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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:11 PM
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"fitzmas" sounds silly. I prefer "OCTOBER SURPRISE".
Just saying.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:13 PM
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1. October DEMISE n/t
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:16 PM
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3. LOL! GOOD ONE
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:31 PM
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9. agreed... the "surprise" is a real bit of political skullduggery,
while this is the legal demasking and beginning of judicial action in correcting political skullduggery that led to creating a hole in national security for this country.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:14 PM
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2. October housecleaning :) n/t
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:18 PM
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4. I see your point...
And maybe it does sound frivolous, but what's wrong with silly?

Go with the winner, it, uhm, fits.

--IMM
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:29 PM
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6. (GROAN)
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:35 PM
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13. Thank you, thank you very much!
I deserve it. But how could I pass that up?

--IMM
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:55 PM
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22. Fitz fits!
That's a good one. But if The Fitz doesn't come thru for the country then we will be saying The Fitz fizzled. :P
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:58 PM
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24. (GAG)
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:28 PM
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5. I ike Fitzmas
but I am afraid that my attitude is more like Natalie Woods in a miracle on 34th St. She doesn't believe in Santa Claus, but part of her hopes that she is wrong. Only, I believe that there is more than enough evidence to obtain indictments, I just don't believe it will happen--the bush administration has way too much to lose. But yet I hope that I am wrong. I find myself saying "I believe, I believe it's silly (It's unlikely) but I believe."
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magicoflife Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:32 PM
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10. It is october and you guys have me singing
christmas songs to myself.

Indictments will come down and justice will prevail.

Keep believing, it will happen
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:30 PM
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7. I think Fitmas has already caught on
and I like it.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:31 PM
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8. RED OCTOBER ha ha ha n/t
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:32 PM
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11. History of October Surprises, from Nixon in '68 on
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 03:36 PM by EVDebs
Nixon's Treason in 1968
http://www.geocities.com/vastright2/martyjezer.htm

prevents Humphrey from the presidency by sandbagging a peace deal in 1968 that Nixon himself accepts in 1973...

". According to Nixon, Kissinger warned him in September 1968 that Johnson would call a bombing halt in late October. Johnson and Democratic presidential candidate Hubert Humphrey had finally come to understand that to win the election they would have to find a way out of the war.

Hersh goes on to tell how Nixon sent Anna Chennault to lobby South Vietnamese President Nguyen van Thieu to urge him to obstruct the effort to begin peace negotiations. Chennault was a vice president of the Republican election finance committee and chairwoman of Republican Women for Nixon. As head of Flying Tiger Airlines, a once CIA-backed company originally formed to assist Chiang Kai-shek in his war against the Chinese Communists, Mrs. Chennault had high-level contacts in the South Vietnamese government.

All this is confirmed in Stanley Karnow's revised and updated Vietnam: A History, which, in its first edition, was the basis for the PBS series. As Karnow writes, "...through one of Nixon's foreign policy aides, Richard Allen, contacted the Republicans, offering to furnish them with covert information on Johnson's moves. A clandestine channel was set up through Nixon's campaign manger, John Mitchell, and Kissinger guided the Republicans secretly on the Vietnam issue for nearly two months -- thus supplying Nixon with the ammunition to blast Humphrey for `playing politics with war.""

The Gary Sick book October Surprise investigates the Reagan/Iran October Surprise...as detailed in Reagan/Bush treason 'theory' by Sick regarding Iran, Carter, and the 1980 election
http://www.answers.com/topic/october-surprise

Something strange here for DUers to investigate
"May 29, 1988
Salem bin Laden
42, brother of Osama bin Laden Near San Antonio, Texas Ultralight Too off and crashed into high power lines and fell 115 feet to the ground. 1 killed " from

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/famous1980s.htm

however PBS's site says something different
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/family.html

"Like his father in 1968, Salem died in a 1988 air crash...in Texas. He was flying a BAC 1-11 which had been bought in July 1977 by Prince Mohammed Ben Fahd. The plane's flight plans had long been at the center of a number of investigations. According to one of the plane's American pilots, it had been used in October 1980 during secret Paris meetings between US and Iranian emissaries. Nothing was ever proven, but Salem bin Laden's accidental death revived some speculation that he might have been "eliminated" as an embarrassing witness. In fact, an inquiry was held to determine the exact circumstances of the accident. The conclusions were never divulged."

Has the press ever investigated this ? Also, why would PBS print something and then print an 'editor's note' denying the BAC 1-11 information ? Ever hear of fact checking prior to publication ? A BAC 1-11 cannot reasonably be confused with an ultralight, see picture at
http://www.simviation.com/gallery/fsdgallerybac111bav.htm





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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:33 PM
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12. I'll bet that Fitzmas goes into the lexicon.
It already has leaked into the major media.

Originated right here on DU!!
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Native Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:07 PM
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14. It has caught on because it is great...
I haven't been this excited about the holiday season since I was a kid. Talk about a great way to get into the spirit. Fitzmas is genius.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:58 PM
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23. It made wikipedia. Check out this thread:
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:25 AM
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28. I think its amusing
A gift that keeps on giving
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:07 PM
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15. Moran Contra.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:58 PM
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16. LMAO!
It would be funny if it wasn't so series!1!1!!1
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:03 PM
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17. I think it's HUGH!!11!. nt
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:00 AM
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25. SUPER, bemildred! Excellent!
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:05 PM
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18. If it can't be Fitzmas, I'd go for October Demise
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:08 PM
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19. I like Fitzmas, and have updated my sig line accordingly.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:11 PM
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20. Thought it through....
and well, behold...

Good thing not everyone has to like everything the same! ;)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:51 PM
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21. Kick and keep kicking till all DUers read this ! eom
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:14 AM
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26. OCTOBERFEST? !! Jah, baby!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:23 AM
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27. Indictapalooza 2005!
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 08:23 AM by elehhhhna
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:26 AM
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29. "V W Day"
Victory in Washington

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:18 PM
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30. I prefer Treasongate.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:21 PM
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31. No October Surprise.
I swear I get sent into panic attacks everytime I hear that phrase. (Flashes back to the elections)
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