Will Vermont secede from the U.S?

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Jumping From the Sinking Ship of Empire: Vermonters Move to Secede From USA

James Howard Kunstler, author of the book about Peak Oil The Long Emergency, will be the keynote speaker at The Vermont Convention on Independence to be held in the House Chamber of the State House in Montpelier, VT on Friday, October 28th, 2005. Sponsored by the Second Vermont Republic, the convention, which will begin at 9 am and conclude at 5 pm, is open to the public and free of charge. This historic event will be the first statewide convention on secession in the United States since North Carolina voted to secede from the Union on May 20, 1861.


Organizers of the convention say it has two objectives: First, to raise the level of awareness of Vermonters of the feasibility of independence as a viable alternative to a nation which has lost its moral authority and is unsustainable. And second, to provide an example and a process for other states and nations which may be seriously considering separatism, secession, independence, and similar devolutionary strategies. The Second Vermont Republic describes itself as "a peaceful, democratic, grassroots, libertarian populist movement committed to the return of Vermont to its status as an independent republic as it once was between 1777 and 1791."

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to carry a concealed weapon. Reason enough for me to move there.

Now in states with cities - or at least the cities themselves - it is imperative that the massive number of criminals within the city not be allowed to carry too easily. Even with VERY strick 1 year mandatory laws in Mass there was a bit of harassment by punk gun owners when I lived there.

I think they've been trying to do this for years.

Great blog, thanks for posting.

I want to live in Vermont!

They just increased min wage there from $7 to $7.25 an hour.

Maybe I could get a job cutting firewood. There is going to be a big market for the stuff all this winter.

California, Washington, and Oregon would make a terrific country.

But I have no love lost for California.

I mean - they elected TWO movie stars as governors. And the traffic sucks, too. :hi:

The ideal country would be "Cascadia," i.e., Washington, Oregon, NORTHERN California and Vancouver B.C. This would be a FABULOUS country!

We're primarily liberal and Democratic, and we for damn sure don't want to stay with the whackos.

are pretty typical of the rest of the red intermountain empty lands.

You mean like the Antelope Valley? I live there - it used to be red. That's not the case anymore. :)

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

With the whole state, Pacifica would automatically be the world's fifth largest economy.

Let's all move to Vermont!

...the six BRAZILLION people storming the gates to become new Vermont citizens!


(I plan to be among them. And I call dibs on being first in line. Neener neener neener!)

like.

if it's anything like the little l libertarians i know:
PROS
1) legal pot

CONS
1) no social safety net whatsoever
2) corporations unfettered by any govt control, environmental or otherwise

CONS
1) no social safety net whatsoever
2) corporations unfettered by any govt control, environmental or otherwise

That would be New Hampshire, not Vermont. They are really big on
protecting the environment in the GREEN MOUNTAIN state.

PROS
Legal Pot

Did I mention that it's the GREEN Mountain State?

My husband and all his relatives are in NH. Father-in-law is one of those little "L" Libertarians.

They call VT "the people's republic of VT." :eyes:

the 'free-staters' aren't going to make it here-
We might be stone faced, but we aren't stone hearted.
And believe it or not, many,many NH folks care about the environment.
We kept seabrook offline alot longer than anyone would have ever thought- Not so Vermont Yankee in Vt.

I suggest we take Vt. N.H. and Me. and bond with Canada-

Killington has officially asked to secede to N.H.- citing too many restrictions. Sadly, I wholeheartedly approve of a sales, income or both tax by the state of NH, because our lack of any is attracting the kind of folks we DON't need- those who value money, and 'things' above people.

I think we'll be seeing a LOT more of this, as the interminable nightmare drones on.

for cali we need to get rid of our current ahem governor

If it means a few people grousing around on the internets, that's not big.

When the state militia is willing to fight the federal army for secession, that's big.

It's not a "few people grousing on the internet" anymore. The "Free the Bear" people, for instance, have an actual, physical headquarters.

The discussion isn't about violent secession but a peaceful and political process.

I guess they've had enough after 50-something years.

http://www.akip.org/index.html

as long as they do it before we write the checks for those bridges.

:thumbsup:

and moving there, its just a question of the snow. Washington and Oregon are also on the list they seem fairly progressive.
Also toyed with the idea of Vancouver, BC

We wouldn't even have to change our flag:

Red states always crapping about the east coast elites, and Northeast liberals...like to see them function without the money they pump into the federal gov't.

I say we abandon the lot of them, call ourselves Real USA, and tell the Christocrats to eat their Bibles.

I'm all for it.

no offense but what exactly does anyone do up there?

i guess i'm still ticked by all the yankees not wanting to re build louisiana when we DO serve a purpose -- port, oil, refining, etc.

i would love to see some "independent" vermont try to make it on its own, it's ridiculous on the face of it

I think it could open the door to a lot of "yankees" who are fed up with paying more to the federal govt than we get back, while other states get a free ride. Yet we are constantly being insulted about our lack of morals, among other ridiculous things. Personally I love New Orleans & I wish my tax dollars would be going ( and you can bet they will be going) to someone I trust to rebuild it, then to Halliburton. I fear, the looting has just begin with bush's buddies in charge.

I wish you luck, in New York we were also promised money from bush, which never came, and its been 4 years. I'm surprised that you think "yankees" don't want to help...if anyone has been dissing Louisana, it's been republicans. Either way, I wish you the best.

Any resources, goods, and services it couldn't immediately provide within its own borders could be supplied by international trade. Freed from the constraints of a Republican government in Washington, DC, it could realize its full potential.

Of course this could be said of any state whose electorate would choose a left-of-center government. Clearly the best option would be for all 50 states to stay together and elect and demand a competant federal government.

Don't let your animosity towards wingnuts who don't want to rebuild the Gulf Coast cloud your judgement. If it was solely Vermonters who chose our elected officials at the federal level, you'd be in a lot better fuckin' shape than you are now.

Interesting.

By the way, my ancestor was a Whig in the NC legislature and he had the votes NOT to seceed. However, when they fired on Sumter in SC, the votes fell apart due to the fact both Va and SC had seceeded and we would have been surrounded.

I guess I'll wait to see what happens with Fitz and the investigation first.