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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:11 PM
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All Roads Lead to PNAC (Deep Background to Fitz Saga)
With indictments due this week, those not familiar with PNAC might want to know how/why we came to this historic moment in time.


George W. Bush constantly reminds the nation about the threat of terrorism that began with 911 but he leaves out a few important details that you should know.........

In June 1997, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was born. Populated by influential Movers of industry and Shakers of public opinion, the PNAC is an organization united in the vision for a global U.S. empire - "Pax Americana" - through coercion and military domination. Their philosophy can be simply summarized:

  • There are countries to plunder and fortunes to be made. You have it, we want it. Do as we say or suffer the consequences.

  • The U.S. already has a powerful military but we plan to nurture and grow it until it's massive and we are indominable. Resistance is futile. We are.......


Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Steve Forbes, William J. Bennett, Frank Gaffney, and I. Lewis ("Scooter") Libby, signator's - among others - of the PNAC's "Statement of Principles".

"We need to...challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values."

"We need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future."

"It is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge."
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm


JANUARY 1998 - The PNAC knew that he who owns the oil also owns the world so they sent a letter to President Clinton urging him to attack Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein from power since he put "a significant portion of the world's supply of oil at hazard". Clinton didn't grant them their wish and the PNAC was disheartened that they couldn't manipulate the military while outside of the White House power structure.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm


MARCH - APRIL 1999 - In an effort to capture and control the castle and all its warriors and weapons, the PNAC offered up members Steve Forbes, Dan Quayle and Gary Bauer to run as Republican candidates in the upcoming Presidential election.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/election/profile.htm


JUNE 1999 - Ever persistent and determined to maximize their potential for success in the Presidential campaign, the PNAC exercised their power of nepotism and member-Jeb Bush's brother George stepped up to the plate to join the race.


SPRING 2000 - The PNAC may have felt confident with their candidate's chances for winning the White House but they were absolutely smug over what they saw as a possible Fallback Plan...electronic voting machines with severe security flaws that included hidden backdoors, erasable audit trails and multiple vote totals with the potential to propel vote tampering to new heights through the magic of remote access.

How To Rig An Election In The United States
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

Can the votes be changed?
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/access-diebold.htm

Bettter yet, Chuck Hagel - a fellow Republican loyalist - owned the ES&S voting machine company that counted 60% of all U.S. votes. He had already won one election and was part of the U.S. Senate power team in Washington.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm

Assured that the White House would soon be theirs, the PNAC debuted their 76-page blueprint to achieve world domination. "Rebuilding America's Defenses" became the PNAC's manifesto, detailing the ideal level of military power to specifically eliminate the hostile regimes of Iraq, Iran, Syria and North Korea and it endorsed pre-emptive strikes against them, tradition be damned. Iraq was given star billing as Control Central for their Mideast base of operations.

At present the United States faces no global rival. America’s grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible."

"American landpower is the essential link in the chain that translates U.S. military supremacy into American geopolitical preeminence.

"We cannot allow North Korea, Iran, Iraq or similar states to undermine American leadership."

"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

What is particularly foreboding and chilling in view of events to later unfold, is this statement bemoaning the lengthy process of rebuilding the existing U.S. military according to the heightened standards and specifications the PNAC aspired to.

...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."
http://cryptome.org/rad.htm


NOVEMBER 2000 - Saddam may have sensed an ill wind in the air when he made the first strike, turned his back on the U.S. Dollar and accepted only Euros as payment for his oil. This had the potential of seriously destabilizing the U.S. economy and the PNAC considered this an hostile act of aggression towards their personal and business interests. The heat was on for them to make their first move.

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2000/11/01112000160846.asp


DECEMBER 2000 - In a highly contentious Presidential vote battle on the home turf of PNAC-Jeb Bush, the Supreme Court decided that George Bush was the new President.

Bush now had the green light to seamlessly merge members of the PNAC into his Administration with no one the wiser. PNAC members elevated to the Bush hierarchy include, among others:


  • Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense

  • Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary of Defense

  • Elliott Abrams - Member of the National Security Council

  • John Bolton - Undersecretary for Arms Control and InternationalSecurity

  • Richard Perle - Chairman of the advisory Defense Policy Board

  • Richard Armitage - Deputy Secretary of State

  • John Bolton - Undersecretary of State for Disarmament

  • Zalmay Khalilzad - White House liaison to the Iraqi opposition


An Honorable Mention was awarded to Condoleezza Rice - National Security Advisor - who is a former oil-company consultant having been on the board of directors of Chevron as its main expert on Kazakhstan.

The PNAC agenda had now passed "Go". The most powerful military machine in the world stood at their ready and Saddam was in the crosshair.

Wasting no time, Cheney secretly assembled an advisory panel of oil and gas executives from Enron, Dynergy, Shell Oil, Chevron/Texaco and British Petroleum under the direction of James Baker (former Secretary of State under George Bush Sr.) to help shape our national energy policy and justify the PNAC's anticipated war with Iraq.

Contributing substantially to the task force discussions and recommendations was a shadowy group of unidentified observers who still remain unknown. Sheikh Saud Al Nasser Al Sabah, the former Kuwaiti oil minister, also made a contribution to the group's final report which was funded through Khalid Al-Turki (a Saudi Arabian oil and gas enterprise) and the Arthur Ross Foundation (a non-profit organization that - on the surface - appears to be a supporter of the Arts.)

http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/FraudinWhiteHouse.htm

MARCH 2001 - Cheney closely guarded the details surrounding his energy task force but documents released through the Freedom of Information Act reveal a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.”

http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml

As one internet poster pointed out:

"The Iraq map is not a map, it's a plan

"There are several areas marked 'earmarked for production sharing' (look at the map
legend), which means privatized oil fields. Iraq did not have privatized oil fields and
production sharing agreements before the US took it over.

"There are also parcels marked on the Iraq oil field and exploration map (numbered
'Block 1' through '9'). Iraq did not have an active, privatized oil exploration program
going on before it was conquered by the US.

"If you read the footnotes and entire contents of the other documents, there is a heavy
emphasis on business concerns, such as contracts and vendors over items one might
think would be more important in a government discussion, such as capacity, long term
reserves, etc...

"One footnote (in UAEOilProj.pdf) even contains investment advice for the participants
at the meeting, suggesting opportunities in downstream projects, such as power
desalination and pipeline projects.


"These are not 'just maps'. Read them."

It can be argued that the spoils of war were being doled out two years before Iraq once again became a household word. Perhaps this explains why Cheney worked so hard and so long to keep this information suppressed until Iraq was under U.S. military control...by then it would be too late for the public to object to the invasion.

Iraq, circa March 2001, painted a completely different picture than the Evil Empire the Bush Administrations tried to portray in their determined rush to war.

"Iraq was one of the more progressive Islamic countries in the region. It provided full
rights for women and public education for its citizens who enjoyed a decent standard
of living."

"Despite the years of bombings and the even greater toll on human life taken by the
sanctions, visitors to Baghdad don't see a city in ruins. Much of the wreckage has
been cleared away, much has been repaired.

"In our hotel, there's running water throughout the day, hot water in the morning.
Various streets in Baghdad are lined with little stores, surprisingly well-stocked with
household appliances, hardware goods, furniture, and clothes (much of which has a
second-hand look).

"We see no derelicts or homeless people on the streets, no prostitutes or ragged
bands of abandoned children, though there are occasional youngsters eager to
shine shoes or solicit spare change. But even they seem to be well-fed and decently
clothed. ......large swaths of the city used to be shrouded in complete darkness;
today, there are lights just about everywhere

"People used to feel hopelessly isolated and now there seems to be more hope and
better morale

Sadly though, "more and more children are turning up with leukemia" (a result of
the tons of depleted uranium the U.S. military used and left behind after Gulf War I.)

"The Iraqi leadership could turn US policy completely around by uttering just two
magic words: "free market." All they have to do is invite the International Monetary
Fund and World Bank into Iraq, eliminate free education and free medical care,
abolish the minimal food ration that goes to every Iraqi, abolish the housing
transportation subsidies, and hand over the country's oil industry to the corporate
cartels. To lift the sanctions, Iraq must surrender to the tender mercies of the
free-market paradise....

"Until then, Iraq will continue to be designated a "rogue nation" by those policy
makers in Washington who themselves are the meanest profit-driven, power-mongering
rogues on earth."
http://www.towardfreedom.com/2001/mar01/iraq.htm

The issue of trade sanctions against Iraq put the Bush Administration in a bind - the sanctions had been designed to punish Saddam for not conceding to U.S. demands but it ended up handicapping U.S. corporations and undermining the PNAC's drive for U.S. economic supremacy. The Bush Administration was on a tight four year schedule to oust Saddam and launch the PNAC's Grand Plan for World Domination but they still didn't have a viable script to sell to the public. Yet.

"It is important to shape circumstances...... ." - PNAC Statement of Principles


In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf.
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm

Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-091701scheer.column
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html

Meanwhile, the U.S. Embassy in the UAE received a call that Bin Laden supporters were in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives. It was rumored that Bin Laden was interested in hijacking U.S. aircraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf

In June 2001 the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense was changed. NORAD’s military commanders could no longer issue the command to launch fighter jets because approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary and PNAC-member, Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing7/for_the_record_ashley.pdf


In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the PNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked as Rumsfeld sat passive and unresponsive. The finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) agency was later linked to a 911 hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell. Pakistan's ISI also had a long-standing working relationship with the CIA.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=8830
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=1454238160
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1266317,00.html

The PNAC had scored a home run with the bases loaded with the 911 event: shock, horror and fear gripped the nation, the war on "terrorism" had been established in no uncertain terms, attacking Afghanistan with public approval was a foregone conclusion and the stage was set for building a public case against Saddam.

Not one to let a good attack go to waste, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld sprung into action.


  • He told his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq, even though Saddam wasn't linked to the attacks.

  • PNAC-James Woolsey, former CIA director, was dispatched to London to look for and 'firm up' evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 911 attacks.

  • PNAC-member and Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz was authorized to create the Office of Special Plans.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml


"It is important to shape circumstances..........."- PNAC Statement of Principles

The Office of Special Plans (OSP) was a secret group of analysts and policy advisors with no status in the intelligence community. Nevertheless they reported directly to the White House and National Security office with cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The OSP circumvented formal, well-established oversight procedures, ignored intelligence that didn't further their agenda, expanded the intelligence on weapons beyond what was justified and over-emphasized the national security risk. They became more influential than the C.I.A. or the Defense Intelligence Agency who didn't even know the ultra-secret OSP existed for at least a year.

Because they were based in the Pentagon, it was assumed that the OSP was an intelligence-gathering agency that was second-guessing the C.I.A. but in actuality it was the White House Military Marketing Machine charged with the task of writing the PNAC's "Get Saddam" sales pitch for the public. Shading and bending reality to suit their own purpose, it wasn't important for the OSP's stories about Saddam to be factual, only that the average American believed them to be - in true Hollywood fashion.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

While the nation was stripped to the emotional bone and painfully vulnerable, the White House capitalized on the opportunity to reshape public perceptions and responses to conform with the PNAC's new American agenda. Rather than buoy the "can do" American spirit with optimism and hope for the future as Presidents before him had done in times of crisis, Bush spoke with an alarmist and pessimistic tone that served to perpetuate the high anxiety, excitability and fear in the populace.

To hear him speak, the world was a dark, evil and dangerous place....terrorism was here to stay....it would be a long struggle....America was helpless without the military might of the Government to keep the nation safe. The intent was to create a psychologically broken, weary and docile populace that would be easier to lead into war.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/130534_focusecond13.html

Fear became the Administration's strategic tactic for reprogramming the public into accepting the PNAC's militaristic designs. Still shell-shocked and exhausted from the enormity of the WTC and Pentagon tragedies, the public's panic shifted into frenzied over-drive when anthrax-laced envelopes arrived in government and media offices, killing five people. A perpetrator was never identified but the investigation eventually centered around the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, one of the nation's main anthrax research centers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126244,00.html

Using classic "operant learning" techniques from the realm of consumer psychology, the public was purposely kept on High Alert and continually "shaped" with ominous sound bites on the nightly news and "Level Orange Terror Alerts" at regularly scheduled but discrete intervals.

http://www.consumerpsychologist.com/#Perception
In October 2001, with flags waving, crowds cheering, and anthems playing, the "War On Terror" and the hunt for Osama began when Afghanistan was attacked right on schedule of July's secret meeting

Immediately afterwards the PNAC and White House collaboration of "GET SADDAM" played relentlessly on televisions and in newspapers across the nation and the World as the "War on Terror" waged on and the litany of lies began.


The only terrorists we have to fear are those that occupy the White House.


IMPEACH BUSH NOW!





This has been a presentation of The Whispering Campaign - an opportunity to become ACTIVELY involved in educating the American public without drawing attention to yourself. This is a game of Political "Gossip" where the story of our Government's deception and betrayal gets passed from one person to another.

Anyone can play. The rules are simple: make ten copies of this timeline and leave it in a public place where someone else will find it and read it. Ideal locations for maximum exposure include book stores, copy shops, libraries and train stations. Buses, taxis, laundromats, and check-out lines at the grocery store. Hair salons, rest rooms, gas stations and convenience stores. Anywhere you happen to be will work just fine. The American public deserves to know the TRUTH!

On-line version of this document with clickable links:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/PNAC_101

Printable version:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php?title=PNAC_101&printable=yes


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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:22 PM
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1. Great, great recap.
Thanks for posting!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:26 PM
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2. Thanks for the post.
I wish there was a way to nail Kristol's ass to the wall!

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/23/thats-a-crime/

Peace.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:30 PM
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3. This is excellent, makes up for no Sunday Morning UnderstandingLife thread
which I was looking forward too.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:32 PM
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4. Thank you for posting.
Thank you for putting it all together

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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:35 PM
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5. Well done Luna...I don't recommend many but this is one
I must.Thanks for your time and effort.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:40 PM
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6. Kick and Nominate.
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:24 PM
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7. Otherwise known as “The Crazies”
If anyone wants to recap the interview with former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, it can be found here: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/17/1543215

I heard a speech by Ray McGovern during the election last year and he said he asked Bush senior to keep the crazies away from his son. Senior's response was something like: "Don't worry I won't let the crazies get to him."

Some of the crazies:
Elliott Abrams
Richard Armitage
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
John Bolton
Dick Cheney
Steve Forbes
Frank Gaffney
Zalmay Khalilzad
I. Lewis ("Scooter") Libby
Richard Perle
Dan Quayle
Condoleezza Rice
Karl Rove
Donald Rumsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz
James Woolsey

Bush just got sucked along for the ride.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 07:15 PM
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14. Riight...poor little innocent lamb W! His greed and bloodthirst have
nothing to do with all this. Maybe it wasn't him screaming in 2001: "F* Saddam, he's going down!" He's just one starry eyed idealist with a heart of gold"
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:49 AM
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26. He was talking about taking out Saddam in 1999
So Bush isn't innocent in this. He was talking about invading Iraq than and that "This is the man who tried to kill my dad." :eyes:
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:12 AM
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17. Full list of "crazies" at the WH
The PNAC tentacles have reached far and wide within the Bush* Administration...here's a full list with bios and current title/department:

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/charts/gwb-pnac.php
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:48 AM
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25. I think Bush is probably more involved than we think
Remember they're all about the PR with the public. So I think he's probably way more involved than he leads on or wants to. This way the Bush family name can still "be good" to the public for any future kids who want to "win" the presidency. So I don't buy this "he's just a puppet" nonsense. That's what they want you to think. If you've never seen the PBS documentary "Rumsfeld's War" you should. It shows me why he could never leave Bush and if he did he would have a lot on him with Iraq.
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:39 PM
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37. I truley believe that originaly Bush...
... was taken for a ride by the crazies.

And yes, it is true that he is fully involved now. He was to stupid to see it coming, was used and now he is in just as deep as them.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:32 PM
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8. Really great, thanks n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:36 PM
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9. Excellent recap. You should media blast your post.
.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:52 PM
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10. I media blasted when I first wrote it two years ago.
Nobody cared. Maybe I'll snail mail a copy to Fitz just for the hell of it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:54 PM
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11. These are different times. Back then media needed to keep Bush propped up.
Now, they're afraid to look complicit.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:02 PM
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12. Anyone so inclined is welcome to blast to your heart's content
I'm burned out with personal snafus at the moment.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:23 PM
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13. Word, LunaC. Word!
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 07:48 PM
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15. Excellent recap of the pertinent facts. Printing out copies now; I have
the day off tomorrow so I can have all kinds of fun leaving copies of this everywhere!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:55 PM
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16. I like to whisper. Great time line. n.t
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:24 AM
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18. Bravo!
:applause:
Sent the URL to friends already! This is great!

--IMM
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:46 AM
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19. This is truly superb. Thank you for this effort. Recommended.
Americans need to know this whole story - the Plame leak is the tip of the iceberg.
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:55 AM
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20. Bravo!!!
I've never seen it put together more lucidly.

I never made the connection about the '99 repub candidates, either.

Printing this out and leaving it everywhere.

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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:30 AM
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21. Kick!!! - Recommended
Way to go Luna!
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:42 AM
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22. Well done! Bravo! We need to keep all of this in mind and
keep educatiing oursleves.

the PNAC is comprised of a handful of the same few, well funded players.
...........
Check out who pays the neopigs:

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/501
The Glue that Binds the Movement
Check out their numerous think tanks and magazines and editorial efforts.
...........
Check out their names and bios at one of their own self promoting web sites:

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies.htm
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies

Sen. Frank Lautenberg
(D-NJ)
U.S. Senate

Rep. Mark Foley
(R-FL)

U.S. House of Representatives
Rep. Jim Marshall
(D-GA)


Sen. Zell Miller
(D-GA)
U.S. Senate

Rep. J.D. Hayworth
(R-AZ)
U.S. House of Representatives

Sen. Charles E. Schumer
(D-NY)
U.S. Senate

Sen. Frank Lautenberg
(D-NJ)
U.S. Senate


Richard Perle
Former Chair of the Defense Policy Board and FDD Advisor



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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:45 AM
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23. Why are Dems part of this neocon sounding group????
Just saw this and posted on it above.

But why are there so many Dems in with the likes of Buaer, Krystal, Krauthammer and Perles?

Donna Brazil??


WTF am I missing????
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:51 AM
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27. And Schumer is there!
WTF is up with that?? Maybe this explains why he can't come out fully against Iraq?
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:32 PM
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33. I guess he is for the war- but not the botch that shrub made of it.
Had shrub won, he would be totally for it.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:45 AM
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24. It really is amazing and disturbing and disgusting
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 11:52 AM by FreedomAngel82
all at the same time. You forgot some things though. Chuck Hagel was once going to be Bush's VP (he's a twenty-something year family friend of the Bush family) choice but the GOP officials wanted Cheney (probably Halliburton and his contacts through them). If you haven't seen Greg Palast's newsnight report about oil and Iraq and the "new" government than check it out at http://www.gregpalast.com Bush has ruined so many lives through this. Not just the military lives but the Iraqi lives and the future of Iraq. Now the women won't have anything they had before more than likely. From what I've heard of their Constiution so far (especially for women) is scary.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:05 PM
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28. Bookmarking and nominating.
eom
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:09 PM
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29. The link about Iraq doesn't take me to the article
It takes me to the website's home page. Where at the website do I go to find that specific article?
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 07:07 PM
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38. Hmmmm....they've changed their site
since the OP was first written two years ago. I can't seem to find it either. Here's an alternate link that includes the quoted excerpts:

http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/feb01parenti.htm

Thanks for the "heads up" so I can update the Demopedia link.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:13 PM
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40. Link directly to the author's site
http://www.michaelparenti.org/DefyingSanctions.html

(Found it too late to edit my previous post.)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:10 PM
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30. Why can't we charge them all under RICO?
Hmmm?
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:17 PM
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31. Ok... but what link is there to Fitzgerald?
We know the players, the motive, some very relevant facts all backed up, but where does Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame (who I think is the more important player in all of this...she knew something she wasn't supposed to.) and ultimately where does Fitz come in? Why are they leaving him alone?
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:20 PM
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32. K & R. This is excellent! I'm bookmarking it, and sending the article
to friends and family, who, while extremely educated and well-versed about current events, are nonetheless still in the dark about PNAC.

Thanks so much for this great effort!

:kick:
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:40 PM
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34. I would add Perle's Treason: Summer 2000
As with the willful harm to our national security they caused with the outing of Valerie Plame, another critical destructive act in satisfying the PNACons' Perversion (pronounced "pee-nah-cons") was Richard Perle's Treasonous Sabotage of the Camp David Peace Talks in July of 2000.

High-risk treachery was required here because the forces of peace (namely Clinton and Gore) were poised to short-circuit their entire evil enterprise with a final settlement to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, and in so doing, put the the election of 2000 beyond their ability to steal it.

Tragically, the sabotage of the peace talks was successful. And today all the euphemedia "road maps" lead back to Camp David 2000.

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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:14 PM
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35. WOW!!
Great! Thanks!
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:56 PM
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36. Neoconservativism is an ideology- have they infiltrated Dems?
Is the DLC the elephant in the room?

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/org/demleadcoun.php
>Writing shortly before the November 2000 election, John Nichols observed that the DLC had been founded “with essentially the same purpose as the Christian Coalition,” namely, “to pull a broad political party dramatically to the right.” According to Nichols, “the DLC has been far more successful than its headline-grabbing Republican counterpart.” (9) Although the DLC can rightly claim to have yanked the Democratic Party to the right, it has repeatedly failed to sideline what Progressive Policy Institute President Will Marshall has disparaging labeled “the party traditionalists.” Since its founding the DLC has aimed to subsume all Democrats under its ideological umbrella. But persistent (and resurgent) resistance to neoliberal prescriptions, neoconservative foreign policy, and social conservative domestic policies has curtailed DLC ambitions and obliged it to operate more as a powerful agenda-setting and lobbying group within the party. In effect, the DLC has focused on controlling the party’s platform and leadership rather than on selling “big tent” politics to all Democratic Party constituencies.<

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 07:18 PM
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39. psst... pass the word ;->
great campaign :toast:

peace
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:17 PM
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41. Decided to send this to Fitz
PNAC is one big conspiracy and right up his alley. It connects ALL of the remaining dots to reveal the Big Picture. I'd be remiss if I didn't jump on the opportunity. Who cares if his office thinks I'm just "another Internet crazy"? With luck, it'll put the icing on the cake!
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