I am a softie, I guess

I felt really, really bad when I cound out that Scooter Libby has young kids. Libby needs to get what is coming to him, for sure. But you have to feel for his family in this.

Good luck to him when they become teenagers.

That's one of the saddest aspects. Those kids don't deserve that!

What about Valerie Plame's career? My goodness, her life before this was girls dream. The women's James Bond. What a role model. Her life was stolen from her. Where is the outrage for her?

deserves. He was so caught up in "the cause" that he ignored his obligations to his family.

This is an example of what the Neocon's priorities are.

Which I understand as being part of your point. :)

I think the poster was trying to say it's a shame this is happening to his kids, but not a shame that it's happening to him.

Kinda like my weekend trip to the mom-in-law. I'm glad I went but I wish I wouldn't have gone.

Sucks.

that have died in Iraq? Remember the bottom line--he did this to justify an illegal war.

Absolutely.

I feel sorry for his kids anyway. I mean, this is only what he was caught doing, who knows what kind of a liar he is. Obviously one that goes along with torture, and that made him subhuman in my book. You can only hope for the best, for his kids.

Libby brought this on himself. He is responsible for the affects on his kids.

When you read about 18, 19, 20 boys and girls that were killed in action, it just burns me! :mad: :nuke:

And for what?

F-you Libby and the "evil doers" known as the Bush Adminstration.

There are kids who are now orphans because their parents died in Iraq and/or Afghainstan. :(

many families now have dead or dismembered fathers. Fuck Libby's family!!!

she chose (and perhaps enabled) a sleazy criminal.

Libby may have lead a double life. :shrug: Maybe she didn't know he was a bastard.

There's hope he can finger Cheney still and see them again. You made my night!

How far will he really go when it could mean his kids grow up without daddy? I hope he flips -- for the sake of his kids and, of course, for the sake of our republic.

which makes him an accomplice in mass-murder and innumerable war crimes.

He has victimized his own children by dishonoring his office, and lying before a grand jury. Sorry for his kids, but Libby and all those bastards need to GO AWAY.

I am sure Jenna and Barbara are not bad people, but their father deserves the same fate as Sadaam Hussein.

Jenna and Barbara are, at least, adults. Geez, I'd hate to be the one to have to explain to Libby's young kids that daddy has to go away because he is a war-mongering, lying, treasonous bastard. Talk about your childhood trauma!

emotion I feel is relief that the long slide is beginning. Don't forget that Libby is a member of PNAC. A really evil bunch of traitors.

But I have a young child. And I am a softie when it comes to kids.

The pain and torture and yes, death of innocents far outreach this man's children. As progressives we too often base our immediate reaction in too narrow of a confine. Sure it is easy to feel bad for a few people, now feel bad for literally thousands, if not millions of those who have been affected by these lies.

There are no excuses and his metaphorical crutch must not dissuade our growing outrage and disgust.

But, as I said above: I'd hate to be the one to have to explain to Libby's young kids that daddy has to go away because he is a war-mongering, lying, treasonous bastard. Talk about your childhood trauma!

Does not jibe with the atrocities that have been committed by these nightmares. You do not ennoble yourself or the cause by narrowing this down to a few childeren that were fathered by him. Get the priorities in line and focus on the real target.

inability to see that these children are 'equal victims' only demonstrates the shallow "my boo-boo's are worse than YOURS" mentality that keeps this f...d up world stuck in the situation it is-

Maybe you were one who is fortunate to have been fathered by someone you can respect, or at least not be ashamed, or hurt by ( i am lucky in that way myself) but his children are EVERY bit as worthy as YOU- or i or the children of Iraq- Afghanistan, Rwanda, Somalia, NOLA, or... like it or not- the assholes who run america-

You may be aiming for the target, but you are blind to those who may be standing between it, and what YOU want- namely those who didn't ask to be harmed- or participate in this mess, but pay the price for those in power-

EVERY person matters - every single person harmed through no fault of their own- but simply because of a 'fluke' of who, where, and when they were born-

Any other position is one of bigotry and prejudice-

sorry for the anger- but i'm sick to DEATH of this whole politicizing of compassion- and denial that we are all a part of 'the whole'-

I happen to disagree with that blanket statement. Not every person matters. There are people who simply do not matter, by virtue of what they do or what they are or what they have done.

You, my friend, are demanding that all agree with you, and you're trying to cloak it under the rubric of "politicizing of compassion," as if your sense of things somehow corners the market on how people feel about things.

You do like to call people "bigots," I see, so I guess that's what you do when someone doesn't agree with you, betraying your own profound lack, not only of compassion, but tolerance and respect.

Check the mirror, then report back about compassion.

you think things through in you work abit more thoroughly than you have in your responses to me-
You say every person does NOT matter-, and then go on to somehow justify that by saying they don't matter by virtue of what they (individually) do, or have done.
Which IN FACT is proof positive of MY statement EVERY person matters.
Libby, being looked at as an individual seems to have done some very unacceptable, harmful, and reprehensible things- If you 'judge' HIM on what he, the man himself has done,- (or is alleged to have done) then you are doing exactly what I advocate.
When, however, you are discounting the pain his offspring will and are bearing as a result of an accident of birth- then you aren't judging them by "virtue of what they do ....or what they have done" you are judging them on 'what they are' (in your estimation) which i'm sorry to point out to you is a perfect example of prejudice -bigotry- in action.-

from Houghton Mifflin on discrimination:
"Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice: racial discrimination; discrimination against foreigners."

I don't call your statements bigotry because you 'disagree with me' or because I'm intolerant, or lack compassion or respect, but rather because your statement that his children (who neither of us know) should be judged not as children of 'privilege' but as the individuals they are.

You say you don't care about them- because of 'what' they are-

I've learned, much to my shame, and regret, that I have often judged people of wealth not as individuals, or by their actions, but as a 'class' of people who I CHOSE to demean collectively- which I now know, is no less wrong, than hating or demeaning those who differ from 'me' in any other way- rather than by the 'works, actions, or deeds' that they (as individuals) do, advocate, and/or endorse.

And, no i do NOT like to call anyone anything- but I will speak up when those who have no 'voice' are condemned, without reason, without the opportunity to speak for themselves, and most especially without compassion.

Because i do care- even about those who disagree with me, or discount my voice because it isn't a comfortable one to hear.

peace to You OldleftieLawyer-

I mean that- from the heart.
You can do with it what you see fit.

blu

also had kids. I'll reserve my sympathy for them.

I knew he had two, but I hadn't been able to find any information about them.

But I have read that they are "pre-adolescent."

Of course, I feel much, much worse for the kids who LOST a parent because of Libby's actions. At least Libby's kids will be able to visit him in jail.

But, once again: I'd hate to be the one to have to explain to Libby's young kids that daddy has to go away because he is a war-mongering, lying, treasonous bastard. Talk about your childhood trauma

Pity the kids. They're going to have some rough years ahead.

Daddy? Not so much.

attempts to justify the suffering of those we call our enemies Lucky-
I applaud you for looking beyond the surface, to see the common bond between yourself, and the innocent children of a man who did much harm-
THAT is what will change this world- please don't lose it-

It doesn't matter shit what scooter deserves- his children had no say in who they were born to, or raised by- and their lives are every BIT as precious and venerable as the lives of the innocents on ALL sides of this human farce- the Afghani, Iraqi, military, and purely in the wrong place at the wrong time sufferers of the actions of those in control, power, and authority are all victims-

And what is worse, is the reality that who can they 'hate' or blame without having to hate and blame a 'part' of themselves- at least the Iraqi's can blame the invaders, Saddam, or any number of other 'outsiders' and the children of slain, wounded, and changed military folks can blame 'the enemy' but when your own father IS the enemy.... and you are flesh of his flesh- how can you not hate yourself, especially with the emotional maturity of an adolescent, or child-

If we truly are people of character, compassion, and fairness (something NEED to believe actually still exists in this world) then that should extend to ALL- even the children of those we call 'bad' or see as agents of great harm, and evil- anything less is no different than the 'status quo' which is why we are in this hell hole to begin with-

THEY are us- and we ARE them- mercy is never something we can have too much of-

I think many mis-read my post as a desire for the courts to be light on Scooter. I, of course, never meant that.

If Scooter were able to consider the welfare the Iraqi kids whose or those of the U.S. soldiers... well maybe we would not be in this mess. And his kids would not be facing the prospect of dad "going away."

of what those in authority over us have done- we should be seen as individuals, and valued as equals- ALWAYS.

Your post is a very bright light in a dark world- and a ray of hope to me, at a time i can really use one-

thanks again.

blu

Humanity!

Your ability to view the world w/such beautiful compassion is an absolute treasure. Thank you for sharing your thoughts so eloquently! :hug:

now i'm weeping.....
i was expecting to read more ugly hate....
i just wrote my fuck the world post-
and you pop up and say
.... you are not alone....

life has been so very hard this last week especially- and the postings on this thread have dishartened me so much...

thank you for your kind, timely and compassionate words-
i'm sorry i'm such an asshole

i'm grateful there ARE people who care.... no matter how much that caring hurts-

hugs back to you-
i'm gonna go sob myself to sleep for awhile...
thank you Sapphire Blue.... and all who do care for even the least of the least...you are the hope in this darkness.

and shared by more than you know. For those who are normally compassionate, this cabal has severely tested our resolve not to become them.

I think it was Shakespeare who said the quality of mercy is not strained, it falleth like the gentle rain from Heaven'

I hope we do not lose our humanity in our struggle to rid this country and the world of their evil presence. But there is a sense of urgency now as more and more people are harmed by Scooter Libby's policies, and we know they see compassion as weakness.

I don't think those who have disagreed with you would have done so were there not this terrible threat to so many innocent people in the world. But many of us wonder if we can still afford the luxury of being compassionate until they are gone.

Still, your passionate posts have made me think that we must not give them that also, because while may we think it is only temporary, once the soul is lost, it is very hard to get it back. Libby and his neocon friends are a testament to that.

So, I admire you for being true to your heart in these times ~ and for reminding us that maybe we can do both ~ hold onto our souls, while fighting off the evil they have brought to the world.

... "keep your compassion coming" and "... mercy is never something we can have too much of"

There is hope in this darkness, there is hope for humanity... we have the ability to light up this darkness... we will light up this darkness. Bluerthanblue, you are a light shining in this darkness which I appreciate. :hug:

In the words of the Rev. Martin Luther King, from his I've Been to the Mountaintop speech - "... we, as a people will get to the promised land."

(A link to this speech is in my sig line... when you're feeling pulled down by negativity around you, take a few minutes to listen to it.)

and i thank you so much for your heart

if i recall correctly we have talked before and on this very subject
i think you were feeling a little down and needed some support

you have a beautiful heart and maybe dont feel/see yourself mirrored in society but you clearly havent given up on love and mercy

heres to you with that strength and that beauty
may we continue to hold each other up.... every one of us

love them, but they are ruthless

I don't feel sorry for that sack of shit....

2000 moms have lost their kids to his lies.

I am sure his future ivy league aimed little demon spawn will do just fine.

I hope his cell mate is HIV positive.

How young can his kids be?

Sorry, but no one forced him to do any of this. Unlike the dead Americans who left little kids and widows and widowers and parents who are now childless, because of what Irving did.

Fuck him. He did it all deliberately, and, I might add, maliciously. He cares nothing for anyone or anything but his neocons, his power, and his twisted philosophy.

Let him rot. At least his kids might get to visit their father. Other kids get to visit a plot in a cemetery.

Fuck him.

I never, ever said I felt bad for Libby HIMSELF. He did this to his family. But the kids (who, I understand are young) are innocent.

in your saying his kids somehow deserve what they are living through?
They didn't have any choice- and they are no less the victim than any child put into a position of suffering by the actions of the adults who they live under.

You have every right to feel as you do about a person who did wrong- but his kids didn't have ANY role in this- and blinding yourself to that is bigotry and quite simply wrong-

I've not seen any sympathy uttered here on DU for the children of the dead soldiers.

Selective sympathy for millionaires' kids, the people known as "fortunate sons," eludes me, as does conveniently and suspiciously timed sincerity and compassion for the children of indicted White House staffers.

Lament the fate of Scooter's children all you want (how old are they, anyway?) - I don't care about them, and I find the pious posturing about Libby's kids here offensive when you consider the children left without one parent because of Libby's actions.

Or are people only capable of feeling empathy for select groups of people at once?

I just don't care about his kids. They're not relevant to what's been done to my country, not relevant to the matter at hand, and, frankly, Irv Libby's personal life is none of my business, none of my concern.

His indictment is meaningful to me and the allegations about what he did, in his official capacity, matter to me.

His family? I care as much about his as he does about mine.

That's my reality. It obviously doesn't square with yours. They're both valid.

all I'm saying is HE IS THE SCUMBAG for doing this to them. Now, thanks to him, these kids are possibly going to have a father in prison for the next 30 years. That's my point.

idea of 'right'- "I care as much about his as he does mine"-
then you are the biggest loser-

Because, the only person you, "OldLeftieLawyer" have any real control over, are allowing another person to dictate your actions- actions that you claim are WRONG- (and I happen to agree with your assessment of Libby, and also believe the focus should be upon him, and his actions) are the ones you choose to practice in response.

Your first statement " I don't care about his kids, they're not relevant to what's been done to my country, not relevant to the matter at hand... none of my concern"- could have been spoken about the lives of all of the "collateral damage" (pretty words for ugly deeds) done to thousands upon thousands in Afghanistan, Iraq, and numerous other 'irrelevant' personal lives- , ... by all of the politicians and 'revenge' seeking vigilantes who don't want to see- and ACKNOWLEDGE that many people suffer for the actions of a 'few' and sometimes 'one'.

Does that mean don't go after Libby? ABSOLUTELY NOT-!! but, the original poster wasn't saying that- they were simply pointing out how even the children of people who CHOOSE to do harmful things, end up being victims- and how sad it is that they don't stop to think about that, when they take the actions that they do.

Reality is 'relative' as you say- but validity is not synonymous with 'moral- just- fair- appropriate- or acceptable' ways of living as members of a common planet.

Do you think Gandhi was a jerk? Do you think he was an asshole for saying we must "BE THE CHANGE WE WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD"? I don't- that is the whole point of this entire posting and thread.

Giving back like for like only keeps the downward spiral continuing.
The only positive about that is eventually we will hit bottom forever-

and the end will have been achieved by we who love to justify our 'means'.

much better put- and exactly the point-

but, that takes looking at individuals, individually- not in 'clumps' or affiliations.

Which is in reality a form of bigotry and prejudice- regardless of the denial.

and your gloss on my words is unappealing and inaccurate.

I just think this posturing about Libby's kids - who will continue to live their lives of privilege - is selective, and falsely pious.

So you feel free to call me, of all things, a "bigot" because I don't agree with you?

Nice.

Would have rather sucked for them if their Mom happened to be overseas working in some third world dictatorship with delusions of power when word went out that she was a spy.

What I hate most about what these brutal neocons have done to all of us is that normally compassionate people know that with these criminals you can't give in to compassion. They will use it and abuse and get back on top and crush their compassionate sympathizers as soon as they have no use for them anymore.

Libby had zero concern for the little children of Baghdad who either died under his bombs (I saw the pictures) or were left orphaned and sometimes limbless and scarred all for his delusional obsessions, and his neocon and corporate friends' of course.

I am normally one to feel sorry even for the worst criminal once they are off the street. Sorry for how they could have been.

I fight feeling any sympathy for these thugs now, as it is against my nature to hate or to be unforgiving, and to do so I have to remind myself of the little Iraqi girl covered in her parents blood on the side of the road, surrounded by armed strangers, screaming. How about her future? Has Libby or any one of them ever even looked at those pictures and had a single moment of remorse, for her, for the soldiers who will have to live with that nightmare scenario all the rest of their lives? I doubt it. All he could think of was maintaining the lies they told and their power no matter who had to be destroyed ~ he would gladly have seen Joe Wilson or Valerie Plame dead and their children orphaned, rather than give up his lie.

So, yes, I feel for his children, but then I know what they will be told. 'Your daddy is a hero who was praised by the POTUS for all he did for his country. But his enemies unjustly accused him of crimes he did not commit'. And, they will believe that most likely which is probably just as well. They will never want for anything. The rightwing takes care of its own so long as they play along.

But what about those little Iraqi children or the children of the troops?

Libby cared nothing for them, because he cared nothing for his own children either. Jail may cause him to reflect on all that he had and bring a new appreciation for the things he threw away, and the evil he has done. And it may make him a better father, a better man, which was certainly not going to happen until someone stopped him.

TREASON against his country. Now his kids know just how corrupt and slimy their daddy is.

We all got kids, we all got people we love, and Libby made his choices, so let his kids know their father's character.

he obviously didn't-

And finding compassion for his children, who are indeed 'innocent victims' as well- is not something to be hissed at for, or belittled for-

The fact is, each one of us should think long and hard about our actions, because not one of us truly realize, or comprehend the potential effects our own personal choices may have on those who least deserve to be harmed, or negatively influenced by what we do-

And seeing the harm done is the beginning of understanding the implications of selfish, or impulsive actions. And great encouragement towards choosing to live lives of integrity, thoughtful purpose, and with the knowledge that our actions can and often do have huge ripple effects....

No one here is defending what Libby is accused of doing- not as I read it- they are simply pointing out the paradox that even being a 'child of privilege' doesn't protect you from being hurt by the actions of a person who is willing to compromise anything, to gain ... what???
Power? Money? Control?- at what cost.???

We all bleed- we all die- no amount of anything will change that. And these kids are victims too.- Of their own father- no money will ever 'fix' that.

Too many kids go through life without really seeing the consequences of dishonesty and other bad personality traits. They have to learn it through their own missteps. His kids are now seeing up close and personal what happens when you lie "repeatedly and under oath". If they have even a medium IQ, they should come out of this experience with some really well developed character. Sadly, that can travel backward up the family tree.

I think they'll be just fine. As many have pointed out, they're alive, which is more than 2000 other Americans and countless Iraqis can say.

I meant "that CAN'T travel backward throught the family tree".

Sorry! :blush:

...Wilson's kids, did he? Libby should have backed off when he had the chance...now it's too late.

terms. So the punishment indicates this to be as bad. I don't feel sorry for the children when a murderer is put away from them. His children are better off not being raised by a criminal.

in danger. Twins...Little ones. 5 years old. Perhaps his children will learn something from their father's Compassionate Conservatism and grow up to be better people for it.

Joe Wilson will be talking about that on 60 Minutes tomorrow night. I wonder how many times Libby's wife or children have been threatened?:grr: Libby didn't give 2 shits about the Wilson's 5 year old twins, did he?

away. both iraqi families who have done nothing to deserve losing babies, children, mothers, sons, fathers...... and the soldiers families who have children to raise and mothers to honor bdays without their children

Seabeyond.
It's not difficult to find enormous compassion for them. Iraqi, Afghani, American, Brittish, and everything in between. They truly are innocent victims of the evil deeds of a few corrupt, selfish, powerhungry and greedy individuals-
It's not quite as easy to see the humanity that exists in the 'enemy' camp though. Demonizing, and de-humanizing people based on the fact that 'they' are part of the 'them' is what has us in this mess though. Don't you think???

It is very little solace to the kids, wives, husbands, lovers, friends etc that those who died for the lies of this administration died .... 'with integrety' or at least doing what they believed honorable- but imagine the shame, scorn, and betrayal that would come along with the knowledge that your 'parent' cared so little about anything but their own agenda, that they were willing to do anything to 'get what they wanted'. Clearly the actions weren't ones of love in the most genuine sense- but of selfish myoptic carelessness. Maybe they (the Libby kids, Bush twins and others) may have money- but they also, deep down- have guilt, shame, self-hatred and abandonment issues- and they will suffer in the end- more than many of us will ever know.

I weep for all those who are reaping this rotten harvest- on ALL sides- because of greed, lust, and the desire to dominate.

peace-
blu

i just talked with a friend for a couple hours. my kids went to a christian school for 6 years. until the hate and anger and fear drove us away from this school. talking to this friend who still has a son in this school and his needs not being met, this is what took so many hours in our chat. it is ultimately, the capability of this school, adn meeting this childs need, how it is win win for all. what we need in this world. not the battle of fear and hate of the old testament, but the lite of the new testament and jesus. and giving the school the opportunity once again, to allow win win. they are in need of this experience

yes to what you say in your post. i couldnt agree with you more.

Shit makes sense when you look into it long enough - it also starts to smell.

So that it can be properly mocked.

I am just saying that, as a parent, I would not want to be the one to have to tell the kids: "Your daddy is a treasonous, lying, war-mongering bastard and, as such, will be going away for a while."

But hey, if you want to heap scorn on his innocent little kids based on some "sins of the father" ethic, I can't stop you.

not want to be the one to have to tell the kids: "Your draft notice came"--or "You have to go along with enlistment now, because you were so foolish (being only 18) and you naively fell for what that recruiter who pestered you at high school was promising you". Nor do I ever want to tell MY kid: "Your brother died in Iraq today."

FUCK LIBBY AND ALL HIS RELATIVES. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANY OF THEM. I CARE ABOUT THE CHILDREN OF THE INNOCENT CITIZENS--CHILDREN WHO NAIVELY ENLISTED AND GOT KILLED IN THIS FRAUDULENT WAR, BECAUSE OF BASTARDS LIKE LIBBY!

And what's a guy in his fifties doing with "small children", anyway? How many wives has he gone through so far, anyway?? It is not morally right to bring children in the world if you might DIE before they even reach maturity.

all he has to do talk, and "finger Cheney!" It's his choice! (Hmmm... go to jail to protect snarlin' Darth Cheney, or tell the truth to stay home with li'l Scooter Junior and Scooterette. Such a dilemma!) :crazy:

...is this really the voice of the democratic party?

Fuck anyone who is 'them'- regardless of whether they are kids born into a family- who had no say at all in the deeds done by those in authority over them???

Well, lets just kill all the children of republicans then- after all 'they' are no-account republican evil trash.

My mother was an INCREDIBLE embarrasement to me- and a cause of much physical, mental, and societial pain- She was severly mentally ill in an era when that was seen as being akin to being a 'witch' in Salem.
The shame i carry, and the self-disgust, and scars on my soul are far harder than the physical and mental wounds that remain- and that set me on a path in life that was one I regret, and struggle with even today-...... perhaps being 'judged' as the equivlent of a leper is just a part of the disease- and i hope this world goes to hell in the handbasket we all seem so eager to weave for everyone 'else'- but refuse to sit in ourselves-

fuck this world- fuck politics- fuck humanity- there is no nirvana- no goodness anwhere that isn't tainted with hate.

What I was trying to say is that Libby doesn't have to go to jail. Fitzgerald indicted him for the very reason that his lying has, up until THIS point, successfully covered up for the underlying crime. I feel for Mr. Libby and his family too. He's not the prime mover in the White House plot. But if he has a proper sense of loyalty, he will be loyal to his kids and family, tell the TRUTH now that he has jail time hanging over him, and let justice move on to the REAL culprit or culprits - I'm guessing Cheney.

i shouldn't be reading here, and posting right now-
i'm not in a very good 'place'-
I miss-read your intent. And while I'm angry at Mr. Libby- i can't help but feel for his kids- And I agree, he's likely the sacrifical lamb... well not really, because he DID do things that were clearly wrong- but he's not, as you wisely say the ...'head' of the beast, just a small potato in a poisonous stew....

again, i'm sorry for my outburst.

i need to go crawl into a hole for awhile.
I'm a wounded animal right now...
Thank you for your rational and gentle reply.-
its more than i deserved-

blu

This whole affair is about ensuring that the invasion and occupation of Iraq took place. At the costs of 2000+ American dead and God only knows how many Iraqis - for nothing except the ambitions of his bosses.

As for his family, they'll probably get by on the millions he's stashed, and will hardly miss him for the few months (if that) he'll get after the plea bargain. Not to mention the proceeds from the book.

The shame, the embarrassment, the loss of a parent to jail,
unemployment etc.

I always feel sorry for kids whose parents put them in harm's way.

penalty. That means Bush, Cheney and Rove being held politically responsible for these criminal episodes. I don't really want to see anyone go to jail or be perp walked. I am opposed to perp walks on principle.

I suspect that Scooter's will have advantages that most of those children will never experience. Perhaps Mr. Libby should have considered his obligations to his children before trying to destroy the Wilsons.

As usual.

BUT... I am just saying that, as a parent, I would not want to be the one who has to tell the kids: "Your daddy is a treasonous, lying, war-mongering bastard and, as such, will be going away for a while."

But hey, if you want to heap scorn on Libby's innocent little kids based on some "sins of the father" ethic, I can't stop you.

But we cannot get all squishy about the justice that this man deserves. Everyone who chooses a path of evil leaves destruction in his wake.

Mercy sometimes allows evil to continue. The discomfort that his family might endure is a good trade off for the lives that will be saved now that this man cannot add "the architect of the Syrian war" to his resume.

I'm sorry, but Mr Libby doesn't give a damn about other people's children, and apparently doesn't give a damn about his own either.

I feel bad about the fact that any child would be cursed by having someone like him as a father, but the fact that he chose to hurt both his and Plame's children by playing his little game is entirely his own responsibility.

I personally hope that he fries.

to show you just how coldbloodedly mad I am at these bastards, I don't even care if his kids were to fry with them. LIBBY (ALONG WITH HIS FELLOW NEOCONS) IS GUILTY OF THE MURDER OF AT LEAST 2000 KIDS!

he did to those twins' mom, aka Valerie Plame?

Libby, like the rest of the PNACers, cares about only one thing: POWER (oh, and money, too).

The children of criminals suffer. But think about the children of soldiers who will never return from Iraq......think about the children of pot smokers whose parents are lost to them for YEARS over that BS. Libby's kids will just have to do the best they can, like so many others. They don't get an EXTRA dose of sympathy from me because Daddy was a bigshot.

like Lewis (Michael J. Fox's Character) said in The American President: "It's always the guy in my position that ends up spending 10 years in the (Can't remember which)Minimum security facility." You know it goes higher. I know he's involved, but he's not the brains of the thing. This guy is just the one they're letting take the fall.
Duckie

the Scoot himself.

They get no sympathy from me. In fact, it is probably bettwer in the long run if that freak isn't raising his kids. Let them visit poppy in JAIL!

people's kids, but the focus should be on his kids.

That's all you need to get sympathy, to have kids.

http://www.thebiographychannel.co.uk/new_site/biography.php?id=800&showgroup=1052

If any pangs of sympathy arise, just remember the horrible pics we saw every day of Iraqi children burned and bloodied because of Libby. This was HIS war, this is what obsessed him day and night, he was driven to have HIS war. His kids are better off without the daily influence of anyone that evil. If Libby rots in jail for 10 years it will be a blessing for his kids in the long run.

No kid is more or less worthy cause of their parents.

No need to harden our hearts to some kids, but not others.

The young kids are all very vulnerable and innocent and should be protected.

Just a dream, that was just a dream...that's me in the corner...losing my religion...

religion- it's not ok to lose your faith- or hope.

that kills.

If you are a dreamer- remember your not the only one- we need to join together, encourage each other, as others have encouraged me here- and as we know to be the 'only path' with a chance of true change. Imagine that, like John the Lennon sang- and the world CAN hope to live as one.

Hate is an equal opportunity destroyer. Boycott bigotry and predjudice.
Teach Peace.

Plant hope, not hate-
It is the only crop worth culltivating, and harvesting.

"All kids are innocent"
No kid is more or less worthy cause of their parents.

No need to harden our hearts to some kids, but not others.

The young kids are all very vulnerable and innocent and should be protected.



The offspring of Poppy & Babs :scared:

They weren't protected, unfortunately.

Now the world needs protection from them.

:(

Any family member of this horrible group. But Libby did know what he was getting into. He should've thought about his family. :(

I'm an old softie, too, and I feel his children may now have an opportunity to be raised by someone with integrity and they might actually learn basic values. Certainly, their father has provided them with a great negative example to learn from. Hopefully, THEY'LL be told the truth...that their daddy got caught telling a bunch of big fat LIES!

i see what this thread is REALLY about.

kinda warped "reframing" going on here, smells like "internet spy"/agent provacateur stuff.

why talk about the real issue, let's skew it by drawing his kids into it . . .

hmm . . . is this predicated on some core "family values" -driven belief or assumption?

How paranoid. I merely expressed an honest reaction.

by these serial killers!

NGU.

But I'm sure they sleep in warm, safe beds every night, have access to good health care and good schools, eat well each day, and don't want for a thing in the world.

I wish I could say that for Iraqi children. Hell, I wish I could say that for most AMERICAN children.

Sorry, I can't work up a lot of sympathy here. They'll have access to some great counseling and great schools. They'll most likely be fine.

And their father will most likely squeal in exchange for a lesser sentence/plea bargain and Fitz getting some bigger fish to fry. So I don't worry too much about his kids.

you might want to have a listen-

Sometimes dying young, and loved, is a treasure that many would kill for- and do- themselves that is-

All the counselling in the world, all the money and 'good schools' and 'food' and 'things' mean SHIT if you are missing the most important thing- being loved. Truly loved-



i'm ashamed of the people who call themselves 'different' than those among the 'compassionate conservitive hypocrites' yet it seems, only care about those who belong on the 'good' team-

screw this-
if this is the 'party platform' i'll take a flyin leap-
'our base' is all that matters?

same shit, different label