The sad thing is, * could have probably gotten his war without the lies

Seriously!

The problem is, he could not have gotten it quite so quickly. He would have had to wait probably an additional year, but I'm convinced that Hussein would have gone wonky over the inspectors and it would have been enough to get a resolution from the U.N. and a broad coalition to take him down.

The other problem is, a broad coalition would not have allowed Halliburton free reign to rape Iraq!

I said at the time that he didn't have to lie. All he had to do was point out that we won the first Gulf War and that Saddam had repeatedly violated the terms of the cease fire (by hassling inspectors).

They didn't have to lie about WMD. They could have appealed to the broad American belief that when somebody thumbs their nose at us, we have the right to kick their ass.

Seriously. That is all it would have taken to get approval.

...he couldn't wait, AIPAC was breathing down their neck, and Bush was trigger happy.

Halliburton is not the issue, per se. Bush did not to be bound by international standards of conduct a true coalition would have demanded. Ironically, American ideals had much to do with shaping those standards ...

Simply, Bush is un-American.

I probably could have gotten on board.

On top of that, I don't think we'd have a resentful insurgency nor do I think we'd have 2000 dead American troopers.

Plus there would probably be a fair and equitable democratic government established in Iraq by now well on its way to becoming a model for the world's troubled nations with despotic leaders.

the more Iraqi's we lose to the other side.

A simple, inexorable dynamic ... actually quite well explained by Star Wars. We should all know this by now.

fyi: saddam was cooperating with the most intrusive inspections ever and there is 0 reason for him to not knowing bush was looking for any pretext to invade.

invading IRAQ successfully was and is nothing more than a neoCON pipe dream that some DLCers know they would have done it better.

peace

people forget: the biggest issue to the gopigs, which might still cost them, is their theft of the 2k election. few believe this, but 911 was sure a convenient time-buyer for bushinc. The NORC results were due to be published in sept/01, and they showed that, even with mediawhore lies broadcast 24/7, bush lost the 2k election...thank god 911 happened! (the morning the NORC results were finally published. flight 587 conveniently fell apart on takeoff, killing near 300 people; the mediawhores quickly reassured the cud chewing fukkheads ie the people that it was just accident, not al ciada, lol.
The iraq war has bought bushinc more time, which is what bushinc needs...the usa is experiencing a coup, iow the overthrow of popular elected government. it will be replaced by a dictatorship of sorts, dressed up in the red white and blue...in fact, you can see it already
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Don't agree with Walt that he could have gotten his war if he'd told the truth though.

He had to lie because he couldn't get it any other way.

sad

peace

It's like the little story of the frog and scorpion. They can't operate any other way.

He said the same thing a few shows ago. I also think that if he(B*) had just been honest, I could have understood it alot better. I still would not have agreed to GO to war, but honesty goes a long way in my book.
Stupid stupid stupid.

disagree. The Iraq war and subsequent control of Iraq's oil was is the purpose of the * presidency. If I remember correctly Saddam was (figuratively) bending over back wards too accommodate *'s demands and every time Saddam met a condition * would create 3 more. Linking Saddam to 9/11 was the only way to sell this to war American people.