No Indictments? Anyone else beginning to think...

that they'll all get away with this... and that there won't be any indictments at all?

Not trying to send negative vibes or anything - but sheesh... what is taking so long?

Not being sarcastic, but from what I hear about Fitz, he is a very detail-oriented person, and wants the t's crossed and the i's dotted. And even though the wait is sometimes hard, I would rather he be thorough and methodical instead of fast to the point where things would fall through the cracks.

Everyone should just go to bed tonight, get up, go to work tomorrow, don't worry.

They will happen or they won't. Either way, things are for shit for bush et al. With indictments, they are in huge shit. Without indictments they are still in the shit. I mean, hell, things aren't exactly going well for any of them regardless. And it's ONLY 2005!

:-)

Everyone go look at the Fitzmas Blog. That picutre of Saint Fitz is hilarious!

http://fitzmas.blogspot.com/

Thanks for the link! LOL!

Even a gut feeling is more reliable than the right-wing propaganda you must be listening to.

Fitzgerald is probably giving the Whitehouse time to prepare. They are suppose to be commanding the country and it would be the proper thing to do.

overkill. The pressure of wanting the truth to come out so badly and fearing that it will not.

Time to watch a silly movie or read a book or make a scrapbook or something to take our minds off of Plamegate/Treasongate mess for awhile.

If a) there are no indictments OR b) the only indictments are for Libby for perjury and obstruction, then Walt Starr will use the following signature line for 30 days:

"I was Punk'd by alcibiades_mystery."

If, on the other hand, there are any more indictments than that, I will use the following signature line for 30 days:

"I was Punk'd by Walt Starr."


ODDS?

will probably have to change his sig line.

My guess, which is no better than anybody else's, is 80/20 against indictments other than obstruction of justice or perjury.

:evilgrin:

I remain confident.

The Grand Jury has yet to be dismissed.

And should the Grand Jury be dismissed with no indictments announced, I will change my sig, but if the announcements come next week, I will expect you to alter your sig line for one additional day for each day mine is altered erroneously.

Remember, there could already be sealed indictments which won't be revealed for potentially weeks. The fact that sealed indictments have been issued woud not be known for days.

We said one month (30 days), period.

That said, we could work it out as follows: Nobody changes their sig until an official announcement is made.

And remember, the second condition was ONLY Libby getting indicted on ONLY perjury and obstruction. Should he only be indicted on one of these two, that would mean an alcibiades_victory and Walt Starr punking as well. Don't worry. I'll be gentle.

:evilgrin:

and if Rove AND Libby are indicted, YOU'RE PUNK'D!

I agree, we wait until there is an announcement. If the Grand Jury closes up shop and Fitzgerald closes up shop, then I'll accept that in lieu of an announcement.

Get yourself fitted for some frilly pink undergarments, and start learning how to wash socks in the sink, sweetie.

;-)

;-)

mon punk.

I can wait, can you?

n/t

I wonder about the smaller players, too.

But at this point, you're looking to be in danger of a serious PUNKING!

:-)

in danger of SERIOUS PUNKING!!!!

Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy
Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy
Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy Conspiracy

If Libby is indicted for conspiracy, YOU'RE PUNK'D!!!

That'll be your initiation.

:evilgrin:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

:evilgrin:

Three different charges, five counts!!!!

:evilgrin:

You said Libby would only be indicted for Perjury and Obstruction.

I'll tell ya what, though. I'm willing to let the bet ride and overlook the added False Statement charges and wait and see. If absolutely nothing more comes from this, you PUNK'D me.

Agreed?

I once again offer you a chance to vindicate yourself.

Since there were three different charges (Perjury, obstruction, AND false statements) and five counts total, I've already won.

I'm willing to make you a deal, though. If there are no more charges or indictments, I'll consider myself PUNK'D.

Deal?

False statements is a lesser charge than perjury, and I was of course mistaken on the counts but not on the charges.

I would once again like to point out that my predictions were substantially correct, and that right early.

See your PM for deal on bet.

No way will I accept a win on a technicality of false statements in addition to perjury and obstruction.

We wait until this thing finishes, or until the Doughboy, Turdblossom, goes down, which is what I think will be the second day of Fitzmas.

:evilgrin:

Just because.

Keep your hat on. Don't panic. Sit down, relax, and pour yourself a beer, or an apple juice, or something. Put your feet up. Take a nap. Aint' life grand?

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:shrug:
Maybe they didn't do anything illegal???:rofl:
What they did WAS illegal. Whether they get away with it is another story.
Methinks you logged onto the wrong site today...

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which are undisputed.
There WAS a covert agent outed. That is illegal.

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Outing a CIA agent is illegal.

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:hi:

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...if there's a mile-high mound of evidence against a person and he's NOT accused of a crime, does that make him any LESS guilty?

NGU.

You are saying there wasn't any crime committed.
I am saying there was.
What was done was a crime.
I never named a perpetrator of the crime, only presented the fact that a crime of outing a CIA agent was committed.
You inserted your own thoughts in that.
SOMEBODY did it.
SO the vague "they" would certainly suffice as an unknown criminal.
Until I actually say a NAME...then "they" certainly did out a CIA agent is a correct statement as well.:)
Of course the question of will you be able to handle it if "they" are convicted should certainly be asked.:eyes:

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NGU.

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...something positive to contribute too.

NGU.

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..."decided what the outcome of the investigation is??"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

If you'd like to know the "facts" on what I've decided, please see post #62.

NGU.

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...flop.

NGU.

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I'm sure you're feeling the love by now...

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I'm shocked... I've read all your post and I felt sure you'd be overwhelmed by the outpouring of emotion by now.

I find it hard to believe that after a two year investigation they just happen to find out she was outed herself, or her neighbor's knew, or any of that crap. If that ws the case it would have ended before it started.

that she outed herself.
I guess we know where you get YOUR news.
To tell you the truth--I didn't think they would leave you here this long for us to play with,lol.

Wow, Rush used that same talking point today. The reason why I listen to that idiot is to have fun with FReeps like you.

Denial's a bitch, t'aint it?

especially in this administration.

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NGU.

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:rofl:

NGU.

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...you said "why haven't they been charged?" Then you flip-flopped and said you agreed with NYC that we DON'T KNOW whether or not they've been charged.

C'mon, you can disrupt better than this, can't you?? Any halfway decent troll would have the post count on this thread well over 100 by now.

NGU.

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:rofl:

NGU.

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or else it gets the hose again :D

Hilarious, Cat woman!

I think the freeps still think Wilson and Plame will be indicted.

You know...there is a reason for laws banning marriage and mating within family units and free republic posters bring all that evidence to bear on an hourly basis.

or else it gets the hose again!"

mikey_the_rat

Do you know what sealed indictments are? Just asking.

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I'm also wondering if it might not even be better for a "cloud of doubt" to surround them forever....

is a cage of reinforced steel bars!

People will forever know the Party of Nixon as the Party of Bush**.

:rofl:

NGU.

the indictments. And they will come, I have no doubt about that.

What they did WAS illegal, and I have a feeling that both Fitz and the Grand Jury agree.

George Herbert Walker Bush, Shrub's father, called outing a CIA agent an act of treason and also said it was despicable.

It's a crime all right. Question is, who can Fitz prove it against? Libby? Rove? Cheney?

Cheney is under the microscope right now...part of the delay, I think. Libby may have dropped the dime on him.

BTW--welcome to DU!

there is no doubt that illegal activity took place. there is no way to explain it away, period. they might get away with it, that is another story.

we already know that bush lied when he said he didn't know who leaked Plame's identity.

we already know that cheney lied when he said he didn't know who Joe Wilson was.

we already know that rove and libby released Plame's identity to people in the media.

we already know that bush lied in his 2003 state of the union address.

where have you been?

Man o man there are a lot of you. Never seen so many <200 posts in one thread.

bush is a drunken stupid lying asshole.

How are you?

:hi:

I really expect more out of these trolls than this.

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He's the hands-down worst president this poor country of ours has ever had to suffer under.

Why do the people who voted for him hate America so much?

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where you were pretending not to know what trolling is.

Oh and what I said would NEVER be considered trolling around here, LOL!

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having a different opinion than the majority.

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Some people on here can argue like adults, some can't.

FWIW, "trolling" usually means the following:

* deliberately provoking arguments on newsgroups or bulletin boards, with no other intent than to gain attention for the sake of attention. Originally: fishing by dragging a line fitted with one or more hooks behind the boat.

What the hell are you talking about?

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:rofl:

Why do you think bush lovers hate America so much? Can you answer that?

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:rofl:

Yeah, right.

WHo said you said you love bush? Actually you have NEVER answered my questions about him. And I'm not your pal.

So, is bush:

a) a motherfucker

b) the Biggest Asshole on Earth

c) a lying traitorous warmongering fascist

d) all of the above?

Tombstoned. Whooo.

wondering aloud about the mental health of the tiny minority of americans polled that still approve of the job done by the imbecile drunkard frat-boy who has done nothing but raze our once great nation into the ground with lies, corruption, deceit, malice and high treason...


...on the freerepublic site

:evilgrin:

:hi: MERRY FITZMAS :party:

TREASON THE REASON FOR THE SEASON

welcome to DU CoolRam

Nobody here knows. Most of us strongly believe they did something illegal, based on their past MO of character assassination and the President's pattern of lies that started a war.

To suggest that "maybe they didn't do anything illegal" is silly. They've done plenty of illegal things already. I can live with it if they don't get nailed on this particular one, because somewhere down the road they will get nailed on the rest.

he starts a press conference bushco* is gonna do SOMETHING to steal the newscycle. So he just goes along and they* keep throwing out their distractions and sooner or later they will be either out of ideas or slip up and Fitzgerald will announce.

I know it'll be gutwrenching but I kinda hope he announces he is delaying any idictments becuase the investigtion has taken some "serious turns" and he is extending the inquiry for an indefinite period but not longer than another year, at the very latest he will make his investigation public the Tuesday before 2006 election day! Imagine how the bush* crime family will fumble along with this hanging over their heads for ANOTHER YEAR!

Either that or he comes out and insists on 2 counts of treason for every bush* admin member.

Just as the New York Times reported that Halliburton overcharged the gov't several millions in Iraq, guess what!? We caught Sadaam.
How'd ya do that?
He was hiding in this here hole.
You sure you weren't hiding him there 'till the time was right?
Now that sounds like a left wing conspiracy

convictions...not likely. Pardons...galore. We're looking at another Iran/Contra, only this time the Sith control all branches.

I can't think of a single thing...

and the star of the show is getting his spotlight, suspense and drama then the verdict..indict or not to indict that is the question!

that he might ask for an extension, and the feeling in DC is that he's casting a wider net. Yes, the anticipation is killing us, but Fitz is known as a very methodical prosecutor...when he goes in for the kill, it's going to be bloody.

He is very thourough. I think though that when he goes in it will be deadly accurate, air tight with every i dotted and t crossed. We're all on edge here, just imagine whats going on with this pack of hyenas, let em sweat.

is that the press is RIGHT THERE waiting with us. They're turning it into a media event, which is exactly what it needs to be.

I think Fitzgerald is just making sure that everything is ready. I'm not that worried.

Tammy

that they will get away with it again. They control 90% of the govt. This is what we get when there is not Checks and Balance.

Poor baby.

NGU.

And they sure as hell won't be able to control any jury assembled in DC criminal court!

This isn't our timetable; it's the prosecutor's timetable.

No offense, UDenver20, but breathe deep and be patient. It's natural to feel like Fitzmas will never get here.

:)

You're fishing for a DUDQ award, arentcha?

(And where the heck you been, Bro?? :hi:)

NGU.

kick the threads that help us advance the root canal that the administration is getting, even if it makes it grittier and less pain-free?

Doing great, feeling good about the wheels of justice and the power of those of us with the title of "citizen" to have a government of us, by us, and for us.

And you know, I was wondering as I've combed through all the freshest news about the SP, waiting for indictments and wondering how far Fitzgerald will go now that he's spent two years going up the river of crimes: What are they hiding?

My answer: not much anymore, now that everyone is waking up to the fact that the emperor is naked, and hey, this was illegal, and that was illegal, and so on, for a long time.

We're going to need to share a cyber-beer in the next few days, bro.


:patriot:

I've been meaning to PM you, but been way busy. Soon. I promise.

Maybe on I-Day.

NGU.

The day's coming, along with the work to follow.

:hi:

I even think there will be convictions.

But there is the presidential pardon at the end of the rainbow for all these bastards.

I'm not trying to be negative, but I just have a feeling that they are going to get away with it for the most part. Some people might get indicted, but not the higher ups. They're a Teflon Administration after all. Just think about how much they are going to crow about being "vindicated" etc., when neither Libby nor Rove get indicted.

I really, really hope that I am wrong.

...is just Fitzmas gravy.

B-)

NGU.

and just shut up already }(

So far all is going fine from what I can tell.

Keep the faith. :)

therefore, nothing will be said before indictments are ready to be served.

Patience is a virtue

It will be over soon.:rofl:

:P

...the Grand Jury is considering whether or not to indict Bush himself, or simply name him as an unindicted co-conspirator. It's a pretty big decision. Let's give them some leeway, eh? And also allow them a decent amount of time to hide. :)

Not trying to be negative :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

So far it hasn't lived up to it's potential. It's waiting for indictments.

if he does indict at the 11th hour, it will be 10x more dramatic than if he'd filed at 8 a.m. on Tuesday morning. Every reporter in the world will be wanting to write about it.

Fitz is a law and order guy. He'll get it done right.

LOL.

Longtime poster too I see.

:sarcasm:

If you read some of the rumors, Rove has been 'negotiating' since yesterday or the day before. Every move has to go through his lawyers and others. Try to imagine what it is like when real justice is in progress. Good lawyers try not to get tripped up with legal technicalities which can cause a case to be thrown out.

Pshaw!

As this thread was turning into a flamefest, and as the indictments have occurred already, this thread serves no further purpose!

Thanks!