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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:15 AM
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NYT: F.B.I. Is Still Seeking Source of Forged Uranium Reports
(Emphasis mine)

By DOUGLAS JEHL
Published: October 28, 2005
WASHINGTON, Oct. 27 - A two-year inquiry by the Federal Bureau of Investigation has yet to uncover the origin of forged documents that formed a basis for sending an envoy on a fact-finding trip to Niger, a mission that eventually exploded into the C.I.A. leak inquiry, law enforcement and intelligence officials say.

A counterespionage official said Wednesday that the inquiry into the documents, which were intended to show that Iraq was seeking uranium for a nuclear weapons program, had yielded some intriguing but unproved theories

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The continuing inquiry into the source of the forged documents has been conducted separately from the investigation by the special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald into the leak case, which has to do with whether Bush administration officials committed crimes related to disclosing the identity of Mr. Wilson's wife, an undercover C.I.A. officer.

Law enforcement officials say they do not believe that the two issues are related. The documents were among the sources of President Bush's claim in a 16-word passage of his State of the Union speech in 2003, later retracted, that Iraq was seeking to obtain uranium from Africa.

more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/28/politics/28niger.html
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:19 AM
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1. Does the source really matter
more than just the act of using it?

The French also recieved one of the copies and then threw it in the trash where it belongs :shrug:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:39 AM
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6. I think it matters quite a bit.
The difference being "we were duped by bad intel on Saddams WMD" vs. "we manufactured the forgeries to give us evidence to invade". I think this answer changes the dynamic from 'incompetence' to 'criminal intent to mislead the country'.

I have no doubts that this administration weas the prime mover for getting someone to make the forgeries....and I doubt that the FBI is pursuing this with any aggressive investigation. Just like they couldn't find the anthrax perps.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:24 AM
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7. Hence
and I doubt that the FBI is pursuing this with any aggressive investigation. Just like they couldn't find the anthrax perps.

the sarcasm
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:20 AM
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2. So are they looking for the big fish? Fitz already has one
AP 10/27/05 I. Lewis Libby




Merry Fitzmas
Treason is the Reason for the Season
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:24 AM
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3. Ha ha ha!
That's a fine big fish! :D
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:31 AM
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4. This article seems to doubt the FBI's interest.
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 12:34 AM by caligirl
"Why hasn’t the FBI arrested anyone at the AIPAC? Who in the Bush administration is blocking justice in this case?

For that matter, why hasn’t the FBI interviewed Rocco Martino, the acknowledged and admitted procurer of the phony Niger uranium documents? They are known to be investigating the phony documents.

The United States has had no qualms about getting audacious in Italy by having the CIA abduct an Egyptian cleric, Abu Omar, off the streets of Milan in February 2003, for "exceptional rendering," aka "torture," in Egypt. This open violation of Italian sovereignty was supervised by the CIA’s station chief in Milan, Robert Seldon Lady, formerly of the New Orleans area.

Lady Is No "lady": ROBERT SELDON LADY

It is my belief that the "Italian functionary," or "a lady," that Martino referred to was actually a Lady, Robert Seldon Lady Sr, the same man who headed up the torture abduction of Abu Omar."

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7256
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 10:14 AM
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14. I have LESS THAN little confidence in the FBI.
Almost all their case findings or lack of findings have benefitted RepubliCONs.

From When Ho Lee's during-Clintons-time arrest to Martha Stewart's lying FBI science.
From nary-an-anthrax clue to what-Plame-outing.
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JJackFlash Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:12 PM
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18. Federal Bureau to prosecute Dems
Agreed.
Former director Louis Freeh is now going around explaining why it was far more important to fully investigate every trumped-up repug claim against President Clinton than to do his damn job bringing the agency into the 21st century and investigating terrorist threats to the nation. What an asswipe.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:42 AM
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5. A money making scheme?
That's a possible motive for forging the documents? That makes no sense to me. It could be the ones who were looking to make money off the forgeries knew they needed a 'slam dunk' to make sure an invasion happened. Cheney and Halliburton anyone? Am I overreaching here?

When bush said his infamous 16 words at the State of the Union in July of 2003, the CIA already knew these were forged documents. The regime hung their hat on them as if they were fact and kept pushing the whole 'mushroom cloud' bit until they had people cowering under tables.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:52 AM
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8. I think this is disinformation (in the NYT article). Will they never...
...learn?

"The continuing inquiry into the source of the forged documents has been conducted separately from the investigation by the special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald in the leak case." --NYT

Oh yeah? Then why did Fitzgerald ask the Italian gov't for an unredacted copy of their report on the Niger forgeries--and furthermore ask that AIPAC/Franklin prosecutor McNulty be permitted to review it?

"Law enforcement officials say they do not believe that the two issues are related." --NYT

What crap.

I think this disinformation is intended to point away from Israel, the chief foreign lobbyist for the Iraq war, besides double (triple?) agent Chalabi.

I think one of the things they need to learn is that nothing that the Bush junta has done/is doing is enhancing Israel's security. In fact it's all steamrolling toward a nuclear war in the Middle East--one that none of us will survive. (Read Carl Sagan's "The Cold and the Dark," about the impacts on the planet of even a limited nuclear exchange.)

The NYT has become completely unreliable.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:54 AM
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9. If the FBI uses all of the methods and tactics they used in the Anthrax...
case, then we'll never know, will we? How's that Anthrax case going guys? What's that--a cold trail? Hmmm.....same thing with the Yellow Cake documents you say? Hammmm....gee, I'm stumped! :shrug:
The question begs to be asked, does the FBI really WANT to know? Has the FBI become an unofficial branch of the bush/neo-con cabal? The FBI seems to be blowing a lot of investigations lately. These criminals must be getting VERY smart if they can constantly outwit 'the finest investigative agency in the world'. :eyes:
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shantipriya Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:57 AM
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10. FBI & Inquiry
As long as the present Administration is in power , there won't be any independent and honest onvestigation of any kind for uncovering the deeds of Shrub and his administration.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:13 AM
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11. NYT Effort to Delink the Plame Case from the Franklin OSP-AIPAC Spy Case
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 08:16 AM by leveymg
Do you also see the same news management methods at work -- selective reporting, falsification, and minimization of key facts -- in this article as in Judy Miller's WMD reporting?

Are Judy Miller's editors now at work trying to cover-up the role of Michael Ledeen, Manoucher Ghorbanifar and the OSP cabal in the Niger forgeries?

This is yet another scandal in the making for the NYT, which I no longer trust as a secondary source.

When is an investigative journalist going to perform a very necessary public service and delve in the details of how the NYT became an instrument of the neocons? Or, is everyone afraid because this subject is another sure career-ender? :eyes:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:31 AM
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12. They just have to look on the internet
All the FBI have to do is go to Google and all the info they want is there? Why waste all this time:)
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:41 AM
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13. It was signed" 'scooter" what's the prob? n/t
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 10:50 AM
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15. DUers have known for a VERY long time which way to look.....
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 10:57 AM by loudsue
So how come the intelligence agencies don't know??

Besides, why the FBI instead of the CIA getting to the bottom of this?

Isn't the FBI the agency that deals with DOMESTIC crimes? Doesn't the CIA deal with INTERNATIONAL issues?? :freak:

This is SOOOOO MUCH BULLSHIT!!! Let's BLAST the NYT with what we, diligent DUers KNOW about the Plame leak, about Michael Ledeen, Manoucher Ghorbanifar and all that we found through the "Plame Thread" investigations? They seem to still be in JudithMillerMode, and it's time that bloggers started helping them out a little with their so-called "investigative journalism".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3988991

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=66773

The NYT propaganda is sooo WMD's. Somebody over there needs to set their alarm a little bit earlier, and get busy digging.

:kick::kick::kick:

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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 11:15 AM
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16. It's Chalabi
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 11:16 AM by kurth
Probably made by one of his extended family members or trusted cronies in Jordan or Lebanon.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:24 PM
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17. In the Caiman Islands
with the anthrax killer and other assorted criminals saved by the "can't go there" detour signs of national security.
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