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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:10 PM
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So much for the "credibility" of all these "inside scoop" websites
CNN just reported that no Fitzgerald announcement will occur today; in fact, no indictments have even been made.

But people here have been spamming DU boards with "top secret information" from all the two-bit "inside scoop" political websites. Now we know, once and for all, that these RawStory/Drudge-type sites and blogs are a joke.

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:11 PM
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1. CNN's credibility is no screaming hell either
Just listen to Daryn Kagen and Bill Schneider for one example.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:12 PM
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2. Next they'll say tomorrow.
We'll know when we know.
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mestup Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:12 PM
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3. But, what makes CNN any more reliable?
:shrug:
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:13 PM
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4. No one could know if indictments were returned or not if they are sealed
When you say, "in fact, no indictments have even been made", that is not true either since the existence of sealed indictments would not be made public.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:13 PM
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5. The preponderance of info says indict.
I do not have a lot of faith in CNN on this.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:14 PM
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6. Can you give me ONE reason to believe CNN?
We'll know when/if there are indictments when we know and until then - it's ALL speculation, but that doesn't mean CNN is credible, either.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:32 PM
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22. Daryn Kagan???
Ooops, not a good reason. My bad.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:14 PM
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7. CNN
Now there is a shining example of accuracy in media. :youhavegottobekidding:
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:15 PM
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8. Good thing that a lot of people here don't pay attention to those sites
I saw a lot of "inside scoop" posts but also many DU people saying that they will wait and weren't putting much into those scoops.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:17 PM
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9. Technically, CNN has no more idea than the others do...
not to say that those "scoop" websites are reliable.

So far, what they're going on comes from sources "close to the investigation." Who the hell knows who that could be? :shrug:
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:17 PM
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10. To my knowledge, Raw Story has always come through in the past.
Are you aware that a DUer, LaLaRaw, is a writer for Raw Story?

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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:17 PM
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11. Yeah, RAH RAH CNN
:eyes:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:20 PM
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12. Gee louise the next thing we will hear is that CNN is reliable and
they know what is going on.

Look right now it looks like sealed indictments, and that means... you will not know about it.

Now last night Ray tal was reading the AP wire, who aparently got the scoop that this is what was going to happen, indictments and a press conference.

Now I guess the AP is also wrong (and everybody is) and we will not see any indictments and they will walk scotts free.

Qute frankly we will have something, and friday is YOUR deadline... but I can tell you this.. CNN wishes that nothing comes out of this... their corporate masters know that they NEED these corrupt SOBs for certain things to go through.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:23 PM
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15. CNN might not be airtight reliable
And I'm not saying that I'm a huge CNN fan. But this info is useful in that shows how dubious these many "scoop" sites are.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:24 PM
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17. CNN was making similar projections last night as the scoop sites.
nearly everyone was indicating indictments today...which, by the way, is not over yet.

regardless, read my post further down.
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:32 PM
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23. But didn't "those sites" show you how dubious corporate whoreing
is?

Come now, it is not the time to lay back laughing at naive sucker punches either here or there.

Fact is there is precious few media outlets that could be considered not dubious. All standards are shot to hell these days including yours whether you admit or not. To put any newsie org on a pedestal is not only foolhardy but dangerous to an individuals empowerment through knowledge.

I don't trust any media outlet anymore implicitly. I also dont trust traditional media anymore than blogs and online media scources. Again foolhardy to do anything but...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 01:33 PM
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31. CNN is NOT air tight and they have an agenda
moreover, the sealed indictment was on teh wire last night... sealed means yuo will not necessarily know about it

Now if you CHOOSE to beleive CNN, be my guest, me... I trust them as far as I can throw them, which ain't very bloody far

Trust be told, something will come out of it, and not something that CNN or the rest of the corporatists want, for it is not good for their agenda of world dominaition, there I said it.... CNN, FOX et al are just whoring for the Corporatist agenda and they cannot nor should be trusted... the last five years should have taught you this.
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:24 PM
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16. Oh, com'mon --Daryn Kagan is as objectively reliable as ...um... um
Rush Limbaugh is good looking.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:22 PM
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13. The indictments may have been made just not said.
This is Fitzgerld we're dealing with here.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:22 PM
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14. there is a difference between issuing indictments and public announcement
of those indictments. They do not necessarily have to occur simultaneously or even in the same day or week.

If I understand it correctly, at any rate.

I agree with many that say we will not know for sure until we know for sure, but I also disagree with blasting scoop websites, when the corporate media is making the same misfires on timing.

The problem is that all we have is speculation from sources willing to talk, which at the moment are generally the defense attorneys of likely targeted individuals, who are trying to manipulate coverage and spin to their advantage.

But scoop websites are at least talking to SOMEONE, so taken with that in mind, you can extrapolate back and suss who's leaking and why, which is also valuable information, independent of timing of indictment announcements.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:24 PM
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18. Oh riiiiight.. the same credible CNN who showed Saddam statue fall 500x?
and pretended it was some momentous occasion when actually the wide angle photos proved that it was a staged photo-op (brought to you by the Rendon Group?).

Or claims that poverty has fallen under Bush administration.

What a joke.
I'll take Raw Story over CNN any day.

Anyone who reads Raw every day is 5 times more informed than the crime-drama-and-celebrity-scandal networks.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:26 PM
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19. RawStory is usually very good if you wait an hour or two
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 12:26 PM by IanDB1
They seem to rush to get their headlines posted, and then occasionally retract them within an hour or two.

My opinion is that if it's on RawStory and an actual story appears (and stays for more than two hours) as opposed to one of their ephemeral headlines, then you can put a good deal of faith in it.

RawStory is the opposite of mayonnaise. You need to let it sit out in the sun for a couple hours before you know it's good.

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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:28 PM
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21. BREAKING HARD!!!!111
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:27 PM
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20. CNN wouldn' t know if indictments, or true bills, had been
returned, if they're sealed.

No one knows that until either A.) the targets have been arrested and/or notified to appear for an arraignment, thus, opening the indictment for public view or B.) Fitzgerald makes a formal announcement.

CNN's full of shit if they think they know whether SEALED indictments have come down or not.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:33 PM
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24. They've been made... they just haven't been made officially n/t
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:34 PM
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25. Michael Isikoff's girlfriend...
just asked me what was going on.

As if I'd know.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:35 PM
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26. yep, KOS too.. and DU
no credibiLity what so evah
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:36 PM
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27. CNN was reporting 2 hours ago that Fitzgerald came out and
told reporters that there would not be a "news event" today. In other words, no press conference. He did not speak to any other issues. If CNN is now reporting that no indictments have even been made they are probably making it up - it is not from the source because he will not speak with them period.

And why are you angry - take all the news/info sources and come to your own balanced conclusions like the rest of us.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:37 PM
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28. You're wrong. RawStory usually gets it right. n/t
n/t
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:38 PM
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29. I haven't seen anyone report that there would be an announcement today.
If the indictments are sealed, CNN would have no way of knowing whether indictments were handed down today or not, any more than the other sites would know that they had. But if lawyers for the defendants have confirmed that they received target letters, that is a pretty good indicator that it is now when, not if. Maybe your friends at CNN just want to keep you tuning in.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 01:28 PM
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30. You yourself haven't seen them
That sounds like a lawyer.

As for myself - I saw at least six different sources posted last night on DU saying that an announcement would be made today. As for CNN - Bloomberg just reported the same story.
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