I sent the following to another forum and got this response...

typical RW whining!!

I wrote


>
> Where is everyone? What do the Bush supporters think of the
indictments that
> may be coming for Rove and other Whitehouse staffers? What about
the DeLay
> and Frist situations? How about Dick Cheney's Halliburton stock
value
> increasing by about 3000%? Still think that there is no conflict
of interest? What
> about Bush's poll numbers -- they pretty much suck.
>
> The war in Iraq is not going too well...comments? When should we
pull our
> troops out? Why shouldn't we pull our troops out?
>
> You guys know my opinions -- I despise Bush and this
administration. In my
> opinion, they are nothing but criminals who are using our treasury
to get rich
> and are going to stick us with the bill. I have been against the
war since
> day one and do not see any way to achieve "victory" in this mess.
They are
> incompetent and have shown that time and time again.
>
> How do you guys feel who have been Republicans for so long? Do
these
> neo-cons represent your party? What happened to smaller
government and fiscal
> responsibility?
>
> Here is a "letter" from another board that I found. I am not
trying to start
> trouble, but wonder what you guys think of the comments. Here it
is:
> Mike
>
> ----------
>
> An Open Letter to Bush Supporters
> Recent polling data shows that support for our president is at an
all-time
> low. George Bush’s approval rating is hovering at the 37%-39%
range. To many
> progressives, these figures represent an opportunity to say “I
told you so!” to
> conservatives in their social circle.
>
> While gloating can be fun (and is arguably warranted after five-
plus years of
> taking it on the chin), I think that progressives should look at
this as an
> opportunity to reach out to the 37% of those who still support
this
> administration. After all, every one of us wants America to be a
better place, and mere
> name-calling isn’t the most effective means to achieve that goal.
>
> With that in mind, I’d like to address you, the remaining 37% -
39% in a
> respectful way.
>
> I know we have differences. Some of our beliefs will never be
reconciled, and
> that’s okay. It’s also okay to be a Republican. But if you
objectively look
> at the things that your party has done in your name over the last
five years,
> you have every right to be appalled. The Republican Party used to
stand for
> small and efficient government, fiscal and personal
responsibility, and staying
> out of the affairs of other countries unless absolutely necessary.
These are
> things that we can all accept, if not embrace. However, while your
party still
> claims to be for these ideals, their actions have consistently
been the
> opposite of their rhetoric.
>
>
> A Rare Moment of Honesty
>
> For example, government spending and bureaucracy have exploded in
the last
> five years. Your party has increased federal spending by almost
40% since 2001.
> Because revenues have not kept pace with rampant government
spending, we’ve
> been forced to borrow the money from other countries �" most
notably China. This
> mortgaging of our future will very likely have dire consequences
on our “way
> of life” unless we reverse this trend as soon as possible.
>
> I know you hate Bill Clinton (and I’ll be the first to admit
that even though
> I liked him, he had his faults), but the simple fact is that the
federal
> government was running a healthy surplus in the last couple of
years of his
> presidency. There was even rampant discussion on how quickly we
would end up erasing
> the federal debt altogether. That talk has all but vanished, as
the deficit
> continues to balloon. Since George Bush became president, the
share of the
> federal debt has grown by approximately $6,000 for every person
living in this
> country �" and it continues to grow every day!
>
> After September 11, 2001, we correctly invaded Afghanistan to
strike back at
> those who attacked us. Before we could finish the job, however, we
pulled out
> a majority of resources in that effort to attack a country that
was never a
> real threat to us. The leaders of your party used flimsy (and
sometimes just
> plain fabricated) evidence to justify this effort. Three years,
$200 billion and
> almost 2,000 American deaths later, we are no closer to capturing
or killing
> the people directly behind the initial attack against us.
Furthermore, our
> standing in the world community has sunk to an all-time low.
>
> In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, your government waited far too
long to
> react and help those most in need. Only later was it discovered
that the director
> of FEMA was ill-equipped to handle the responsibility of his job.
In fact, he
> really had no business holding his position in the first place,
other than
> that he was a friend of a friend of the president.
>
> Your House Majority leader is under multiple indictments for
misuse of
> campaign money. Your Senate Majority Leader is under investigation
for shady stock
> dealings. Members of the President’s and Vice President’s
staff are likely to
> be indicted for knowingly outing a CIA operative, possibly
weakening our
> national security �" all for a political vendetta.
>
> It must be hard for you to continue to be a cheerleader for a
party that has
> clearly used you for its own gain, only to abandon you when it
comes time to
> stand up for the things you embrace. I don’t expect you to
necessarily come
> over to our side (although you’re always welcome), but we’d
stand behind your
> efforts to take your own party back if you so choose. Your party
has been
> hijacked by people who seem only to be interested in serving their
own needs.
>
> We’re going to continue to work hard on our side to try and get
decent people
> into elected offices. We hope you do the same in good faith. Only
when we get
> people from all stripes into public office whose only goal is to
debate how
> to make America a better place will we ever get back on the path
to an even,
> intelligent public discourse.
>
> Yes, we all have our differences on how to best address things
like crime,
> abortion, gay rights, fair taxation, etc. Let’s address these
things like adults
> and at least determine where we have common ground! Name-calling
and finger
> pointing can be fun, but in the end it accomplishes little more
than to make us
> dislike each other, as well as to harden our opinions. Join us in
the effort
> to rid the country of those who have exploited you for too long.
Stay
> Republican if you must, but get some better representation for
yourselves! We know you
> can do better than this. We’ll do what we can to do the same
here on our end,
> in good faith.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Staff at The Blue Republic
> -------------
>
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I then got this response:



Holy crap Mike .... what are you trying to do give me a heart attack?

Mike can you explain a workable plan for troop withdrawl that does
not make America look bad? What is going to happen to America's
standing in the world if we "cut and run"?

Sure would like to hear a single idea from the democratic party.
You are part of a party of whiners and rock-throwers. You guys may
have a standing, if you came up with viable and workable solutions.

Let's hear 'em --- instead of the typical drivel that comes from
the libs.

Mark

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Is it me or are the rethugs getting kind of whiny??

Driver8

I'd suggest that they check with ideas of getting out of Iraq that I've seen here or check with Cindy Sheehan's ideas about it-she spoke quite forcefully on the issue on AAR yesterday. Of course, they won't agree with any of them. So I'd suggest to them that they look at history, namely what happened in Viet Nam, and ask them if we aren't heading for the same sort of debacle-so why wait until 50,000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died?

We have a Republican President, Senate and Congress; what was THEIR idea in getting out of this fiasco? Why do WE have to come up with solutions to clean up YOUR mess?

Please respond to this moran...

:argh:

Imagine a restaurant that tells customers who complain to either shut up or give them the "SOLUTION" to improve their filthy kitchen and their bad food - I mean exact details as to sanitary regime, repertoire, recipes, what to buy, what to cook, who to hire, how to cook it.

Imagine a concert that tells customers who complain to either shut up or give them the "SOLUTION" to improve their lousy band and stinking music.

They're fucking INCOMPETENT. Fuck them.

Bu$h, his gangster cabal, and his idiot supporters will bear the full responsibility.

Tell your idiot friend to join the Army and go to Iraq if he's so worried about it.

Instead of addressing the myriad points you raised, he basically responded with "Well how do you think we should fix it?"

I don't know, Mark, how about we first get rid of the assholes who got us into this mess?

Repeating the nonsense that "Democrats have no ideas" is a little tired. Dems (and Repubs, even) have proposed ideas for withdrawal, for the economy, and for a more efficient government.

Also, I'd like ask Mark what he thinks "America's standing in the world" really is, and how he thinks it can get much worse. LOL.

desperate...

Make the Iraq effort truly international, hold a summit on how to clean it up, and then put the contracts out for bid, international companies welcome.

As long as Iraqis think we want to profit from this war, we will never accomplish any worthwhile objective.

He put out his own plan as did Clark.

..great ideas for years.
Everytime the Repugs hear them, they think:
"Ah..will it help my "Base?" (the rich)..will it make ME more popular?.. and the idea DID came from a Democrat....so..NAW!!"

Fuck um..Fuck um all and their Lies...

of hearing about "our STANDING in the world."

Hey FREEPS! I got news for ya! Our STANDING in the world has been eroding ever since Vietnam! We no longer have STANDING. We lost that when we decided to invade a country that posed no threat to us!

Our support for death squads in Central America, our meddling in things that don't concern this country, our unconditional support for "an enemy of my enemy is my friend...."

Every civilized country in the world HATES US. Even our own allies refuse to back our actions now.

I think most of the people in the world would now have more respect for us if we get the hell out of Iraq, admit we made a mistake, and become isolationist- tightening our borders, and stopping meddling in shit that doesn't concern us. But that'll never happen because we have a bunch of oil-hungry imperialist assholes in charge.

fsc

What kind of moronic argument is that? The problem is that the neocons have painted us into a corner from which there IS NO clean exit. Many of us were pointing this out AS THEY WERE DOING IT, and shit heads like that guy were telling us to shut-up.

Step 1 is to remove the criminals and marginalize their idiot followers.

"What is going to happen to America's standing in the world if we "cut and run"?"

Why is everyone so short-sighted and arrogant as to believe we are the only ones capable of policing Iraq? If we hadn't gone against our allies' wishes in the first place and rushed into this war, the justification for which we now know to be a lie, we wouldn't be bearing the brunt of the responsibility in the first place. However, that doesn't mean we can't be responsible now by pulling out our troops and asking the UN to take over on the ground, while we continue to support their efforts in other ways. What simple-minded thought process can't see any alternatives to either having troops there or fleeing? Are all republicans mentally three years old? Would you like juice or milk? Exert some cognitive ability, for Christ's sake.

"Sure would like to hear a single idea from the democratic party."

You won't hear them until you start listening. Average citizens won't hear them until the media starts covering them. Neither of these are the fault of Democrats, who are offering ideas every day. Thanks for admitting you're not paying attention, though.

"You are part of a party of whiners and rock-throwers."

You understand irony! That's wonderful! You can think!

"You guys may have a standing, if you came up with viable and workable solutions."

You mean, if we came up with viable and workable solutions that you approved of. We constantly come up with viable and workable solutions that you out-of-hand dismiss. Well, your party has had its chance. Enjoy the next few years, because as republicans are being shown to be incompetent nepostistic criminals willing to commit treason and lie about it, this will be the last presidency you'll have for quite a long time.

:rofl: