Are the 'sheeple' going to be taken by surprise by the indictments?

When I say 'sheeple', I guess I am referring to the people who barely ever see the headlines - who don't get the paper, whose idea of a news magazine is 'People', who may watch the local 6pm news but barely pay attention unless it's about, say, a missing blond girl.

Obviously the freepers and ditto-heads are aware of the situation, and they are at least aware that indictments are on the horizon and that, conceivably, some high level folks could be going to jail.

But I get the sneaking suspicion that a vast majority of Americans have no idea at how serious this is, and how inevitable it is becoming, and that some serious shit is most likely to hit the fan...Even if they know that 'some WH staff is in trouble' or that 'some CIA agent got outed', do they grasp what is happening? Do they understand what an important moment this is?

I live in a bit of a bubble in a way, in that my family, coworkers and friends are almost entirely liberal and politically aware.

Is this gonna shock the pants off this country?

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can't wait. Come on Fitzy!!

But some will start to realize that they haven't been paying enough attention. And some will simply go along with a perceived tide. Republicans are exactly right to be worried about this: Spin gets no traction when you lose credibility.

they STILL believe that the media is left wing....i was like take a look at CNN, MSNBC and of course FOX (which was the only one they agreed on). What a bunch of dipshits.

fundie friends. Working on my wife who claims she is neutral. The jury is still out on the wife. Purge yourself of all of your brain washed Fundie friends and you will have a much better life.

been debating this for a long time

that used to happen during Thanksgiving and XMAS with her Fundie side over political issues. One of the debates sent her home crying because me and her father got into a heated debate over Medicare and how the right just hates social programs.

except most of the USA but from memory that what happened in Watergate. Started off small and you know the rest.

to war...no yawn.

The only people yawning will be those pretending to yawn while holding their ears.

will surprise me.

That the people will be so confused about what's going on they won't care and it will totally unaffect bush.

it'll be a brand new world.

in DC does anyway. Only after hearings are underway will Pubs have to admit their guys screwed up!

Think back to the Nixon days. They all said it was all BS, until lots of people started going to jail! Hell, some Pubs STILL think Nixon did nothing wrong!

When they hear that "so-and-so high-ranking official" within the Bush Administration has been indicted, their emotions will range from, "all politicians are crooks" to "and what does this do to my alleged tax cut."

That's how sheeple react to big news.

sorry, but i have a bad feeling about this. if rove gets off, we're back to square one. he needs to be neutralized. what was that quote by henry viii about thomas more (a man for all seasons). . . 'will no one rid me of this man?' . . . or something to that effect.

ellen fl

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not to see what is on the horizon.

I went to get coffee the other day, and there was a couple sitting together discussion politics, particular the indictments. I commented to them on the way out. I got a smile and big thumbs up.
Point being, you can't go anywhere and not hear talk about what is going down.

There are a few people who are vaguely aware of an investigation regarding the outing of a CIA agent. But it is not widely discussed and it is not getting much media attention.

The fundie preachers aren't talking about it so the only issues of importance here are abortion, gay marriage and freedom of religious expression. And, of course, furthering one's own personal consumption and greed.

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you would have to be a true idiot...

I am reminded of something I read here once:

Think of how dumb the average american is. Then think about the fact that half of america is even dumber than that!

:P

Sort of a mean generalization, I know, but when it comes to semi-complicated political shit like this, I think it is truer than not...

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I saw him yesterday and we were talking. I mentioned Plame, 22 possible indictments, etc. he has been busy and had not followed the news closely. He was absolutely dumbfounded. I told him to go to Fitzpatricks website. We discussed a mutual friend who was hurt in Iraq and such. I sensed he too believes this war is a waste of lives for no good reason. Both of us grew up together and often discussed politics, he was always eager to get my take on things. I was surprised he wasn't totally aware of Wilson, yellowcake, etc. He was always intrigued by Watergate and after our discussion he agreed that this could be worse. I invited him to an indictment party where we could discuss things further. His conclusion is now that the coverup (conspiricy) will be the total undoing of this administration. He shocked me when he said Clinton lied about a blow job which didn't kill people. With all these lies, people have died.

So yes there is a lot of eye opening going on and some people will be blown away by the news.

for them being broadsided with this, if the media had not been playing the whore and actually doing their jobs, this would have never happened. They played a part in leading this country to war based on lies.

Of course there are those that were born sucking the kool-aid and will never believe that their beloved leader would ever surround himself with corruption...damn liberal media...then there are those that will say it is all God's plan to speed the endtimes, that Ol' Georgie is just God's tool.

going on, they will be outraged. :eyes:

... by watching the BushBaby's poll numbers dropping slowly; it means that people are, one by one, realizing what this Admin is all about and what they're really doing to our country.

For each former Bush supporter, there was a 'straw' that broke the back of their support for this regime. For some, it was the growing number of casualties in Iraq and the obvious lack of progress there. For some, it was the exposure of Bush's 'I can keep America safe' lie in the aftermath of the Katrina debacle. For some, it is the ongoing picking of their pockets, through increasing gas prices, etc.

The point is that once these people turn away from Bush, there is no going back -- all of the photo-ops in the world won't move those people who have decided they've had enough.

Yes, there are sheeple out there who haven't been paying close attention, and they will be shocked and awed (if I may use the phrase). There will be disbelief, followed by outrage, followed by a renewed interest in what's been going on for the past four-plus years.

The outcome of Fitzgerald's investigation will be the biggest STRAW that's ever come down the pike, and it's going to BREAK a lot of sheeples' backs when it hits.

I think for the people who are politically clueless and vaguely pro-Bush, this could very well be the straw you are referring to.

Sometimes I think that the 35-40% or whatever who still give him a favorable rating are these rabid, stubborn bushbots who would still support him if he were caught with a dead naked 8 yr old boy in his office. But really, that number could be more like 15-20%, and these remaining 20% are just completely politically ignorant. And this could be so HUGH!!11! (e.g. if Cheney were to resign, oh a girl can dream...) that even these people who avoid politics (why dirty their pretty little minds?) won't be able to ignore it, and many of them could very well wake up to all of the corruption and lying and destruction wreaked by bushco!

I like the way you think!

:thumbsup:

I live in Toronto, Canada, and my husband and I were at a birthday bash for a friend last night. We were the only Americans there -- but everyone was commenting on Fitzmas, etc.

I also have several friends here who are from places like Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Great Britain -- the list goes on and on -- who watch newscasts from their home countries via satellite. As soon as I see them, they get into a discussion about what's going on, and will this be the end of the Bush Regime?

Be assured that while too many sheeple are not paying attention, the WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING!

have instinctually sensed that something isn't quite right in the background. When they repeatedly hear "LIES...LIES...LIES" screaming at them everywhere they turn, the lightbulb will go off in their heads. NOBODY likes being on the receiving end of intentional, carefully orchestrated lies because NOBODY likes playing the role of Chump! They'll be pissed in a major way...and the outrage will reach a roaring crescendo when they realize that they're financially suffering while paying for someone else's folly.

Eventually it's going to sink in with a lot of sheeple that the prices they're paying at the pump, along with everything else they're now expeced to foot the bill for, are all due to the VERY REGIME they've supported all along.

If you think we Dems are pissed at what's been happening, imagine the ire of the duped when they finally get the message!!!

I still talk to people who don't know ANYTHING about treasongate.

I was talknig to a firend who exemplifies the what is the matter with kansas? He said that he does not pay attention to politics whatsoever, he didn't even know there are indictments looming

But boy he had the talkng points down, even if he does not watch fox... no, not the indictments points, but the why we are in Iraq points.

So people like him, if they even realize that has happeend, they just may.. but he will continue to vote Repub, never mind all he wants is what the Progressive Dems are fighitng for... the power of propaganda

I remember shortly before the 1000 landmark someone did an informal survey of people asking them how many soldiers they thought died in the war and their guesses were woefully low. A lot of people are paying so little attention to this war... :(

a turn-off. Hopefully, the Democrats will be smart enough to not respond to the politics thing and will stick to the high treason thing.

They can't do much shopping anymore, so they might notice.

will be shocked or not.I think most people have lowered the bar so much in what think they can really expect from these guys that nothing surprises them.I for one can't wait to ask my friends who drooled over the Clinton impeachment when we can expect the righteous indignation followed by impeachment proceedings.I mean,perjury is perjury no matter who's doing the lying,right?

Unless, of course, they indict the Pres or Veep.