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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:48 AM
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How do I make sense out of what makes no sense? (Toledo riots)
I've been thinking about the Toledo, Ohio riots recently, saw a number of "explanations" of why they happened.

One commentator blamed the neo-nazis, but they were already gone.
Another (white moran on Fox, naturally,) blamed "gangbangers in their gang colors" even though no "gangbanger clothes" were seen.
Another guy on MSNBC blamed "the mob mentality." (Whatever that is, since even the commentator didn't know.)

I don't live in Toledo, so I don't know what it's like to live there.
So why did the riot occur? Wish I knew.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:49 AM
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1. Some thugs saw it as an opportunity ..

...to raise hell? Happens everywhere.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:53 AM
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3. There's more to it than that.
There must be.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:46 PM
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8. Like what?

I'm all ears. You think some outsiders came in to do damage? It's possible I guess, but do you have any reason to think this? Has anyone made these claims?
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Steepler0t Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:52 AM
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2. A video from a rioter
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/toledomovie.wmv

It does not explain anything but it's another view of the events from the street.

Seems the locals were very upset at the "law".
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:54 AM
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4. Anger.
I'm angry and I don't know what I would do in a group where everyone is angry and there appears to be no justice. I've been angry since watching Katrina... and watching Katrina. That Friday I was absolutely freaked out, hysterical, but silently because I had to be at work.

Someone snuck a Katrina plea for help in my groups email address (I work for a corp, so it had thousands of email addresses). They were BEGGING for help. I recieved it on Thursday. Friday there was an "official" email saying they would donate a million and match a million to Red Cross.

I am no where NEAR NOLA. I am still angry.
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:10 AM
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5. What else has been going on in Toledo lately?
Oh, some Republican operative named Noe diverted public money through his rare coin "business", helping to run the Republican governor's already lousy approval numbers to record lows. Republican corruption in Ohio threatens to destroy their little political play for pay house. The Toledo paper is crusading against them right now. Faux News tried to hype the "rioting" and "gangs", I suspect, as a way to rally the fascist Republicans out of their doldrums.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:13 AM
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6. Mean white racists on mean streets?
Violence is just beneath the surface on the mean streets ready to break out at any time. It is usually random and senseless in nature, theft of someones' crack or twenty dollars for crack results in a murder or aggravated battery. Some strung out addict bursts into a convenience store with a straight razor. The only pattern is usually the economy of illegal drugs and anger. Sometimes, a small group of the angry people without a future just literally beat some loudmouthed drunk, homeless or mentally ill person to death. It can happen at any time because the rank and file are not regularly employed.

The presence of racists in the community gave the angry people a cause to go violent. This group violence is always a potential. Riots could easily break out nationwide in our urban areas with the right combination of events.

I view the courthouses in these communities as armed Forts presiding over gulag communities. The drug economy represents opportunity and enslavement to those without economic hope.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:58 AM
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7. You know what pisses me off about the media coverage on this
Is that when they mention the word "gangs", it is only to describe groups of black people.

Nobody dares calls the Nazis a gang, but that is exactly what they are, marching around in their high boots and uniforms and shaved heads, waving around the swastika.

This was a gang of white supremacists that was allowed to march into a neighborhood, in a state where they were not from, and taunt its citizens. Do you think the Bloods and Crips would be allowed to do the same in Beverly Hills?

This is another example of media bias, no different than black people "looting" and white people "finding".

And everybody is talking about the nazi's constitutional right to march, but where do we draw the line? This is a group based on hate, inspired by Hitler.

When the Nazis marched into Paris in WW II, allied troops stormed Normandy on D-Day to win Paris back. Did we do that to allow the Nazis to march into Toledo sixty years later?

When does the right to demonstrate impede upon the right for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? When does it cross the line and become racial harassment?

Tensions are already running high in America’s black neighborhoods since Katrina, which proved to the world that race relationships in this country have not progressed as much as we like to tell ourselves.

After Katrina, we saw what black people in this country have known for decades; that the life of a black person is worth less than the life of a white person.

Then you get a gang of Nazis marching into Toledo taunting its black citizens about “white power” and waving swastikas. And this is done with the approval of city officials under the protection of the police.

And everybody just expects the black people to just laugh it off, or to take the higher ground and not respond, just go on with your daily routine, don’t mind the Nazis marching through your neighborhood.

Most of the black people who threw rocks and bottles and engaged in violence were young men in their teens and twenties. For those of us who have reached 30 and beyond, we all know that “rational thinking” comes with age and experience. We all know young people, regardless of sex, race or ethnicity, are prone to impulsive behavior.

I’m sure a lot of these rioters were actual criminals with records. Hell, they might have even belonged to a “gang”. But I’m sure there were others that got caught up in the mob mentality because they were angry and tired of being second-rate citizens.

And I'm afraid Toledo was the beginning of more to come in this country.









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