many were nervous about his presence.

That recent Paul Hackett quote really applies - "The Democratic party is addicted to failure".
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