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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:48 PM
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A question about ECHELON.
ECHELON is supposedly capable of capturing over 3 billion communications daily. While that sounds impressive, how exactly does the NSA process all that information? I mean they would need an awful lot of manpower.(NSA employs 40,000, not nearly enough.) I'm sure that they have protocols set, like looking for keywords and various other means. But what is the likelihood of one of your or my transmissions showing up at Fort Meade on some analyst's desk? I don't think it's very likely, the odds are astronomically against it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:52 PM
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1. I thought it sniffed for indicator words.. like 'bomb'
or 'assassinate'.

When I worked at EarthLink, this is how it was described to me... ymmv
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:54 PM
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2. Indeed, but what about all the communications traffic
that doesn't have those words in it? What about coded messages?
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:57 PM
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4. Good question. I imagine they run a huge number of
encryption algorythms too... I honestly don't know though.
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:55 PM
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3. Offshore electronic data mining
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 10:56 PM by jim3775
When dealing with American data, they can't do it within the US borders because it would violate US law (maybe the 4th amendment). At least that's what I've heard.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:06 PM
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8. LMAO!
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 11:07 PM by Angry Girl
Sorry. The thought of this particular government actually obeying the law was just too funny....

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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:00 PM
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5. If I remember correctly ECHELON only monitors transatlantic traffic
So I am not sure how effective it is in our satellite age.

Monitoring chunks of communication for keywords is no big deal. Analyzing whatever is filtered out would be a manual task, but out of 3 billion communications, how many require further investigation?

Of course the proof is in the pudding.

If I were to say to you that I have to KILL a colony of ants that live under the BUSH that is growing against the WHITE HOUSE across the street, then I guess I can only hope that the NSA still has a sense of humor left.
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:01 PM
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7. Just remembered another thing
ECHELON was primarily used for industrial espionage (or so the story goes).
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:00 PM
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6. Echelon actually uses multiple resources...
... including GCHQ in the UK. It will pick up and pull in just about every signal that the satellites and ground stations can absorb. You're right, though--the problem is that it has trouble digesting it all. But, the NSA is perhaps the biggest single buyer of computer power in the country. There's good evidence that we have supercomputers because of them, and they've long been interested in things like voice-to-text and machine translation.

It does work off a keyword list, but that keyword list is very extensive--that's why EU countries objected to it a few years ago--some felt they had evidence that Echelon was being used to do industrial and commercial espionage.

If you do overseas calls for business purposes, your communications have likely been recorded. Whether they're on some analyst's desk depends upon whether or not there was something interesting said in the conversation....

Cheers.
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