I think it is going to be tomorrow

No reason for the suspicion other than a hunch. The capitol city is seething in a state of protracted anxiety, the press is trembling on the edge of their seats, and I, for one, am about to suffer a debilitating spate of tension-related siezures.

It is time for Fitz to drop the hammer.

But here's the thing. He might not. Three scenarios:

1) No indictments, all of DU commits ritual online seppuku simultaneously, and I break every bone in my hand punching something hard;

2) Sealed indictments, which means someone or several someones got their hide nailed to the shed, but we won't know who or for what, and we won't know when we will know. See above;

3) Between one and twenty-two indictments are handed down, potentially ranging from perjury to obstruction to treason, potentially covering Rove and Libby and Miller and Cheney and even George W. Bush, I make in my pants and start flinging poo around like a deranged howler monkey while playing the Hallelujah refrain from Handel's Messiah with the stereo set at eleven. Let that mental image sink in for a second.

I think it's going to be tomorrow. I'm heading out to go bowling, if you can believe it. More throwing of heavy objects and smashing things.

It's been a privilege to sit this watch with you, whatever winds up happening. Stout hearts.

:popcorn:

("...drop the hammer")

Pun?

See the "St. Fitzmas Day" speech:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5156536

everywhere you go....

of the Carols. I want the pre-lims over so that we can get to the good stuff!

:bounce:

But maybe Wednesday. :shrug:

I'm all a-twitter and giddy w/ anticipation.

daydreaming I felt it too.

Tomorrow it is then :patriot:

:popcorn:

Everything I have read about Fitzgerald and the entire Treasongate, I really feel it will be three.

Better than the last Eagles game, eh?

that's the fly in the pessimistic ointment. Only scenario 3) takes the website into rational account.

Whether tomorrow? Dunno

Good Will Bowling

please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason, please be treason . . .

treason. :)

There has not been a case of treason brought on a federal level since WWII.

Since we don't know what Fitzgerald has, it is possible, but highly unlikely.

Espionage is far mor possible.

charges are ironclad, and these guys are gone, gone, gone!

...to answer the question, "does this case have merit, or does it not." To indict without a reasonable suspicion, or not to indict because the suspect happens to be the Vice President of the United States, is to defeat the purpose of the grand jury, and to waste the taxpayers' money.

money? Or is that just for drug dealing? My fantasy entails all of these rich, ugly, greedy white boys having to live in small studio apartments after they are released from prison. And the only jobs they can get are mowing lawns in the summer and shoveling snow in the winter!!!! Ain't that a fine dream?!

Although in this case, that would in fact be accurate.

and save "Bush's brain" for another day of deep thought?

will indict whomever they see fit and it won't be political. These politicos can try to smear anyone but it might not be the right anyone or anyones.

:silly:

Rational and CALM! CALM I SAID! NO I'M NOT NERVOUS OR CHECKING DU EVERY TWO SECONDS!!!!111 And the OP is going to PAY for that disgusting image he's left in my mind regarding his reaction to option 3 UNLESS IT'S TOMORROW because it is such a disgusting image that he ONLY deserves to post it if it's TOMORROW!!!111111



:crazy:

*is scared*

If it's disappointing, I don't think I'm going to want to be around DU for a good long while. :)

makes my running out of office front door in my heavily repug town and screaming like a banshee up and down main street look tame. that's if #3 happens anyway.

Great pic. Thanks.

:)

Tricky Dick was so "wholesome".

I wonder if the lanes are still there?

:rofl:

The suspense is killing me. And the lack of knowledge among the sheeple is even worse. No one here even knows that indictments are imminent.

Makes it kind of depressing to live here, but hey, somebody has to do it. I am doing it for the party.

We're so all of a doodah that whatever happens is bound to be just "aaah... exactly what I'd hoped for."

Whereas for the average person watching the evening news, the reaction will be:wtf: :wow: :wtf: :wow: :wtf: :wow: :wtf: :wow: :wtf: :wow: :wtf:

Much greater impact on said average person that way.

Not Sealed as in the indictments issued for mobsters. the specifics for requiring keeping the mobster's name secret until they are in custody is so the mobster is not whacked before cops can get to him.

Nope, we will know every name, and most charges.

The "sealed" part will be that certain facts about the indictments will not be known. Those portions of the indictments will be blacked out, or redacted.

There may also be some charges that are redacted from public knowledge due to the sensitive National Security nature. All other bits redacted from the released information wil also be due to National Security concerns.

The Grand Jury won't be able to speak of the case as they will be held under similar constraints as former CIA agents or military personnel who had the highest security classifications.

The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offense is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm

I don't see that particular charge being applied to anyone in this case. Espionage...well, maybe.

designed to get WMD information about our enemies is tantamount to giving them aid? Espionage is definitely in play here, or should be. If Fitz indicts with everything he can indict for, espionage is certainly one of the charges---and, since the "classified material" shared with unauthorized persons deal with WMD, the death penalty is in play, as well--US Code 18 Section 794---but, 793 and 10 years in prison works pretty good too.

There has to be two witnesses also. I think this is why it's so rarely used.

I'm more inclined towards espionage being possible for the very reasons you mentioned.

but close enough that zero is a good approximation.

:evilgrin:

... up your mind!

I'm still not gonna count the indictments until they hatch. I'm not yet sure that I am NOT in the bearded Spock-side of the parallel universes.

No reason. Just think Wednesday. And if ther areno indictments, I will simply break the three bottles of bubbly over my head and end my misery.

:crazy:

but I fear an Iran-Contra-like outcome.

I am just thinking this aloud - Why might this be more like Watergate than Iran-Contra? We were lied to and people died and the economy plummets and virtually everyone is implicated.

:fingerscrossed:

So I hope you're right!

I hope a few things will be made right again tomorrow. :thumbsup:

Perhaps instead of flinging poo, you could do what I'll do: Stand in
my front yard yelling "FUCK, YEAH!" (at least 75% of the neighborhood
will be doing the same, I'm guessing).

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"I'll fling poo for twenty-two"

:toast: Keep the faith!

Peace.

I've been patiently watching as this story unfolds for the past 2+ years, but waiting these last few weeks has been excruciating! Let it end already, so the next step can be taken.

be when it's expected...that's my guess.

I can just see the headlines bird flu diagnosed in Manhattan couple and on page 3 a little paragraph about the indictments.

Could be a week of alcohol too. Either way. Go throw your balls around Will, have a good time.

...me likey.
;)

We really need a couple of new smilies around here:

:feint:

:seizure:

:rofl:

Otherwise, #3 could hurt! :hurts:

all of us nuts that is? Just wondering. I like your #3 best of course.

http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2005/10/sealed_indictme.php

<excerpt>:
It could be that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald might choose to file sealed indictments before the grand jury expires at the end of next week. That would mean that the names of the indicted would be unknown to the public--unless the information leaked.

Why would Fitzgerald do this? Perhaps he has not finished investigating. It could be that recent developments--Judy Miller's testimony, Karl Rove's return to the grand jury, the Daily News story that indicates Rove and George W. Bush discussed the leak (and Rove's involvement in the matter) two years ago--have provided him additional leads to chase down. (The Daily News story--see the items below--does raise important questions.) In such a case, Fitzgerald might want to bank several indictments, impanel a new grand jury, and keep digging. This is--needless to say--speculation. But anyone waiting anxiously for indictments should keep this scenario in mind.

(my stereo goes up to TWELVE)

anyone?

please?

No way.

to keep the indictee from getting whacked before they're arrested.

See post #18 for how I see "sealed" indictments in this case.

one crappy hand. :evilgrin: I'll just cry no matter what happens.

Back........one bottle of Korbel Natural is chilling in the fridge.

set up a web page-presumable (hopefully) to show us something.

At this point I am trying to stay 'in check' by reminding myself that indictments, any indictments, will happen and they will be good.

:kick:

somehow, it would be appropriate for the indictments to come tomorrow. It would make me feel like somewhere, someway Paul is still looking out for us.

but think with you it will be tomorrow...since there were rumors he could convene tomorrow instead of Wednesday which is the usual.

I think two indictments...maybe one more. If he thinks he has more power...he will hold back and try to get the other "little sharks" if he can get his Grand Jury extended. I've not seen any speculation on the Liberal Blog Sites about how he could extend the GJ...so it may not be possible.

Yet ...I think he will extend it and go for a couple of indictments hoping to flesh out more later.

But, my guess could be as wrong as anyones. It's my gut...but having waited so long for so little...I guess I don't trust my gut as much as I used to. :D ....lol's

Imagine the Republican party winning races any time before 2010.

In some ways, the mass pardon option is the biggest brick in the head of the pachyderm. Culture of Corruption (rinse and repeat) on steroids.

The question is, how loyal is **? My suspicion that when the chips are down, and the villagers are carrying torches, the loyalty is all one way.

we shall see....the future truly rests on this man's shoulders.

(a) If it's 3), we definitely need the video!

(b) Eight pages of sealed top secret information. We will definitely still need the video.

Rumor had it he was going to announce in DC, if he is going there you are most likely correct.

I think his travel plans will be a good indicator.

be announced in DC....around the time he set up the website.

And I WANNA COOL PRESENT!!!!!

Ok so maybe just a kidney -- I'm going to need a new organ of some kind by the time this is over.

I agree the shit will or won't hit the fan tomorrow because I will be at work BUMMING OUT disconnected from news :(

When all is said and done and Bush, Cheney, Rice et al are carted off to jail, who ends up in the White House? Does Congress decide? Or does one of the Cabinet members take over?

president, then veep, then speaker of the House

and after that it's look up time

The Vice President Richard Cheney
Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
President pro tempore of the Senate1 Ted Stevens
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns
Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez2
Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao3
Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman
Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson
Secretary of Homeland Security4 Michael Chertoff

NOTE: An official cannot succeed to the Presidency unless that person meets the Constitutional requirements.
1. The president pro tempore presides over the Senate when the vice president is absent. By tradition the position is held by the senior member of the majority party.
2. Carlos Gutierrez was born in Cuba and is ineligible.
3. Elaine Chao was born in Taiwan and is ineligible.
4. In late July 2005, the Senate passed a bill moving the Homeland Security secretary to number 8 on the list. The bill is awaiting House approval.

will be in the White House til 2008. Oh, well. Maybe the cabinet member won't be as bad as Bush.

n/t

:rofl:

You ARE the man. I've been reading your posts for a while and I have to say, you're one cool dude.

Keep the peace bro!

:beer:

wednesday!!

i read that somewhere..that their usual day is wednesday..and they bumped it up to tuesday!!

heyy will!! careful with the bowling ball...!!

fly:hi:

well, i guess i should look at it this way.........it should be worth waiting for and if it isn't.......oh canada, oh canada......will either be surfing for a job there or burying my sorrow in a bottle of canadian whiskey.

My wife, my son, several people on DU, even my mom.

I haven't been this fucking crabby since the runup to the Iraq war.

I resolve from here forward to just shut up and wait. I'm taking a shower and chilling until Fitzmas, whatever it may bring.

Deep breaths and apologies to everyone here I've freaked out on.

nasty while waiting for our Democracy to return....Lots of deep breathing helps...think I will go shopping for champagne.

Breathing now...champagne later.

Really. You could have spared me that. But no. You're Mr. William Rivers Pitt, mighty wielder of images both subtle and gross. And that was gross. Really. Gross.

Handel's Messiah? Clearly the occasion would be essentially Wagnerian in its essential nature. "Flight of the Valkyre", conjuring images of hordes of avenging helicopters spearheaded by Robert Duval proclaiming his love of the smell of napalm in the morning ...

Now THAT goes with making in your pants and flinging poo around like a deranged howler monkey. Get it right next time, dammit.


:toast:

That may just happen more than people think if indictments are handed down to our liking.

Hate to get on the comet without you Will.

Seriously, I can't stand the suspense much longer. Something has got to happen, anything. I need resolution, dammit.

Christmas yet, about fifty times today. He may be slightly psychic, and maybe he was hearing "Fitzmas" and confused it with Xmas.
;)

Hmmmmm ..... Awwww ....

1) NOOOOOOOOOOOOO !
2) ARGHHHHHHHHHHH!
3) EWWWWWWWWWWWWW ! ....

FUN ! ... Good Luck ....

Thanks, My pleasure ..... Indeed ....

:bounce:

I CAN'T WAIT!!! I'll take door number three: 22 INDICTMENTS, TREASON, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, BUSH, CHENEY, ROVE, LIBBY, MILLER!!! Hoping we hit the JACKPOT!

If no indictments come down I'm gonna bust a vein a la Col. Sherman T. Potter. (HORSE HOCKEY!!!)

But I have a wonderful feeling that I'll be downing some gorgeous amber about this time tomorrow or sooner if I scram out of work early.
:beer:


Remember: There is always hope.

:popcorn: :hide: :woohoo: :applause:

Just try to take it easy.

Pretty sure of that.

the cleansing effect as a result....the whole intention in the First Place.

could be handed down (if they do happen tomorrow)?

Can I have my Fitzmas presents NOW! Please? Just one maybe? How bout a peek?
I DON'T WANNA GO TO BED!


Okay, just one more refresh.........

Thanks for the anxiety relief! :D

treason? I just can't see that happening. Isn't the sentence for treason death?

I certainly do believe that treason was committed by the cabal, but I can't see Fitz charging anyone with it. If my mind serves me correctly, only two people in US history have been successfully charged with treason, one being John Brown.

Sedition? I could see that! And the word has an evil ring to it. :D

Their trial would be political. Impeachment. It would make sense to charge treason what with the war on terror and all. Wouldn't be able to find 3 people who would admit voting for them. Politically they would be done. Wooden stake in the heart. Conviction would just remove them from office.

If the real reason for outing Plame was to destroy Brewster Jennings (and getting Wilson was just a sideshow to deflect attention)...

And if the reason for wanting to destroy BJ was that BJ was onto some shady dealings...

And if the shady dealings involved Darth helping Halliburton (or somebody else) sell WMD materials to some rogue or terrorist regime...

that could be treason. They're all possible.

I think someone on DU posted that the penalty for treason during wartime can be death. Is this wartime? Since the state of perpetual undeclared war began, who's to say if a time is wartime or not? If it came to that, Darth could argue that it's only wartime in the boy king's imagination when he needs a boost in the polls or in his narcissistic self-image.

wmd dealings? I keep thinking that the Cabal was trying to plant wmds in Iraq so to justify going to war. Of course Halliburton or Bechtel could have been helping out with that as well. More than likely Bechtel because they are a VERY PRIVATE firm. Just guessing.

I don't think the US ever 'declared' war on Iraq...same as Vietnam. However, there must be something in the Patriot Act that the Cabal could be charged with...wouldn't that be just tooooo sweeeeeeeeet?

I haven't paid much attention to the whole Israel/Larry Franklin angle. Some people at DU seem to think there's a connection.

Peak Oil's just about here, and poo can be processed into methane for heat and compost to grow a Freedom Garden next spring.

And remember, America ... every time you Flush, Osama WINS!

--p!

1. Nothing might happen

2. A bit might happen

3. A lot might happen.

Brilliant. Already the situation is clearer.

Someday tomorrow's today.

I will join in the celebration for option 3, but I will fling rose petals rather then poo. (And Dude Will, there are better things to pull from your pants. I will tell you when you are older)

I don't usually drink but there is a new imported wine that is named the same as my unusual given name. People see it and buy it for me. I have some chilling.
I will wear a flowing dress, raise my glass and drink to each indictment, then twirl and throw rose petals and sing whatever worthy song comes to mind.

I will do the poo fling for option one, wearing only black and sullenly mutter curses.

My son was asking what Fitzgerald was like, if we could trust him. I started describing what I knew and he laughed and said it sounded like I wanted to marry him.
Well sure, but I would be happy to just carry his briefcase.

I do believe it's truth he is seeking and that he knows how to find it. I do believe the truth in this case will bring indictments. We don't know...the breadth of his investigation.

How much hope to put in the integrity of a lone man!

But if this man is as good as he sounds, well he is already like a comic book hero in his search for truth and justice. Could he ever be a turning point in history, who should play him in the movie?

:kick:

Jimmy Stewart would have played him back beautifully....if it were 55 years ago.

at point #3.

right about the time I hit the words "deranged howler monkey" -- I completely lost it.

Please let it be today.

I love you Will!

today.

quite frankly I would not mind it on thurday (a hell of a b'day gift), but today will work too, early gift you know

And in adnvaced, regardless of the result. thank you Mr Fitzgerald

Saturday.

see here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5165125

We will survive.

A slow, agonizing, fought-every-step-of-the-way battle will be the best
way to send the Bushite orcs back to their holes for a thousand years or
so, isolating and discrediting themselves and their die-hard supporters
forever.

So if sealed indictments are what it takes, I'm for it. I want everyone
to know about the crimes of 9/11 and the voting machines before this is
over. A period of time for the media to speculate as to where the
investigation is going will also be useful.

But if sealed indictments are going to be a means of deflating our
balloon I'm going to... work all the harder to expose the crimes of the BFEE.