Dem Debate Thread #3

Here is the link to thread #1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=506713

Here is the link to thread #2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=506993

...HE DID NOT WIN"!

Keep it up, Al, baby.

:kick:

and they sound fine.

for a drive-by debate.

Even Dean isn't annoying me as much as usual. Damn, we got some good candidates.

Be scared...be very scared bec ALL our guys/gal look good and ARE NOT being intimidated by Judy and her cabal.

strong.
The lines are good too.

Joe said they can't even find the leaker in the White House.

Leakgate needs attention.

We can't compete with people whose judgement may
be wrong for this country...

good speech.
Rev. Al says Bush didn't win..wwwooooooo

We need to expand the voter base, not just pander to the "swing" voter.

"they can't even find the leaker in the White House."

Good for Kerry! This is the worst debate format I've ever seen. Judy needs to shutup and let them talk. Are they so afraid somebody might say something bad about Bush that they have to control the debate so tightly?

Well, boo-hoo.... :nopity: the pink tutus are off!

But alot of DUers just want to pander to swing voters. I see threads saying that Clark is the only one that can pick up the military vote. Or Clark is the only one who can win Southern States that is why we need him. Clark is a former general therefore he is the only one who can be viewed as strong on national security, etc.

He's much better off when he isn't deriding someone
else...it just doesn't fit him well.

He should be the patrician

He KNOWS the answers, He KNOWS what's right, now if only he would just start saying it and doing it and not ever stop.

get your points in early and often. :-)

He will mobilize young blacks...and he'll get them to the polls, just like Jesse Jackson did in the 70's. I just hope the party powers-that-be don't piss him off.

to run away from Al anymore.

"We raised more money than anyone." "I'm the only one who has been standing up for democratic values, and I've come from nowhere..."

More swing voters watching, so he's got to let them hear the stump stuff.

Dennis is going after Kerry and Gephardt on the war vote. God bless you Dennis. Kinda wish he'd stop picking at Dean, but hey, he's gotta do his thing.

You should turn on the tv. Woodruff is being a bitch, but really the democrats up there aren't letting her get away with it. It's worth it to see Al throw it back at her.

Sorry if I got your name wrong.

I seen this alot, a moderator would ask a question on what they would do but the candidate would just go on and attack Bush instead of giving their plan. Woodruff is basically telling them that isn't what I asked.

...I turned it back on. And yes, strong candidates, each with things they are bringing to the table. It's obvious who I am personally supporting, but I'd be happy to vote for the vast majority of the people on stage with few reservations.

they are all doing fabulous. maybe woodruff, getting under their skijn is making it happen. but i do hate that b***********

I don't really care for him, but he does have that knack for sounding 'statesman-like.'

CNN is doing a lousy job. Judy Woodruff is an awful moderator. She's cutting people off. It's a friggin' free-for-all.

bad karma from him not being there ... hehehe

all the candidates have done well. Although I get tired of them bashing each other.

Kucinich doing it now, about the vote for the war.

The candidates have had to talk over her and Greenfield more than once. Greenfield asked about values being a repug issue. Sure. War values, tax cut values, etc.

Her job is not to defend George W Bush ! Wake up, dammit!

LET THE MAN SPEAK!!!

this isn't her show.

Something we agree on! :toast:

Not enough republican talking points around. She's going through withdrawals.

The looks on her face disgust me.. she looks like she just has no interest in what anyone there says.. Let her go back to doing whatever it is she does when she's not turning kids into stone with that face.

-darknemus

She's been a Republican ass-licker for a long time.

I think she feels she has to play "opposition" or devil's advocate for the candidates. I don't mind that at all...gets them off balance...not a bad thing. Are you expecting softballs? I sure don't want them.

I do object to pontificating, which Greenfield is putting on an award winning performance.

Also Woodruff is doing pretty well moderating. I've been able to hear from all the candidates (I don't care who talks for or last), and to keep the debate on schedule and focused. Also she's doing us a favor by trying to get these candidates off their message...again, I'm looking to see how "real" a candidate vs. scripted. The jury's still out here on whose doing that.

too bad he wasn't a little pre-emptive himself :shrug:

People will attack us.

in terms of Iran.

GO AFTER BUSH, DAMN IT!

not talk about anything but the vote on the Iraq war? That was addressed early in the debate. Kucinich should use what little time he gets to talk about a variety of issues.

Dean responding well.

A debate means an argument, this isn't a forum, the candidates are supposed to be arguing with each other because this is a debate and if all 9 candidates blast Bush, how will the voters know which candidate is better then the others. Keep arguing with each other dems!

This is NOT A DEBATE. Figure it out.

Kerry and Gep supported the attack....that's why people don't believe the Dems...

Kucinich says bring the troops home...

Better tell us where the troops are coming from Doc...
do you believe in a draft?

Bush can't get anyone to help, but Dean could.

heehee

That was actually kind of endearing. I'm pretty tired of the Southern drawl coming out of the Chimp's mouth. No offense meant to our friends below the Mason/Dixon line...

Kinda cute.

Reminds me of JFK and his talk about "Cuber"

Kucinich and Dean duking it out keeping troops in Iraq

Good stuff here.

Dean talking about why we can't bring our troops home. Seems like it is the first time he's been able to say this. We can't pull out responsibly. Can't allow other regimes to come in and make it worse.

one of them gets to the point, Judy tries to interupt. Why don't they just have a bell, like they did in New Mexico?

Debates have time limits on answers, rebuttals, and responses. This is a free-for-all.

that he would go to the UN and get rid of US control of infrastructure, oil, government to get UN troops in and be able to get as many of our troops as possible out. He wasn't allowed time to say this but hopefully will in another round.

He also said this time, and always, that funding has to come from reversing the tax cuts.

to drop out.

Flame away, but I want to hear what the ones who realistically might be in office are thinking so I can make up my mind.

Sharpton will be missed, but it's not that long before the primary - we need to hash these things out.

As for the comment that this is a debate so it's OK for them to act like spatting schoolkids, I disagree. It's OK to challenge each other, but not if it turns into a verbal brawl, nor if THE MESSAGE OF BUSH AS THE PROBLEM IS NOT GETTING OUT. At this point, it's been quite a while since I've heard Bush bashing from the candidates, and that's not good.

There was no danger to Americans in Iraq before we went in

but there is NOW

so we can't just cut and run.

Can't believe Kucinich doesn't get it.

for pulling out of Iraq with the help of the UN. Dean is mischaracterizing his position.

Dean, Clark, and Edwards looking the best... Kerry looking better than he has before.

And Al is doing a good job being Al :-)

I got this from thread #2


". Dean rocked! The crowd was with him

Edited on Thu Oct-09-03 08:41 PM by Woodstock
"This isn't about changing presidents, it's about changing the country."

And I liked when he said "The American people aren't as dumb as Washington thinks WE are." (he's one of us.)"

:kick:

Anyone who listens to some of his answers, which are heavily weighed down by Washington jargon and entirely devoid of passion and clarity, will understand that this can simply cannot connect with the American public.

He's also just had a Michael Dukakis moment. If someone asks whether you'd support the death penalty for someone who rapes and murders your wife, the answer is "hell, yes."

If someone asks whether you'd take unilateral action if you have actual proof that Iran is about toe start building nuclear weapons and the UN refuses to do anything about it, the answer is "hell, yes" not "I question the premise of your question." What of friggin wuss.

Not quite a "feel your pain" moment. But still, it's an improvement over the others.

:D

for a commercial break! I can go get that refill on my glass of wine.

I'm enjoying this with you guys tonight. Awesome!

...on his preemptive strike policy. Says this is something that can't wait until 2004. Goes on to say that THIS policy is causing nations like Iran to acceletate their nuclear programs.

I wish they all would.

good point to bring up...we need some new talking points
here.

...I give big points to those that are managing to introduce these vital datum to the dialogue:

Edwards on War Profiteering
Dean on being responsible and honest in our foreign policy
Kerry on leakgate
Sharpton on the obvious GOP pandering the "moderators" are doing...

Seems like they are all having to "seize the moment" in taking time, because this is SO poorly managed by CNN.

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ready to go.

Audience member asking about helping out the military.

Clark volunteers a response: "Republicans like weapons systems; Democrats like people."

Great answer.

I just had to say that!!

GRRRRRRRRRRR

She is looking great.

on Cnn radio you hear Judy bitching about how she cant fix her hair or lipstick lol

LOLOLOL!

around up there being yelled at is getting to her.

...supposedly from 'Democrats and Independents'.

Maybe they are all in cohoots.

He looks like Lily Tomlin did when she played Ernestine sitting in that chair there.. I know its not particularly important, its just kinda goofy looking.

-darknemus

I don't see any of them with their feet on the floor. Haven't looked at Kerry yet, though.

He is pretty short. don't care.

He just looked like he was 10 sitting there.. probably the camera angle.

-darknemus

his collar and tie look too tight. was he a wrestler?

Yes, Judy is being a "bad girl" but I'm lovin' the way the candidates are responding, apparently ruffling her feathers good! Geesh, if it would only sink into her thick, thick skull. Candidates are not backing down in their overall "togetherness" in getting rid of the current madness of K. George.

Now, let's hear questions from the audience!!!

All the guys got to get comfortable

;-)

That subject line made me very curious.

Edwards rolling up his sleeves.

habing to stand there and defend our party? It sounds like woody is baiting these men into just defending our policies.....I hate this bitch...and yes CNN is getting a very nasty e-mail from me......

She can't interrupt with a commercial nor does she have control over the microphone. Cannot just hang up or lose contact (technical difficulty) like she can behind her comfy desk on CNN.

but is not coming across with the clinton "feel"

CNN's objective since 2000? To bash the Democratic Party? I remember how Jeff Greenfield was one of the ones to pushed the lie that Al Gore was a pathological liar.

What else to expect from CNN?

nice to divide the format

;-)

Contrived News Now

Talking about Vet benefits cuts while Bush waves the flag!!!

That poor guy is sweating to death in there.

Notice how Lieberman was a condescending kiss ass to the guy.

Kerry's good on the vets, but why is he standing up?

Al sounded good too, as usual.

What a bitch

she can't stand any of our guys and it's evident. Beeeeyaatch!

and he dominated the whole time so Dean couldn't give a better answer

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