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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:34 AM
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Frank Rich: Karl and Scooter's Excellent Adventure (10/23 column)
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 12:38 AM by highplainsdem
http://cyphering.blogspot.com/2005/10/its-just-game-right.html


The New York Times
October 23, 2005
Op-Ed Columnist
Karl and Scooter's Excellent Adventure
By FRANK RICH

THERE were no weapons of mass destruction. There was no collaboration between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda on 9/11. There was scant Pentagon planning for securing the peace should bad stuff happen after America invaded. Why, exactly, did we go to war in Iraq?

"It still isn't possible to be sure - and this remains the most remarkable thing about the Iraq war," writes the New Yorker journalist George Packer, a disenchanted liberal supporter of the invasion, in his essential new book, "The Assassins' Gate: America in Iraq." Even a former Bush administration State Department official who was present at the war's creation, Richard Haass, tells Mr. Packer that he expects to go to his grave "not knowing the answer."

Maybe. But the leak investigation now reaching its climax in Washington continues to offer big clues. We don't yet know whether Lewis (Scooter) Libby or Karl Rove has committed a crime, but the more we learn about their desperate efforts to take down a bit player like Joseph Wilson, the more we learn about the real secret they wanted to protect: the "why" of the war.

To piece that story together, you have to follow each man's history before the invasion of Iraq - before anyone had ever heard of Valerie Plame Wilson, let alone leaked her identity as a C.I.A. officer. It is not an accident that Mr. Libby's and Mr. Rove's very different trajectories - one of a Washington policy intellectual, the other of a Texas political operative - would collide before Patrick Fitzgerald's grand jury. They are very different men who play very different White House roles, but they are bound together now by the sordid shared past that the Wilson affair has exposed.

<snip -- you can find the full text on that web page>



Another great column by Rich, bringing up what Wilkerson said about the "cabal," and pointing out that Joseph Wilson "scared them silly."
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:37 AM
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1. kick
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:00 AM
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2. Thanks for the article.
Let us hope that "cabal" has their day next week.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:03 AM
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5. You're welcome!
And yes, we need to see that cabal indicted before they do any more damage to this country and others.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:28 AM
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3. here's a useful tip I got from someone here on DU
If you don't want to pay for a subscription to the NY Times for the editorials, check your local library's website to see whether they subscribe to the online version. Unfortunately my library can no longer afford to (the bond issue failed by about 30 votes--what a heartbreaker that was!)--but our library is dead broke so we're the exception; most libraries do get the Times.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:21 AM
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7. Truthout is an excellent source for some of the NYT's articles. Here's
their link for today's Rich's column.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102305Z.shtml
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 06:58 AM
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4. It always seemed like a 'Bush on a White Horse' thing.
He had to get in to office the right way once any how. We have just to many men running things that do not care for this country but for them selfs. Like Stevens of Alaska. We need NO 'a bridge to know where'. I think that the Federalist papers went into how this country would fail and this is one of the reasons. Men who do not care for our country running it into the ground.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:14 AM
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6. Frank Rich nails it
This is the definitive paragraph:

"For Mr. Rove and Mr. Bush to get what they wanted most, slam-dunk midterm election victories, and for Mr. Libby and Mr. Cheney to get what they wanted most, a war in Iraq for reasons predating 9/11, their real whys for going to war had to be replaced by fictional, more salable ones. We wouldn't be invading Iraq to further Rovian domestic politics or neocon ideology; we'd be doing so instead because there was a direct connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda and because Saddam was on the verge of attacking America with nuclear weapons. The facts and intelligence had to be fixed to create these whys; any contradictory evidence had to be dismissed or suppressed."

I'm e-mailing this column to everyone I know.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:46 AM
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8. That's what I cannot understand
From the article in the OP:

"But based on what we know about Mr. Libby's and Mr. Rove's hysterical over-response to Mr. Wilson's accusation, he scared them silly. He did so because they had something to hide. Should Mr. Libby and Mr. Rove have lied to investigators or a grand jury in their panic, Mr. Fitzgerald will bring charges. But that crime would seem a misdemeanor next to the fables that they and their bosses fed the nation and the world as the whys for invading Iraq."


Why would Scooter and Rove become scared of Wilson to the point of outing Wilson's wife. Both these guys are cold operators, I doubt anything Wilson could have said would have mattered to the Rove 'spin machine' pumping out propaganda, so why get excited?

I don't think 'retribution' accounts for this overreaction either.

There is something else in the Plame and the cover company Brewsters and Jennings being worked on that needed to be killed. What could it be?

I think Cheney and Bu$h are deep into the outing too. However the point of lying to start a war shouldn't matter to them, again Rove's machine was blowing full blast. So it wasn't the lies themselves that spooked them. Something else did.

So many questions. There is something much darker at the heart of this. Something that will be a disaster for all of them if it gets out.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:36 PM
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11. What do you think it is?
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:31 PM
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12. I don't know, and I don't think it can be found using google
But just speculating, suppose all this stuff with Plame/Wilson was a ruse, a plausible reason to set-up the real target, Brewsters and Jennings. After all it was Cheney that sent Wilson to Niger to verify the claims of the forged document. Now why would Cheney do this is if already knew it was phony. He had to know it was phony because their network, Cheney/Rumsfield/Rove(Ledeen) set-up that document to flow through Italy and on to British intelligence to be given to them by the Brits. Of course they knew it was phony, so why send Wilson to verify it, unless they wanted to bust Plame, Brewsters and Jennings all along.

Look what happened after all of this. Shortly later Bu$h places Peter Goss over the CIA and they dump Tenet. OK, what does Goss do? What is his function in this? Maybe they are still looking for any residual left over from blowing Brewster and Jennings out of the water. Goss is there to flush the toilet so to speak.

Then there is Baker making a trip to the Isle of Man. There is a company there with Bu$hs fingerprints all over it, 5 Diamonds I think it's called. Incidentally, there is something like a 3 Diamonds(my memory is fuzzy on this name) that Ledeen was using to pipeline cash on some stuff going on in Africa and the Iran-Contra stuff. Anyway, Baker is Bu$h's legal eagle, this guy pops-up all over the place whenever money is moving. Now the deal is, with Iraq there is a lot of cash that has just disappeared. Maybe it went to 5 Diamonds and from there to Florida to be laundered through highway toll system, through contractors and back to the RNC via guys like DeLay/Noe/Wu/Reed and probably a bunch more. As such, in addition to the oil, the Iraq war is also about an election cash cow the Republicans are using. In other words, for the RNC their expenses have been 'socialized' by this war. Whenever Congress votes money for the Iraq war, its also voting money for the RNC.

Maybe Brewsters and Jennings operators were sniffing out a underground cash flow feeding all these guys. And if this information surfaced, this would have destroyed all the plans these Neocons have been working on for the last 20 years, plus it would have exposed the entire network.

Anyway, all this is speculation and I doubt the tracks for this hypothetical scenario would be right out in the open on the net.

I think something like this, if it were to come out would make every Republican sphincter tighten-up. Yep, that would dynamite that party forever. It would be the end for them.

But all this is speculation.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:12 PM
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13. I do not pretend to understand all the details, but a money trail
makes a lot of sense with the repugs.
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:38 PM
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14. Your speculation shows a thinking mind and "follow the money" is
always the key to any crime of this kind.

Because of all of the layers of deceit and duplicity, I wonder if it is possible to EVER get to the core or to the bottom of this corruption? And I seriously would not be surprised in the end to find some of our beloved Dem leaders involved at some level also - otherwise there is absolutely NO REASON for their CONTINUED SILENCE.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:11 PM
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9. kick
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:31 PM
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10. But the "war" was not Karl's or Scooter's idea...
It was the idea of the mentally ill, megalomaniacal president who had stated years ago that a war was the way for a president to attain "greatness". But in his warped mind, he thought war was a matter of choice by the president, not a matter of necessity. Sick puppy.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:58 PM
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15. What is this happy crappy from Packer and Haass?
"Can't be sure" why we went to war in Iraq. We won't know the answer for years, if ever. What a load of horseshit. We were marching in the streets, screaming into their insipid, monkey faces why the corrupt Bush administration wanted to invade Iraq back in 2002 and 2003, and we've been telling them for years since then.

But I guess when a man's paycheck depends on him not seeing something, you can be damn sure he isn't going to see it. The key to both men's ignorance is that they supported the initial invasion, knew precisely what it was all about, and now that it's blown up in their faces (as we told them it would), they have to pretend that they can't for the life of them figure out why we went to war in Iraq.

Assholes. Murderous, duplicitous assholes both.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:09 PM
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16. RICH ON MTP TODAY WAS WONDERFUL..
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 05:10 PM by flyarm
and his article even better...i offered to marry him this morning..and i am taking first dibbies!!

he wasn't nice about nyt either and especially judy judy judy!!




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fly
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:58 AM
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17. thank you n/t (& kickin')
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